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The Asteroid Product X Files ... I want to believe

Day 47 HITT cardio 30 minutes
A lot of walking

Big meat feed at le-milsa .. did not go overboard took 2 AP even though I did not eat many carbs... Mkleen told me it was good for fat also.

More walking...

Today I may do some cardio probably HITT... this would normally be a high carb day but I am going to down grade it to a medium to curb any possible damage yesterday may have had. I'm probably ok. I have a Mexican feed on Sunday so I will save my big day for that day which is also a high carb day. I have to be very tight on Saturday and keep the carbs really low.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Day 47 HITT cardio 30 minutes
A lot of walking

Big meat feed at le-milsa .. did not go overboard took 2 AP even though I did not eat many carbs... Mkleen told me it was good for fat also.
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Yes Sir, Anabolic Pump shuts down the Glut-4 reaction in the fat cells to stop fat storage. The insulin release although minor from protien added to the glut-4 reaction to uptake nutrients into the muscle still creates an anabolic effect. It wont produce a "pump" like when used with carbs but it still does increase nutrient absorbsion and decrease fat storage.

On that note, I think this may be one of the reasons the fasted training protocal works so well for recomp. The use of BCAA's is known to cause an insulin release and from what I am learning the Anabolic Pump although using different methods of uptake stimulation than insulin does alone has a synergystic effect with insulin present. With the absence of blood sugar floating around to be used as fuel the presence of insulin is completely unlikely without the BCAA's but with them present you still get your insulin release, however not a spike and you have your anabolic pump which feeds the muscle like you took in some carbs now too. Now that is a revalation that just came to me but may be common knowledge / philosophy for others.

More walking...

DreamWeaver said:
I have a Mexican feed on Sunday so I will save my big day for that day which is also a high carb day.
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Isn't saying hi carb and mexican feed a bit redundant? Is there any other type of mecan feed than high carb? LOL Bring on the tortilla's and rice mate!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes Sir, Anabolic Pump shuts down the Glut-4 reaction in the fat cells to stop fat storage. The insulin release although minor from protien added to the glut-4 reaction to uptake nutrients into the muscle still creates an anabolic effect. It wont produce a "pump" like when used with carbs but it still does increase nutrient absorbsion and decrease fat storage.

On that note, I think this may be one of the reasons the fasted training protocal works so well for recomp. The use of BCAA's is known to cause an insulin release and from what I am learning the Anabolic Pump although using different methods of uptake stimulation than insulin does alone has a synergystic effect with insulin present. With the absence of blood sugar floating around to be used as fuel the presence of insulin is completely unlikely without the BCAA's but with them present you still get your insulin release, however not a spike and you have your anabolic pump which feeds the muscle like you took in some carbs now too. Now that is a revalation that just came to me but may be common knowledge / philosophy for others.
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I haven't been using BCAA"s with my fasted cardio but always felt pretty good .. as a matter of fact when I take AP morning fasted I feel some volumizing and thought that it must me something it's pulling from my bloodstream.. residual carbs or something. How much do you take in the way of BCAA's for fasted cardio?
 
Well I was using 6 scoops of Xtend but now I get plenty of luecine from the DominATP. And have been using some taurine and glutamine. I know the glutamine does not break bown as fast but it is very easily converted into glycogen so I assume it is also helping a little once converted. I did have amazing results from the Xtend to and am curious to see how it would work in conjunction with the current blend. Especially with the high concentration of CM in DATP the synergy must be off the chain. I went to glutamine to slow down the release of insulin on top of the fact it is cheaper. However the thought of the possible difference in anabolism may make me change back to Xtend at least during my bulk / recomp efforts.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Six scoops of Xtend that's what 21 grams BCAA's pre fasted cardio ?
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I think that sounds about right. I would have to go to the planet and look at the label for Xtend but I basically mixed it all up in one drink and started drinking it 15 min before the gym, and then as an intra throughout. Now I think if I did that I would do 2 DATP and 4 of Xtend.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I think that sounds about right. I would have to go to the planet and look at the label for Xtend but I basically mixed it all up in one drink and started drinking it 15 min before the gym, and then as an intra throughout. Now I think if I did that I would do 2 DATP and 4 of Xtend.
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You mean pre workout not pre cardio. I think that a smaller amount would be sufficient for fasted cardio.
 
DreamWeaver said:
You mean pre workout not pre cardio. I think that a smaller amount would be sufficient for fasted cardio.
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Depends on your type of cardio. HIIT would be the same amount in my opinion, turn it into an anabolic event. I am sure you have seen sprinters legs, that type of training builds muscle even if on a stair mill or eliptical or bike. YOu just have to treat it like a fasted workout. Now for low intensity steady state, glutamine 5-10 grams and thats it. Don't make it easy for the body to replace ATP or use an already broken down BCAA, when you want it to predominantly burn fat at that time. It is going to use the source of energy that is easiest to use in those conditions. Making ketones from fat to burn as energy is harder than using the BCAA's in that scenario so for SS cardio I wouldn't give it the BCAA's.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Depends on your type of cardio. HIIT would be the same amount in my opinion, turn it into an anabolic event. I am sure you have seen sprinters legs, that type of training builds muscle even if on a stair mill or eliptical or bike. YOu just have to treat it like a fasted workout. Now for low intensity steady state, glutamine 5-10 grams and thats it. Don't make it easy for the body to replace ATP or use an already broken down BCAA, when you want it to predominantly burn fat at that time. It is going to use the source of energy that is easiest to use in those conditions. Making ketones from fat to burn as energy is harder than using the BCAA's in that scenario so for SS cardio I wouldn't give it the BCAA's.
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I took 11 grams BCAA/EAA's and 2 scoops of Xtend which is 7 grams BCAA's I believe... so 18 grams BCAA/EAA's... for fasted HITT. I am an unlikely candidate for Catabolism at this stage so I think that should be pretty good..
 
Day 49
Fasted AP HITT 30 minutes + 20 minutes moderate Used 11 grams BCAA's/EAA's and 2 scoops of Xtend pre cardio

Hike to the Top of Mount Royal .. takes about 45 minutes from my house starts with about 25 minutes brisk walk then 20 minutes of uphill hell.. love this for overall fitness my legs were aching and was puffing very hard. The downhill walk home takes maybe 40 minutes and downhill is much easier but still takes some work. Thinking of doing this every Saturday it is awsome. The scenery is great and the old architecture is amazing, very pleasant in a tiring sort of way.
 
Day 50

Chest bombing workout 2

Bench 10X3 2-1-1 tempo up 10 lbs for the first 8 sets then shoulder was feeling funny so I went back down to what I was doing last week as I only got 2 reps on the ninth set, I have to err on the side of caution in cases like this. It's hard to hold back though.

Dips 4X6 4-1-1 tempo can't do weighted yet cuz on my shoulder, I tried Gironda and it was even worse.

Decline cable flies 3X10 ss Tower pushups till fail got 14-11-9 on the pushups. I was up 10 lbs a side on the flies.

Finished off with some heavy ab work...

All in all a very good workout.

Wednesday is going to be my last day on this run and will break till a week from Sunday, I need this one as the Freak tore me up pretty good. I will still do lots of cardio though. I will summarize the supps when I am done. There were some surprises for sure.
 
Day 51

Back
Extended arm pull down 3X8 3-2-1 tempo ss wide lat pulldown 3X8 4-1-1 tempo ss Weighted Lat shrugs 3X8
Not much to report here I was quite sluggish from a poor sleep the night before but all reps were done very succinctly and really was able to hammer the lat shrugs holding each contraction for 2 seconds.

Reverse grip BO rows 4 X 8 4-2-1 tempo done well but still felt sluggish and was happy to finish. I did get out of form a couple times a well which is uncharacteristic of me.

2 more days left on this cycle and I'm taking a much needed break. I slept very well last night so I should be much better tonight for shoulders and arms. I don't need to be too adventurous as remember all other body parts besides chest are on cruise. This will continue till the end of September.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Day 51

2 more days left on this cycle and I'm taking a much needed break. I slept very well last night so I should be much better tonight for shoulders and arms. I don't need to be too adventurous as remember all other body parts besides chest are on cruise. This will continue till the end of September.
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Hey I got an unsolicited :paranoid: idea for before and during your bridge. I remeber seeing a nice stash back in here somewhere if you have enough SuperCissusRx why dont you megadose it the entire week your off an continue that throughout your bridge take advantage of both the healing and anabolic power of it. Get that cissus pump on maybe even add in a decent amount of VAT Attack that way you are controlling cortisol in two ways. Set yourself up for some healing. YOu may also want to check out the HST Training after your week or so off. However if you did you would want to get your max for your exercises before taking the week off. Then take 10 days off which is perfect for the megadosing for healing of SuperCissus. I am loving the HST right now and I am growing now doubt about that.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Hey I got an unsolicited :paranoid: idea for before and during your bridge. I remeber seeing a nice stash back in here somewhere if you have enough SuperCissusRx why dont you megadose it the entire week your off an continue that throughout your bridge take advantage of both the healing and anabolic power of it. Get that cissus pump on maybe even add in a decent amount of VAT Attack that way you are controlling cortisol in two ways. Set yourself up for some healing. YOu may also want to check out the HST Training after your week or so off. However if you did you would want to get your max for your exercises before taking the week off. Then take 10 days off which is perfect for the megadosing for healing of SuperCissus. I am loving the HST right now and I am growing now doubt about that.
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Have got 4 orders of Bulk SuperCissus in my cart but it's currently out of stock. I just have reg cissus right now, but I could bump that up. I will contine with VAT attack while I am off too but will run out soon, that is tied up in that order as well.

Yah HST is on the way.. starting early October.

Oh how much SuperCissus for mega dose? Oh and how much reg cissus ?
 
DreamWeaver said:
Have got 4 orders of Bulk SuperCissus in my cart but it's currently out of stock. I just have reg cissus right now, but I could bump that up. I will contine with VAT attack while I am off too but will run out soon, that is tied up in that order as well.

Yah HST is on the way.. starting early October.

Oh how much SuperCissus for mega dose? Oh and how much reg cissus ?
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I would say 6-8 grams a day of the bulk SCRx, and maybe 8-10 on the 5% / regular Cissus.
 
Forgot to mention weigh in had me down 1 lbs this week. It concurs with what I am seeing in the mirror .. down to 237.5 considering I megadosing Prime this is pretty significant weight loss.
 
Day 53
Shoulders and arms

Seated Military 4X8 4-1-1 tempo ss Pec deck reverse flies 4X8 4-2-1 tempo done quite well. Didn't feel all that energetic at first but I was fine when I started lifting.

Decline Tri extensions 4X8 4-1-1 Tempo crushed these, I always have trouble with the last rep of the 4th set ... must just be in my head. The real trick is to remain in constant motion and keep your tempo, pausing means rest and that is not going to get it done on this particular exercise, I have a tendancy to want to take a break at the top of the motion.

Preacher curls 4X8 3-1-1 tempo wow this felt very light today.. it was because the tendon in my left arm was in much less pain. I added 10 lbs to my last set and did it no problem.

Boy I am ready for a break, I think my CNS has not recovered the way I hoped it would. I got through the 4 weeks ... just one workout left. The plan helped me to do that without falling apart. I am getting a lot of sharp pains all over and feeling quite run down. Nothing that a little rest won't cure. Funny that I feel beat up but when I get into the gym Prime allows me to continue to press myself.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Day 53
Shoulders and arms

Seated Military 4X8 4-1-1 tempo ss Pec deck reverse flies 4X8 4-2-1 tempo done quite well. Didn't feel all that energetic at first but I was fine when I started lifting.

Decline Tri extensions 4X8 4-1-1 Tempo crushed these, I always have trouble with the last rep of the 4th set ... must just be in my head. The real trick is to remain in constant motion and keep your tempo, pausing means rest and that is not going to get it done on this particular exercise, I have a tendancy to want to take a break at the top of the motion.

Preacher curls 4X8 3-1-1 tempo wow this felt very light today.. it was because the tendon in my left arm was in much less pain. I added 10 lbs to my last set and did it no problem.

Boy I am ready for a break, I think my CNS has not recovered the way I hoped it would. I got through the 4 weeks ... just one workout left. The plan helped me to do that without falling apart. I am getting a lot of sharp pains all over and feeling quite run down. Nothing that a little rest won't cure. Funny that I feel beat up but when I get into the gym Prime allows me to continue to press myself.
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Sounds like you had a great workout. Rest is on the way soldier!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Whoo Hoo!!

Yah but you know what will happen it won't be long before I'm itching to get back at it...
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And that my friend is known as... The Circle of Lift... er... uh I mean Life.
 
I have question for anyone who can answer me...I am using the Asteroid stack by usp labs and was wondering if its safe to stack with Mitotropin by gaspari?????
 
wolfe14 said:
I have question for anyone who can answer me...I am using the Asteroid stack by usp labs and was wondering if its safe to stack with Mitotropin by gaspari?????
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As long as Mitotropin is safe on it's own I can not imagine these herbal supplements that work with your body to cause any negative effects. However I can't attest to it, however there is nothing unsafe about the herbs in the Asteroid Stack.
 
wolfe14 said:
I have question for anyone who can answer me...I am using the Asteroid stack by usp labs and was wondering if its safe to stack with Mitotropin by gaspari?????
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sure, no worries..
have to put my .02 in tho and say you'd probably have better results with Recreate.. :D
 
Recreate huh?? yeah I've read about that..Is your opinion on recreate vs mitotropin infleunced by the fact that your a usp rep? How is it better? educate me
 
wolfe14 said:
Recreate huh?? yeah I've read about that..Is your opinion on recreate vs mitotropin infleunced by the fact that your a usp rep? How is it better? educate me
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I am not a rep..I am an athlete who puts the products to use!

educate you huh?

check it:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYB0I-flx1A"]YouTube - Recreate by USPLabs[/ame]
 
for me, it's quite simple.
one works..the other doesn't!

What's in Gaspari Nutrition Mitotropin?
30 Day Kit
Supplement Facts
Serving Size3Scored MitoTABS™
Servings Per Container60

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Vitamin E (From-D-Alpha Tocopherol) 5IU 33%

Mitotropin Uncoupling Complex™ 1275mg *
N-Acetyl L-Carnitine, Flax Seed Powder, Undaria Pinnatifida Extract (Standardized For 10% Fucoxanthin), Grape Seed Extract (Standardized For 50% Kaempherol), Capsicum Annum Extract (Standardized For 40% Capsiate), 3,3' Diiodo-L-Thyronine, 3,5-Diiodo-L-Thyronine.

Thermophoric Lypolytic Acceleration Blend™ 1774mg *
L-Tyrosine, Beta-Phenylethylamine, Green Tea Extract (Standardized For 50% Polyphenols & 30% Catechins) Caffeine Anhydrous USP, Green Coffee Bean Extract, Hordenine, Evodia Rutaecarpa Extract (Standardized For 10% Evodiamine), Synephrine, DL-Phenylalanine, Ginko Biloba Extract, Uncaria Rhynchophylla, Sinofranchetia Chinesis, Huperzine-A.

Free Radical Attenuation Matrix™ 158mg *
Turmeric (Curcuma Longa Root), Artichoke Extract (Standardized For 15% 3-0-Caffeoylquinic Acid), D-Alpha-Tocopherol, L-SE- Methylselenocysteine

* Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Cellulose, Croscarmellose Sodium, Stearic Acid, Silicon Dioxide, Magnesium Stearate, Titanium Dioxide, FD&C Yellow #10, FD&C Yellow #6, Talc.

Directions For Gaspari Nutrition Mitotropin:
Thermophoric Mitochondrial Uncoupling Agent:
As a dietary supplement, take 3 (three) scored MitoTABS� in the morning 30 minutes prior to your AM meal and another 3 (three) scored MitoTABS� 6-8 hours later. To avoid sleeplessness, avoid taking Mitotropin� later than mid to late afternoon. Do not exceed 6 MitoTABS� per day and 30 days of continuous use.
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What's in USPlabs Recreate?
90 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1Capsule
Servings Per Container90

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*

Recreate Blend 700mg*
WillPower (Pure Caralluma Fimbriata), SCModular (Engineered Extract From Coffea Arabica L), ThyriodFast (Engineered Extract From Olea Europaea), Caffeine, Forslean, Cir20x (2-(4-(Beta-D-Gluco-Pyranosyloxy)phenyl)-5-Hydroxy-6, 7-Dimethoxy-4H-1-Benzopyran-4-One Engineered Extract From Microtea Debilis)

* Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Gelatin, Cellulose

Directions For USPlabs Recreate: Take 2 capsules 30 minutes before breakfast or morning workout and 1 additional capsule in the afternoon (6-8 hours later) or before an afternoon workout. Do not exceed 4 capsules per day.
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snagency said:
for me, it's quite simple.
one works..the other doesn't!
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I have never used Mitotropin but like Recreate, but have a strange reaction to it. I have to low dose it and not run it past 6 or 7 weeks and it's managable.
 
Day 54 final day!!

Front squats 4X8 3-1-1 tempo
Kind of rough at first due to some flexibility issues, saved my best for last and pushed it through. I did do a lot of stretching beforehand and today my legs feel better than yesterday before I started. That's new..

Seated calves 4X8 4-2-1 tempo ss Standing calves 4X8 4-1-1 tempo these were quite painfull as usual but very strong.
 
Supp Review

Product X - this is going to be difficult to assess as the routine I was on was unfamiliar to me and it burned me out pretty good. Looking back I did have some incredible workouts all be it very, very strenuous ones. I did notice increased mass using Product X together with Prime. I think that mass gain is going to be the key component of this compound. Also there was some pretty serious aggression. Not the calm alpha male aggression I get from prime but the more primal version that is harder to controll. I do feel that this product needs more work or refinement.

Prime, well all the usual effects .. strength gain muscle hardness.. alpha male, endurance and recomp. Did I miss anything.

Recreate was hard to tell, I had to stay on low dose but past experience tells me that it was a contributor. Recomp was good.

AP - Damn I love this stuff!! I can feel it working even during fasted cardio. It allows me to eat more carbs and stay anabolic while I lose fat.

Pslin - I am not as responsive to as I am AP but when I added to my preworkout with DominATP and carbs I was quite impressed with the lift it gave me. Preworkout is the time for Pslin for me. I may use it exclusively at this time and use double AP for larger meals on high carb days instead of Pslin.

Vat Attack, I almost forgot about this supp for the first few weeks, then I noticed my waist getting ucharacteristically smaller. I can deffinitely say that this is due to fat loss under the muscle. I had not ancticpated this effect, frankly I wasn't sure what to expect. I am definitely getting more...

Eviscerate worked fairly well for me, I did notice some reduction in target areas. It worked much better for my trainee, where is seemed quite magical for her. I will use this again as pocket areas are always a problem. This stuff burns pretty good.

Hope I didn't forget anything. I started at 240 and an now around 237 but bigger. I am at a place where fat loss and muscle gain is more slow and without the supps probably would not be noticable over an 8 week period. That is not the case here.

What's next, well I plan on continuing my recomp after my break and will bridge with DTHC and am keeping the AP (indefinitely) and pslin preworkout. I am ordering more Vat Attack and Eviscerate and looking forward to O-E-P.
 
I echo Snags sentiment! Great log, and review of the products. Take it easy for a bit and heal up those battle wounds for the next run.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I echo Snags sentiment! Great log, and review of the products. Take it easy for a bit and heal up those battle wounds for the next run.
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yah I want my fire back and plan on lots of stretching .. have already doubled my cissus intake. I am hoping super cissus bulk is in soon.
 
DreamWeaver said:
yah I want my fire back and plan on lots of stretching .. have already doubled my cissus intake. I am hoping super cissus bulk is in soon.
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You and me both, I really need some now that the weights are becoming more challenging.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Well there's Banaba but your Prime response certainly makes up for lack in other products.
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Banaba extract is half of the ingredients that make up both AP, and P-Slin. Unfortunately if he is not responding to those I don't think it would help.

Volcom, do you just not get a pump from AP or do you not see any recomp effects from it? The recomp should still be there due to the fat storage being shut down even if you aren't getting the super pump. Just a thought. Another question, the P-Slin you took was it boxed PSlin in a pill or bulk P-Slin, because the pill form has Gymnema Sylvestre in it as well and that is another strong insulin mimicker, but it is not in the bulk PSlin.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Volcom, do you just not get a pump from AP or do you not see any recomp effects from it? The recomp should still be there due to the fat storage being shut down even if you aren't getting the super pump. Just a thought. Another question, the P-Slin you took was it boxed PSlin in a pill or bulk P-Slin, because the pill form has Gymnema Sylvestre in it as well and that is another strong insulin mimicker, but it is not in the bulk PSlin.
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I've used AP on multiple, multiple occasions, simply because I have a slight comprehension of what it should do and the effects seemed too good to pass up. However, I did not experience any notable effects, apart from perhaps some psychological relief from eating a handful of carbs. It's hard to measure just how effective AP's recomp effect was, because I've only used it on SEVERE cuts, where weight loss is inevitable. I recall Mullet saying that AP may take a long time for the effects to really seal itself in the system, so I would run about 3-4 bottles straight at a time on good faith. I can't say for certain what AP did or didn't do. I trusted that it did aid me in my efforts, but again, not to any palpable extent.

I took Pslin in a box and it was the same issue. No pump, no real recomp effect. I've taken the AP/Pslin combo on a heavy bulk and a mean arse cut and the weight loss from my cut was the only time I had notable effects.

Again, I don't doubt either of these products, but neither provided an palpable experiences or results.

However, as unreal as my lack of response is to AP & Pslin, my response to PRIME is just as unreal, but in a very positive sense.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I've used AP on multiple, multiple occasions, simply because I have a slight comprehension of what it should do and the effects seemed too good to pass up. However, I did not experience any notable effects, apart from perhaps some psychological relief from eating a handful of carbs. It's hard to measure just how effective AP's recomp effect was, because I've only used it on SEVERE cuts, where weight loss is inevitable. I recall Mullet saying that AP may take a long time for the effects to really seal itself in the system, so I would run about 3-4 bottles straight at a time on good faith. I can't say for certain what AP did or didn't do. I trusted that it did aid me in my efforts, but again, not to any palpable extent.

I took Pslin in a box and it was the same issue. No pump, no real recomp effect. I've taken the AP/Pslin combo on a heavy bulk and a mean arse cut and the weight loss from my cut was the only time I had notable effects.

Again, I don't doubt either of these products, but neither provided an palpable experiences or results.

However, as unreal as my lack of response is to AP & Pslin, my response to PRIME is just as unreal, but in a very positive sense.
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Well that sounds like it evens it out a bit. I was just hoping maybe you maybe had only used the bulk PSlin so maybe you would have another option in the Gymnema. Do any other mimickers work for you? Vanadium has a pretty strong effect on me but some times it can cause me to crash if I have any simple sugars with it.
 
I noticed some effect from AP early but it got stronger and is very steady now. I am eating more carbs and still losing fat so the recomp seems to be good. Pslin was not so effective at first, then became modeately effective. Then more effective with the pre-workout ****tail.

My first day off and I was feeling pretty good did 30 minutes of HITT cardio and 15 minutes moderate. Felt good ..legs feel good. Hamstrings are still a little tight, have to do some more stretching.

Using slow reps did help my elbow tendons heal some ...wrist feels a bit better and shoulder too. Hope this rest has more recovery in store. When I go back I will be doing something similar so I should be good for October when HST starts.
 
Something I was thinking about, putting it out there for you guys to weigh in.

Eviscerate did work moderately well for me at first but looking back it seemed to taper off and now I seem to be still carrying a lot of fat around my chest. Now I saw fat burn around my waist bit not where I was applying the Eviscerate. Then it hit me.. all be it to late.. I think that the burning of surface fat was superceded by the burning of VAT. Meaning I was burning so much VAT that there was very little availability for my body to burn off the fat from other area's. The longer I took VAT Attack the more this seemed to be occurring. I think it may be wise not to run these 2 togetter .. disucss...
 
Just a little update..

I am doing plenty of cardio Saturday 30 minutes AP fasted hit followed but 15 mintues moderate ditto for Sunday then I went up the Mountain but this time I kicked it's azz...!!

34 minutes!! I did not think this possible and I felt great!! Ran up the steps at the top where the building stands at the top of the mountain feeling like Rocky in Rocky 1. I live for these moments. So I plan on 4 more 45 minute sessions this week day off Friday then fasted 45 minutes on Saturday.... back to the weights Sunday... I estimate I am down another pound lets say 236 till I get back and weigh in at the gym.
 
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