I take four caps of x-gels everyday and I'm not feeling this soreness or inflammation everybody talks about. On top of that I'm doing Smolov squats so I thought it would be extremely intense, but I feel fine. Should I up the dose?
Not everyone gets them, I don't.I take four caps of x-gels everyday and I'm not feeling this soreness or inflammation everybody talks about. On top of that I'm doing Smolov squats so I thought it would be extremely intense, but I feel fine. Should I up the dose?
Ahhh I am using Alcar! Is that messing with the chemistry?Not everyone gets them, I don't. A lot of ARA users seem to have found a sweet spot at 6 cap dosing. Are you using GMS and a carnitine?
You could jump on the Athletix insider sale for Ergonine and get glycerol and LCLT (and some other great ingredients too)Ahhh I am using Alcar! Is that messing with the chemistry?
You could jump on the Athletix insider sale for Ergonine and get glycerol and LCLT (and some other great ingredients too) ALCAR is good too, but LCLT has been known to increase androgen receptor sensitivity. That's a good thing in this case. Congrats on the no DOMS on ARA, I wish I were that lucky!
Ergonine should help alleviate the muscle soreness a bit.You could jump on the Athletix insider sale for Ergonine and get glycerol and LCLT (and some other great ingredients too) ALCAR is good too, but LCLT has been known to increase androgen receptor sensitivity. That's a good thing in this case. Congrats on the no DOMS on ARA, I wish I were that lucky!
We shall see...1.5g of X-Factor Advanced is going to make itself known no matter what. I'll compare this week to last week, as I'm now 4 days in to E9 today.Ergonine should help alleviate the muscle soreness a bit.
Pre workout with the ARA, or even intra if it is a long sessionIs the dosing timing of GMS & LCLT critical? For example, if I'm taking 3-5g of GMS and 2-3 g of LCLT should I does it all pre & post workout?
Thanks. I'm doing 1.5 LCLT each pre & intra right now. But spacing out the gms a little more to avoid GI issues. Should I still dose the gms & LCLT on rest days when I'm not taking ArA?Pre workout with the ARA, or even intra if it is a long session
Not really needed on off days although LCLT can be handy for recovery if you didn't mind using it dailyThanks. I'm doing 1.5 LCLT each pre & intra right now. But spacing out the gms a little more to avoid GI issues. Should I still dose the gms & LCLT on rest days when I'm not taking ArA?
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This is actually something we spent a lot of time testing in house to assure we perfected before release. The Choline is added for one purpose only -- its necessary presence with LCLT. In our opinions there needs to be choline present when taking LCLT. There does not need to be a large dose as in cognitive formulas that give the GI issues though. The goal with HydroMax is just enough to provide everyday fullness. No one is going to get a High Volume-like pump from Ergonine. But we felt that the amount used was perfect for daily use, especially since the fullness with glycerol seems to get better with time. Its purpose in the formula is mostly aesthetic, because we all love the full muscle feeling.I'm about to nitpick, not that I don't think it's a good product, I ordered one of each flavor during the intro sale.
I plan to use it for simplicity sake to cut down the amount of single ingredients I'm mixing together in my morning cocktail.
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Anyway, I can't mentally reconcile the 1100mg PerformaLean blend.
I really dislike doing mental gymnastics over partial doses of ingredients in multiple products.
Is the choline dosed low to avoid GI issues in combination with the betaine?
Is half a gram of choline or hydromax really going to do much to even be worth including?
That said, at $1/day, obviously can't really complain too much, and the product is worth it even discounting the inclusion of those ingredients entirely.
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The choline dose is actually higher than the lowest studied dose that was found to reduce urinary output of carnitine. The purpose of choline in the formula is to enhance total body carnitine stores, and there are some 15 studies demonstrating this effect, with doses ranging from 450mg to several grams daily.I'm about to nitpick, not that I don't think it's a good product, I ordered one of each flavor during the intro sale.
I plan to use it for simplicity sake to cut down the amount of single ingredients I'm mixing together in my morning cocktail.
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Anyway, I can't mentally reconcile the 1100mg PerformaLean blend.
I really dislike doing mental gymnastics over partial doses of ingredients in multiple products.
Is the choline dosed low to avoid GI issues in combination with the betaine?
Is half a gram of choline or hydromax really going to do much to even be worth including?
That said, at $1/day, obviously can't really complain too much, and the product is worth it even discounting the inclusion of those ingredients entirely.
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InterestingThe choline dose is actually higher than the lowest studied dose that was found to reduce urinary output of carnitine. The purpose of choline in the formula is to enhance total body carnitine stores, and there are some 15 studies demonstrating this effect, with doses ranging from 450mg to several grams daily.
Hydromax's purpose is actually to balance osmolality in this case. The formula is loaded with intracellular osmolytes which can lead to symptoms of dehydration (hence the whole "drink water with your creatine"), and glycerol serves as a plasma osmolyte to allow for improved water balance and less compartmental shifts.
Ferulic acid is dosed based on the human trials (2) that exist on it
Were you spying on me last night??I love stacking betaine anhydrous with creatine monohydrate and ARA. Fat cell membrane stretching capabilities! Do not take Agmatine with that combination!!!! It will cause you to get so pumped your muscles will be in excruciating pain in between sets! YOU WILL SPEND ALL 3 MINUTES BETWEEN SETS WIGGLING ON THE BENCH IN PAIN. It feel like how your abs feel after a gang of crunches, except the burn doesn't go away in 5 seconds. It takes 3 minutes to go away!
mother of god 0_0I love stacking betaine anhydrous with creatine monohydrate and ARA. Fat cell membrane stretching capabilities! Do not take Agmatine with that combination!!!! It will cause you to get so pumped your muscles will be in excruciating pain in between sets! YOU WILL SPEND ALL 3 MINUTES BETWEEN SETS WIGGLING ON THE BENCH IN PAIN. It feel like how your abs feel after a gang of crunches, except the burn doesn't go away in 5 seconds. It takes 3 minutes to go away!
lost itI love stacking betaine anhydrous with creatine monohydrate and ARA. Fat cell membrane stretching capabilities! Do not take Agmatine with that combination!!!! It will cause you to get so pumped your muscles will be in excruciating pain in between sets! YOU WILL SPEND ALL 3 MINUTES BETWEEN SETS WIGGLING ON THE BENCH IN PAIN. It feel like how your abs feel after a gang of crunches, except the burn doesn't go away in 5 seconds. It takes 3 minutes to go away!
study?I must admit, this is getting well beyond me. The study does shed some light that perhaps displacement may be favourable. In all honesty, I have no idea.
yea 2 hours would be ideal IMOSame here, I usually eat right around 1 hour before I dose my XF. 90-120 min is perhaps even more ideal but I haven't noticed a ton of difference personally when taking w food, fasted, or in between.
He was referring to this post I believe.study? Maybe I missed sonething
Here is one coming straight from Will L. from 2013: I just want to take a moment to specifically address the notion that Arachidonic Acid (ArA) should be taken alone, without fish oil, for maximum anabolic effect. While this may be true for some individuals, we at Molecular Nutrition have found through years of trial and error that fish oil can augment the anabolic effects of ArA in many individuals. This is why we added Omega-3 EFA's to X-Factor Advanced. A recent study may help explain why there may be such synergy. The study in question examined the metabolic effects of fish oil supplementation in young men. As part of this, the researchers measured prostaglandin (PG) levels. As you may know, PGF2-alpha is a prostaglandin produced from arachidonic acid, and is the PG primarily related to protein synthesis and muscle growth. It is what we're looking for more of when taking ArA. The researchers must have expected a reduction in PGF2-alpha after fish oil, given its known competitive nature with ArA. However, the opposite occurred. Fish oil resulted in a substantial increase in PGF2-alpha. What is probably going on is that the omega-3 EFA's in fish oil are displacing membrane-bound ArA, causing it to enter circulation where it is available for PG synthesis. So instead of being counterproductive, taking fish oil alongside ArA may actually cause you to have a greater increase in the serum level of muscle-building prostaglandins. Whatever the exact mechanism, we are not noticing the inhibition everyone expected. It probably isn't this way for everyone, or at least I speculate. I'd imagine those that have already been taking high doses of fish oil might have already done a good job of lowering membrane-bound ARA. I would say this type of user should probably run ArA alone. Otherwise, taking some fish oil might help you get more out of your next run of ArA.
Reference: Metabolism, 2013 Mar 20. pii: S0026-0495(13)00051-6. doi: 10.1016/j.metabol.2013.02.004.
[Epub ahead of print] Fish oil supplementation alters circulating eicosanoid concentrations in young healthy men.
Yes it's his opinion, but he does have his reasoning behind it and does address some of the caveats possible with continuing fish oil with ArA supplementation for some individuals. I'm sure he has much more thoughts and references for his opinions but again, best to ask him directly. I'm just sharing info here. Additional things to think about: What if you are one of those that falls into the demographic in which fish oil supplementation actually will increase your inflammation response? Now what would be the optimal dosing procedure for such an individual? How does one even tell which kind of dosing would be best with them? Just a reminder that there are variables at play in real world practice which are not evident when looking at things in isolated scenarios. Personally, and this is ENTIRELY PERSONAL ANECDOTE (which I've mentioned probably on AM a time or two and a few times over on the other board), so THIS IS NOT A CLAIM, but I found DOMS usually kicks in quicker and stronger when I've used XFA. That's just an n=1 experience, but that is what I have personally observed through multiple ArA cycles.
EhhI cannot recall- what was the consensus on stacking laxo and ara? Dose as far apart as possible, like with joint supps / fish oil?
Yup!
ArA on a deficit is underrated.Had a huge improvement using 6 caps XF OG, 2 scoops Glycergrow, and around 2.1g ALCAR preworkout on a deficit.
what would you suggest if your taking ARA and transtioning ino a cutting phase? Keep calories more or less at maintenance?ArA on a deficit is underrated.
I don't think supplementing with ArA should dictate your diet at all. Do as your normally would.what would you suggest if your taking ARA and transtioning ino a cutting phase? Keep calories more or less at maintenance?
Ara will not help you cut more. The diet will do that... If you want to cut, you have to remove calorieswhat would you suggest if your taking ARA and transtioning ino a cutting phase? Keep calories more or less at maintenance?
yes makes sense and that was my plan all along. My question was in response to aaronuconn who wrote "ArA on a deficit is underrated"... When I first saw his post it was on my cell and thought he wrote overrated. My bad.Ara will not help you cut more. The diet will do that... If you want to cut, you have to remove calories
Really you shouldn't get back pumps from ARA to begin with, have lots of water and electrolytes.Can taurine be used to alleviate back pumps from ARA the same as on an AAS/DS cycle?
Taurine yes...although part of the pumps are due to its cell-hydrating mechanism. I think making sure your sodium levels and other elctrolytes are in balance will alleviate most of the painful pumps people aren't TRYING to achieve with certain products.Can taurine be used to alleviate back pumps from ARA the same as on an AAS/DS cycle?
Go for it... I would dose 4+ hours away though.Laxo?
That's the way to go. Can't say ive heard of back pumps with Ara thoughThanks guys! It's just on lower body days so I think I'll buy a cheap bottle at a local supp store and call it a day!
Well, I just meant that most people only think to use it when in a caloric surplus, but it does a great job of preserving lean body mass during a cut.yes makes sense and that was my plan all along. My question was in response to aaronuconn who wrote "ArA on a deficit is underrated"... When I first saw his post it was on my cell and thought he wrote overrated. My bad.
It sure does. Love it in a cutWell, I just meant that most people only think to use it when in a caloric surplus, but it does a great job of preserving lean body mass during a cut.
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