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The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

TheIronAsylum said:
this is interesting debating trying this out however i usually have a meal before lifitng bananas and protein powder and then take a preworkout right before i leave for the gym

how does this work added with preworkouts

currently reading thread.... are there any negative side effects?
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I always have a meal before I lift bananas and protein powder jugs. They get heavy, depending on how much protein I have left in the and how many bananas are in the bunch. Anyway, just wait until after your warm up sets. Take the Ara with you and take it after you finish warming up. I see no reason not to take it with a pre-workout, but of course you'd still wait and take it later after your warm up sets in the gym. As far as negatives it does cause increased DOMS and sometimes joint pain in a lot of people. Then again some people don't get that and they still love it!.
 
T-Bone said:
I always have a meal before I lift bananas and protein powder jugs. They get heavy, depending on how much protein I have left in the and how many bananas are in the bunch. Anyway, just wait until after your warm up sets. Take the Ara with you and take it after you finish warming up. I see no reason not to take it with a pre-workout, but of course you'd still wait and take it later after your warm up sets in the gym. As far as negatives it does cause increased DOMS and sometimes joint pain in a lot of people. Then again some people don't get that and they still love it!.
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0987654321 said:
Can I drink juices/soda to take all ArA, GMS, and LCLT? Or is that not considered fasted?
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That would not be considered fasted. Plus you should try and remove those from your diet anyway. I guess diet coke would be ok though or calorie free drinks.
 
Oh Oops. Was doing that for a few days too...couldn't stand GMS without something flavoured

Do I not receive the benefitd of ArA if I do this?
 
0987654321 said:
What happens if it does get absorbed into fat tissue?
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It gets wasted :D

But exercise is a great stimulus for shuttling nutrients to working muscles so you are likely fine. Don't sweat it :)
 
Jiigzz said:
It gets wasted :D

But exercise is a great stimulus for shuttling nutrients to working muscles so you are likely fine. Don't sweat it :)
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I mix up some protein sludge before working out and spread it on my muscles. By the time I'm done working out it's "shuttled" directly to my muscles bro. Super anabolic.
 
T-Bone said:
I mix up some protein sludge before working out and spread it on my muscles. By the time I'm done working out it's "shuttled" directly to my muscles bro. Super anabolic.
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You do this too? I thought I was the only one
 
0987654321 said:
What happens if it does get absorbed into fat tissue?
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ArA has an extremely high affinity for muscle tissue. For years people took XF with meals and still saw the incredible gains.
 
SwolenONE said:
ArA has an extremely high affinity for muscle tissue. For years people took XF with meals and still saw the incredible gains.
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When people took it with meals (baylor study), there were no gains. In the recent study with preworkout dosing, there were impressive gains. You do the math. Science > placebo
 
Really sorry I cannot find the reply to a question of mine. How long after the 50 workouts do u have to wait before going back on? Someone said 30 days.. But if it stays in muscle tissue for up to two weeks after stopping, is that really enough time? Thanks

The reason I ask is bc, well, I'm at the two week mark of 1.5g 3 x a week.... My muscles are rock hard, full, bigger. Finally seeing my shoulders and bi's grow... I cannot imagine what I will be like in December when this first run ends. I will be upping to 4 days a week as well soon. i am HOOKED. considering these results, I want to do the minimum off time and jump back on. This is my new favorite...
 
Personally, I don't really ever stop taking ArA;) But, it's not going to make all that much of a difference in terms of precision with how long you take it, and how long of a break you take.

If you take it a couple weeks long or take a bit shorter or longer of a break, it's fine.
 
De__eB said:
Personally, I don't really ever stop taking ArA;) But, it's not going to make all that much of a difference in terms of precision with how long you take it, and how long of a break you take.

If you take it a couple weeks long or take a bit shorter or longer of a break, it's fine.
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Loll alright well for th sake of continuity ill probably stick to 12 weeks on/4 off which usually totals 50-60 workouts for me over 12 week span
 
Is lohdra necessary for an effective ara run?


mr.cooper69 said:
Lodhra Bark Extract
Aka
Symplocos Racemosa Extract



Complementary Effects with Arachidonic Acid (ArA)

ArA has three primary metabolites: prostaglandins (associated with muscle accretion and vasodilation), thromboxanes (associated with blood clotting; inhibited by carnitines or aspirin), and leukotrienes (associated with constriction of smooth muscle, such as bronchoconstriction). The latter two effects are typically considered unfavorable.
Lodhra Bark is a lipoxygenase inhibitor, preventing the conversion of ArA to leukotrienes. This leaves more ArA available to be converted to prostaglandins or thromboxanes, the latter of which can be inhibited by methods stated above.

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chedapalooza said:
Is lohdra necessary for an effective ara run?
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Nothing is necessary to run with ArA to make it effective. It is beneficial, yes. Same with GMS and a Carnitine salt.

I'm going to play around with PA + ArA + AnaBeta Elite.
 
chedapalooza said:
Is lohdra necessary for an effective ara run?
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Necessary? Certainly not.

Possibly helpful? I guess...

Bit of a stretch though I think, at least based on that data.

-LOX inhibition does not necessarily lead to higher prostaglandin synthesis. Many LOX inhibitors exhibit dual action and also inhibit COX, some others have no affect on COX at all. So having 'more arachidonic acid' for metabolism via COX doesn't necessarily actually lead to anything happening.
-How prominent of a constituent is it? Is it there in a high enough quantity to do anything?
-It's an ethanolic glycoside, is the extract PES is using the same as the one from that study? It may or may not even be present depending on extraction method

Without more data, I feel like there's way too many questions on the table
 
kbayne said:
Nothing is necessary to run with ArA to make it effective. It is beneficial, yes. Same with GMS and a Carnitine salt.

I'm going to play around with PA + ArA + AnaBeta Elite.
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De__eB said:
Necessary? Certainly not.

Possibly helpful? I guess...

Bit of a stretch though I think, at least based on that data.

-LOX inhibition does not necessarily lead to higher prostaglandin synthesis. Many LOX inhibitors exhibit dual action and also inhibit COX, some others have no affect on COX at all. So having 'more arachidonic acid' for metabolism via COX doesn't necessarily actually lead to anything happening.
-How prominent of a constituent is it? Is it there in a high enough quantity to do anything?
-It's an ethanolic glycoside, is the extract PES is using the same as the one from that study? It may or may not even be present depending on extraction method

Without more data, I feel like there's way too many questions on the table
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Great posts, thanks. The only two products I know of that have / had lohdra are ABE and the original c20. I am using the original c20 bc I have two bottles left.(new one has it too and would consider trying it for the lohdra) You make a great point though with the extracts being the same. Thanks.
 
Just curious, I know people seem to experience more intense DOMS and general sorness with ArA but I was wondering if anyone has had joint pain as well. I got hit by a car 3 years ago which resulted in a dislocated elbow, fractured forearm, and broken collarbone and as I am on week 6 of my ArA run, the joint pain in that elbow and shoulder has gotten quite severe. I am trying to figure out if it could be due to the ArA or if it is coincidental.
 
bfal215 said:
Just curious, I know people seem to experience more intense DOMS and general sorness with ArA but I was wondering if anyone has had joint pain as well. I got hit by a car 3 years ago which resulted in a dislocated elbow, fractured forearm, and broken collarbone and as I am on week 6 of my ArA run, the joint pain in that elbow and shoulder has gotten quite severe. I am trying to figure out if it could be due to the ArA or if it is coincidental.
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ArA can cause joint pain, yes.
 
Thanks for the quick reply, I'm guessing it's a combination of the ArA as well as the powerlifting program I started a few weeks back.
 
bfal215 said:
Thanks for the quick reply, I'm guessing it's a combination of the ArA as well as the powerlifting program I started a few weeks back.
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Try adding in boswellia, or trying X-Factor Advanced next time if you find yourself prone to joint pain w ArA.
 
I'm on week 3 and have had zero joint issues. In fact, dare I say my "condition" has improved. I've had chronic low back and hip/psoas muscle strains and inflammation and it's honestly improved.

Is it possible that NOT ENOUGH ara in my system could have been causing said issues?
 
chedapalooza said:
I'm on week 3 and have had zero joint issues. In fact, dare I say my "condition" has improved. I've had chronic low back and hip/psoas muscle strains and inflammation and it's honestly improved. Is it possible that NOT ENOUGH ara in my system could have been causing said issues?
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If you had a lack of inflammation to allow cellular repair prior , possibly

Also while running ARA people end up using less antioxidants, which is better IMO. People have been fine with just dietary intake, the supplementation with antioxidants is excessive these days. There is a such thing as too much, especially with things like vitamin E, which everything from eggs to milk is fortified with now on top of our standard diet and supplements.

Sorry, rant

Answer = i think it is possible
 
Inflammation is part of the bodies natural healing process.
 
I still say the best thing to stack with ArA that is natural is Anabeta.

I'm gonna stack it with anabeta and formabolic during the summer when I'm fresh off a cut to keep water retention low but stay full.
 
R1balla said:
I still say the best thing to stack with ArA that is natural is Anabeta.

I'm gonna stack it with anabeta and formabolic during the summer when I'm fresh off a cut to keep water retention low but stay full.
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Anabeta is definitely the most popular stacker with X-Factor at the moment.
 
I got a bottle today from the planet. Interestingly, the directions changed from the last time I used it (about 6 years ago):

Take up to 6 servings daily, 45 minutes prior to resistance training. Take for 8 weeks, and then wait 8 weeks before repeating.

Yes, I am aware of the recommended protocol in this thread
 
It is X-Factor. The results of the study are mentioned on the other side of the bottle but not the dosing protocol of the study :)
 
Quick question before I have to go to bed in 20 minutes. I'm stacking ArA with original Anabeta. What's best bang for the buck - new version X-gels or X-factor Advanced? PM if you know best prices. My internet will be out tomorrow for cable upgrade and I need to order tonight (can't use 4G on my phone either my data plan went over and I shut off mobile data, I'm a mess I know)
 
Driven2lift said:
If you had a lack of inflammation to allow cellular repair prior , possibly

Also while running ARA people end up using less antioxidants, which is better IMO. People have been fine with just dietary intake, the supplementation with antioxidants is excessive these days. There is a such thing as too much, especially with things like vitamin E, which everything from eggs to milk is fortified with now on top of our standard diet and supplements.

Sorry, rant

Answer = i think it is possible
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A good diet will have you balanced in most things, but how many people truly have a well structured diet?
 
derekantos said:
Quick question before I have to go to bed in 20 minutes. I'm stacking ArA with original Anabeta. What's best bang for the buck - new version X-gels or X-factor Advanced? PM if you know best prices. My internet will be out tomorrow for cable upgrade and I need to order tonight (can't use 4G on my phone either my data plan went over and I shut off mobile data, I'm a mess I know)
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X-Gels or OG X-Factor (not advanced).
 
My wife has a stress fracture in her foot from running too much; it's been about 6 weeks now since she's been staying off it. Anyone think ArA could aggravate it?
 
I'd give it a little time, it certainly could with only being 6 weeks since having to stay off her feet all together. Also, if she is a runner, I would suggest a lower dosed protocol of ArA (1-2 pills of X-Factor for ergogenic benefit) than I would recommend for a strength athlete.
 
Well, when I said staying off of it, I meant she wasn't running. She's still doing squats and deadlifts. But she has to run to stay in shape for the army physical fitness test, but also weight trains, heavy weight. Still recommend only 1 to 2 pills a day though, correct?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Well, when I said staying off of it, I meant she wasn't running. She's still doing squats and deadlifts. But she has to run to stay in shape for the army physical fitness test, but also weight trains, heavy weight. Still recommend only 1 to 2 pills a day though, correct?
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Should be fine if shes already training again.
 
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