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The Anabolic Minds Supplement Roundtable

De__eB said:
You'll notice their conclusion and abstract mention promoting increase of muscle mass but nowhere in actual content of the study do they measure or mention anything to do with lean mass :p

For joints, definitely, for lean mass/anabolism? I remain skeptical.
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Do the calculations with BF% changes and arrive at the LBM change. The authors are blatantly lying, it's somewhat comical.

Cissus may work for weight reduction secondary to an increase in plasma 5HT and thus less food consumed. This explains its "synergy" with african mango, which works via a similar mechanism, this time manipulating leptin.

Cissus has outstanding anti-inflammatory and osteogenic data though, which is the main reason it should be used.
 
T-Bone said:
How long should I wait after working out to take my Cissus?. Does it matter if it is empty stomach or not?.
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On an empty stomach it has been known to cause nausea or stomachal discomfort. I recommend it with meals due to having had said side effects myself, and i would recommend to keep it away 4 hours from any peri workout time frame, and some time away from bed time. For some reason some of my friends do get a little bit of falling asleep issues, though this might be placebo, when taken late at night.

The idea for keeping it away form the workout is due to the inflammatory response from resistance weight training, which can be hindered a little bit thanks to Cissus. Though I consider ir it a must have for cartilage and joint health.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Do the calculations with BF% changes and arrive at the LBM change. The authors are blatantly lying, it's somewhat comical.

Cissus may work for weight reduction secondary to an increase in plasma 5HT and thus less food consumed. This explains its "synergy" with african mango, which works via a similar mechanism, this time manipulating leptin.

Cissus has outstanding anti-inflammatory and osteogenic data though, which is the main reason it should be used.
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Synergy w berberine to on the 5ht
 
Matthersby said:
Insulin-like properties? Antioxidant properties?
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mw1 said:
Damn - I've never had heartburn from ALA even though I'm generally VERY prone to heartburn/acid reflux
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I had the heartburn at around 600mg and above. I was curious though, this is aimed towards the people with extensive knowledge... I been reading Ala Is useless and I should get the R isomer or N.

So my question is plain Ala worthless or?
 
Alasel said:
I had the heartburn at around 600mg and above. I was curious though, this is aimed towards the people with extensive knowledge... I been reading Ala Is useless and I should get the R isomer or N. So my question is plain Ala worthless or?
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@EBFinc can elaborate better than I can but that's not entirely true. It's all from the same source, just bonded to make more stable (more bang per mg) but it comes at a price.

I tried my pre with 200mg R-ALA and it seemed to work just as well as the 900mg of regular ALA

But regular ALA is dirt cheap, like 1 kilo for $90, that's about a 3 months dosing at 9-10gr/day.
 
BlackWinging said:
Whats a good dose for potassium nitrate? I found some bulk powder for cheap and I'm thinking of trying it out.
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You want to shoot for about 300-350mg of actual nitrates which for Pot nitrate would be roughly 700mgs. I personally use 4 caps of Iforce po5asium nitrate and one scoop of Powershock
 
Beau said:
For me, I try to be conservative - I keep my doses between 750mg and 1 gr.
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mw1 said:
You want to shoot for about 300-350mg of actual nitrates which for Pot nitrate would be roughly 700mgs. I personally use 4 caps of Iforce po5asium nitrate and one scoop of Powershock
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Alright, so around 700mg is a good dose. How does it compare to 8 grams of citrulline malate?
 
BlackWinging said:
Alright, so around 700mg is a good dose. How does it compare to 8 grams of citrulline malate?
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Here is what I am currently taking, in case it helps:

Ingredient Grams
Citrulline 6.67
Agmatine 1.0
Potassium Nitrate 0.866666667
NAC 0.5
Ascorbic Acid 0.5


YMMV
 
Any benefit to taking more than 1 gram of agmatine a day?. I've read some posts of people taking up to 4 grams a day. Is there any benefit or is it just a waste after a certain amount?
 
T-Bone said:
Any benefit to taking more than 1 gram of agmatine a day?. I've read some posts of people taking up to 4 grams a day. Is there any benefit or is it just a waste after a certain amount?
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My sweet spot for Agmatine has always been 1.5g when just using bulk powder, i seem to get increased pumps up to 1500mg then nothing more after that. For some reason i seem to get headaches with anything above 2 grams.
 
Adizzle1 said:
My sweet spot for Agmatine has always been 1.5g when just using bulk powder, i seem to get increased pumps up to 1500mg then nothing more after that. For some reason i seem to get headaches with anything above 2 grams.
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I don't run it for the pumps. I rarely get any pumps from any product anyway. What I like about agmatine is that it helps put me in a better mood and helps me relax. Not really something that helps much pre-workout. I'm still wondering if going above 1 gram a day has any increased benefits. I'm talking about total dosage, and not just at one time. Spread out throughout the day. Say 1 gram post workout, one gram 5-6 hours later, and one gram before bed.
 
Here's an interesting question in regards to powdered mixed supplements. How can you be sure you are getting the amounts listed on the bottle with each scoop. Say a product says it has 250 mg of L-dopa, and various milligram amounts of say 7 other supplement powders. Even if you shake up the bottle, how can you be sure you are getting the specific amount per serving or scoop. I know nothing of the manufacture of supplements and this confuses me. Someone care to explain how this works?.
 
T-Bone said:
Here's an interesting question in regards to powdered mixed supplements. How can you be sure you are getting the amounts listed on the bottle with each scoop. Say a product says it has 250 mg of L-dopa, and various milligram amounts of say 7 other supplement powders. Even if you shake up the bottle, how can you be sure you are getting the specific amount per serving or scoop. I know nothing of the manufacture of supplements and this confuses me. Someone care to explain how this works?.
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I'm no rocket scientist - but I weight everything on a scale - and shake the crap out of it (sorry for the technical jargon) prior to each use.
 
T-Bone said:
That still wouldn't guarantee even distribution, no matter how much you shake it.
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I realize that; its sort of the best I can do - for convenience.

If I were taking something that had a very specific dosage requirement, I'd keep it in bulk, and measure dosage every day. I do that with Potassium Nitrate.
 
T-Bone said:
Here's an interesting question in regards to powdered mixed supplements. How can you be sure you are getting the amounts listed on the bottle with each scoop. Say a product says it has 250 mg of L-dopa, and various milligram amounts of say 7 other supplement powders. Even if you shake up the bottle, how can you be sure you are getting the specific amount per serving or scoop. I know nothing of the manufacture of supplements and this confuses me. Someone care to explain how this works?.
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Its called Homogenization. Depending on the materials used, there density, weight etc, the powders are mixed or milled for a certain period of time until they are 100% evenly distributed or homogenized, this should be verified by post production third party testing. As supplements sit, they settle so shaking them up will help to eliminate settling and help maintain homogenization.
 
Adizzle1 said:
Its called Homogenization. Depending on the materials used, there density, weight etc, the powders are mixed or milled for a certain period of time until they are 100% evenly distributed or homogenized, this should be verified by post production third party testing. As supplements sit, they settle so shaking them up will help to eliminate settling and help maintain homogenization.
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Interesting. Thanks for this, never knew how this worked.
 
T-Bone said:
I don't run it for the pumps. I rarely get any pumps from any product anyway. What I like about agmatine is that it helps put me in a better mood and helps me relax. Not really something that helps much pre-workout. I'm still wondering if going above 1 gram a day has any increased benefits. I'm talking about total dosage, and not just at one time. Spread out throughout the day. Say 1 gram post workout, one gram 5-6 hours later, and one gram before bed.
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Interesting, the effects you're talking about (relaxation-anxiolytic) seem to dissipate at anything above 500mg. Not personally but data wise
 
Personally, I like supplementing with 500 mg of agmatine 30 mins pre-bed for the mental relaxation and deeper sleep effect it gives off. Also, for the potential slight increase in GH.
 
De__eB said:
I've personally never really noticed anything relaxation wise with agamatine, even when I take it first thing in the morning.
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The relaxation effect is the main reason I use it. Puts me in a great mood too. It has had a very strong effect like this. In fact today I don't think I'm gonna take my 3rd dose. If I do it's only gonna be 500mg.
 
De__eB said:
I've personally never really noticed anything relaxation wise with agamatine, even when I take it first thing in the morning.
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try 3-4g. one time not spread out. i only take agmatine before i sleep n i dont even measure it. the scoop i use is roughly 3g when i fluff the powder
 
I'm glad this was added. It really gives people the best experience at looking through others trials with products, we can learn a lot from each other. Great idea and I am loving the reviews on everything.
 
MuscleGauge1 said:
I'm glad this was added. It really gives people the best experience at looking through others trials with products, we can learn a lot from each other. Great idea and I am loving the reviews on everything.
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That then official MG stamp on approval
 
bananaClip said:
try 3-4g. one time not spread out. i only take agmatine before i sleep n i dont even measure it. the scoop i use is roughly 3g when i fluff the powder
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I'd think you'd pass out from low blood pressure taking that much at a time...Either that or it would drop your blood sugar...a lot...Wouldn't think that's safe or smart... How do you know it is roughly 3 grams?. Did you weigh it out?.
 
T-Bone said:
I'd think you'd pass out from low blood pressure taking that much at a time...Either that or it would drop your blood sugar...a lot...Wouldn't think that's safe or smart... How do you know it is roughly 3 grams?. Did you weigh it out?.
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yeah i have a couple different scales, big and small "cool face w/ shades" i weigh a lotta things
 
DAA dosage, benefits going to 6 grams a day?. I did it before when I first took it with the Nutraplanet bulk stuff. 3 grams twice a day. I did notice an increase in effects at 6 grams versus 3. I'm running Test Powder now and also have some Test Factor advanced that I've been thinking about adding. I'm just a little worried about adding it with the talk I've read about Neurotoxicity. I believe that theory was put to bed by some of the top minds online though. So I'm still not sure about adding it, meanwhile I'm slowly using up my Test powder. Then again I'm stacking an assload of supplements right now so.....I could ask Coop because he helped me figure out my current stack, but I think I'm beginning to be a pain in the ass with all my questions.
 
T-Bone said:
DAA dosage, benefits going to 6 grams a day?. I did it before when I first took it with the Nutraplanet bulk stuff. 3 grams twice a day. I did notice an increase in effects at 6 grams versus 3. I'm running Test Powder now and also have some Test Factor advanced that I've been thinking about adding. I'm just a little worried about adding it with the talk I've read about Neurotoxicity. I believe that theory was put to bed by some of the top minds online though. So I'm still not sure about adding it, meanwhile I'm slowly using up my Test powder. Then again I'm stacking an assload of supplements right now so.....I could ask Coop because he helped me figure out my current stack, but I think I'm beginning to be a pain in the ass with all my questions.
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I think my main concern w/ DAA @ 6 grams is that I would forever be in the bathroom.
 
Can someone brush up on ephedrine? I'm also wondering if it can be used in conjunction with alphamine as a sort of ecy stack?
 
da_tank55 said:
Can someone brush up on ephedrine? I'm also wondering if it can be used in conjunction with alphamine as a sort of ecy stack?
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Using it with alphamine as we speak, very synergistic and effective. Ease into it eith a half dose to start and gauge your reaction
 
Driven2lift said:
Using it with alphamine as we speak, very synergistic and effective. Ease into it eith a half dose to start and gauge your reaction
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Yep this has been discussed a few places. Dexaprine has been used as well
 
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