The Anabolic Minds Supplement Roundtable

aceroni said:
I had great results with AP.
Got it with the protein deal. Liked it enough to grab another.
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Yo Ace! Lol a lot of People enjoy AP I've never used it to be honest or really looked into the ingredients.

AdonisBelt said:
Something I have always wanted to learn more about are glucose disposal agents.... Are they worth the consideration?
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They seem to have their place. My best advice would be to check the formulas and search the actives. Berberine shows quite a bit of promise.
 
Bulk Berberine is the absolute most horribly awful tasting thing on this planet. I've heard that it was bad but figured I've thrown back some pretty bad tasting bulk supps. Boy was I wrong!!!
 
Jiigzz said:
Yikes, and that's saying something. I capped mine :D
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Yep. I thought Cissus powder was bad but Berberine kicks Cissus ass in the bad tasting department. The taste stays in your mouth/throat forever!

I need to badly. I've been parachuting it.
 
I've tried a few gda's with mixed results... AP is my fav for doing what it says. Pumps me up like crazy and seems to help move things along in the right places. Glycophase was ok for the pumps and such but was spectacular pre bed for deeper and more refreshing sleep. Also tried slintensity was eh all around. Nothing great to speak of there.
 
booneman77 said:
I've tried a few gda's with mixed results... AP is my fav for doing what it says. Pumps me up like crazy and seems to help move things along in the right places. Glycophase was ok for the pumps and such but was spectacular pre bed for deeper and more refreshing sleep. Also tried slintensity was eh all around. Nothing great to speak of there.
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AP is great. I just started using Recompadrol and absolutely loving it. 1 cap per carb meals and 2 pre massive cheat meals. Its potent stuff so you really don't need much.
 
booneman77 said:
And youtube it so we can all watch your face
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Nope. My one time of putting bulk Berberine on a spoon and throwing it back is over haha.

You could do it though :D.
 
Clemenza said:
AP is great. I just started using Recompadrol and absolutely loving it. 1 cap per carb meals and 2 pre massive cheat meals. Its potent stuff so you really don't need much.
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Agreed. Recompadrol is awesome. Next run with it I'll be using Metabolic Powder also.
 
Clemenza said:
AP is great. I just started using Recompadrol and absolutely loving it. 1 cap per carb meals and 2 pre massive cheat meals. Its potent stuff so you really don't need much.
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kbayne said:
Agreed. Recompadrol is awesome. Next run with it I'll be using Metabolic Powder also.
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I've heard a lot of good things about recompadrol but just haven't gotten around to trying it.... NP sale on it would be nice... Hell an EBF sale would be even better
 
booneman77 said:
I've heard a lot of good things about recompadrol but just haven't gotten around to trying it.... NP sale on it would be nice... Hell an EBF sale would be even better
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It was under 30 for a very long time. That sale is over if I get enough interest ill ask them to put one up again
 
Spaniard said:
Yo Ace! Lol a lot of People enjoy AP I've never used it to be honest or really looked into the ingredients.



They seem to have their place. My best advice would be to check the formulas and search the actives. Berberine shows quite a bit of promise.
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The two ingredients in AP are used in glycophase ;)
 
Boys boys play nice.


Now, thoughts on PEA and similar enzymes and the lasting effects?
 
Great for joints and also has some appetite suppression properties if taken fasted, I take it before breakfast typically as I lift in the afternoon and as an anti inflammatory it should be taken away from your workout
 
How much time away from a workout should you dose it? I like already having it in my system before a go to workout to help elevate some minor joint pain.
 
ELROCK said:
How much time away from a workout should you dose it? I like already having it in my system before a go to workout to help elevate some minor joint pain.
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I was initially recommended 4 hours apart. Inflammation is needed for muscle growth.
 
Also, I know it is proven to have healing properties with bones and tendons, but is there any evidence of cissus having anabolic/androgenic properties?
 
Driven2lift said:
Great for joints and also has some appetite suppression properties if taken fasted, I take it before breakfast typically as I lift in the afternoon and as an anti inflammatory it should be taken away from your workout
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Does cissus have anabolic qualities, that you know of. I've heard that said, but do not know personally.
 
Beau said:
Does cissus have anabolic qualities, that you know of. I've heard that said, but do not know personally.
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By allowing you to lift heavier, you could say it has anabolic qualities.
 
kbayne said:
By allowing you to lift heavier, you could say it has anabolic qualities.
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I'd have to disagree. My knee wraps allow me to squat more.

I think he is referring to it being wrongly included in sports supplements as being a direct anabolic. Due to the fact it shows properties of this in bones and has bone fracture studies to back it, some sports companies took that to be anabolic in bones = anabolic in muscle.
 
rob112 said:
I'd have to disagree. My knee wraps allow me to squat more. I think he is referring to it being wrongly included in sports supplements as being a direct anabolic. Due to the fact it shows properties of this in bones and has bone fracture studies to back it, some sports companies took that to be anabolic in bones = anabolic in muscle.
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Well of course other factors come into play here but for many people if Cissus wasn't an option, they would be hurting.

Agreed with the second part though.
 
rob112 said:
I'd have to disagree. My knee wraps allow me to squat more.

I think he is referring to it being wrongly included in sports supplements as being a direct anabolic. Due to the fact it shows properties of this in bones and has bone fracture studies to back it, some sports companies took that to be anabolic in bones = anabolic in muscle.
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Yes, these are the assertions I've read.
 
De__eB said:
Not really equatable to having a direct anabolic action though.
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Want to dissect this one?

Oddly enough I've never tried Cissus despite frequent joint pain. I think it's time.


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RESULTS: CQR-300 as well as CORE exhibited antioxidant properties in vitro. They also acted as in vivo antioxidants, bringing about significant (p < 0.001) reductions in plasma TBARS and carbonyls. Both CQR-300 and CORE also brought about significant reductions in weight, body fat, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and fasting blood glucose levels over the respective study periods. These changes were accompanied by a significant increase in HDL-cholesterol levels, plasma 5-HT, and creatinine.

CONCLUSION: CQR-300 (300 mg daily) and CORE (1028 mg daily) brought about significant reductions in weight and blood glucose levels, while decreasing serum lipids thus improving cardiovascular risk factors. The increase in plasma 5-HT and creatinine for both groups hypothesizes a mechanism of controlling appetite and promoting the increase of lean muscle mass by Cissus quadrangularis, thereby supporting the clinical data for weight loss and improving cardiovascular health.
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Spaniard said:
Want to dissect this one?

Oddly enough I've never tried Cissus despite frequent joint pain. I think it's time.


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You'll notice their conclusion and abstract mention promoting increase of muscle mass but nowhere in actual content of the study do they measure or mention anything to do with lean mass :p

For joints, definitely, for lean mass/anabolism? I remain skeptical.
 
De__eB said:
You'll notice their conclusion and abstract mention promoting increase of muscle mass but nowhere in actual content of the study do they measure or mention anything to do with lean mass :p

For joints, definitely, for lean mass/anabolism? I remain skeptical.
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The mirror isn't an accurate enough measure?

:p
 
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