The 6 foods that work.. 8 week trial (with pics)

BigRigg said:
in terms of carbs i try to stik with low glycemic carbs or fibous carbs and i enjoy my fruits and veggies. in terms of fats i like PB and avacados :)
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Well thats a dumb opinion. J/K. :D

The majority of my diet is oats, sweet potato, jasmine rice, white potato and veggies. But when my carbs are high enough to afford it, I like me some Turkey Hill Cool White Mint fro-yo. Oh yea!! :)
 
AustrianOakJr said:
Well thats a dumb opinion. J/K. :D

The majority of my diet is oats, sweet potato, jasmine rice, white potato and veggies. But when my carbs are high enough to afford it, I like me some Turkey Hill Cool White Mint fro-yo. Oh yea!! :)
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Why jasmine rice?

I was at the grocery store and they were all out of wild rice, basmati and quinoa!! I saw the jasmine rice and was wondering about it. How is it different than your typical white rice?
 
Rodja said:
If someone was to eat hundreds of grams of brown rice or oats, which are both far more acidic than flesh or eggs, you would have to eat well over a dozen servings of produce to even approach a neutral PRAL and that's just from the grains and not taking into account the protein cinsumption. Fish oil, while a good anti-inflammatory, is not going to begin to cover the inflammation from a high-grain diet (I am not vegan/vegetarian), especially is that person has sub-clinical allergies to grains/dairy
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Unless the numbers are inaccurate, according to NutritionData.com Invalid Link Removed much more than makes up for Invalid Link Removed. It would take 4.37 cups(852g) of brown rice to net 0 inflammation factor. I think you underestimate the anti-inflammatory effects of fish oil.
There is only one source of complex carbs that is alkalinic and that is the potato. Since there is no GMO labeling in the US, it is impossible to know whether or not the grains/potatoes you're eating are GMO.
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Not according to Invalid Link Removed. All beans, quinoa, and buckwheat flour.
But, it also says Lima beans are very alkaline, and Invalid Link Removed says it's moderately inflammatory...Also on the buckwheat flour. I don't think alkalinity determines the inflammation factor. Fish is acidic but highly anti-inflammatory.
 
Me personally.... Don't really like rice too much. Brown rice or white. Glad sweet potatos are interchangable or I would be
In trouble lol.

(Now fried rice ain't bad ;))
 
Protein in general is acidic.
Look up alkalinity v acidic food list. It is beat to focus on Anti inflammatory foods
 
runner_79 said:
Look up alkalinity v acidic food list. It is beat to focus on Anti inflammatory foods
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As I just pointed out, there are acidic anti-inflammatory foods, and alkaline inflammatory foods. I think it's best to go by the inflammation factor on ND.com than by whether it's alkaline or acidic.
 
Vengeance187 said:
As I just pointed out, there are acidic anti-inflammatory foods, and alkaline inflammatory foods. I think it's best to go by the inflammation factor on ND.com than by whether it's alkaline or acidic.
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Very true.

And that agave stuff is 95% fructose. That is WAY higher the even HFCS.

Inflammation by grains though maybe low is not only caused by their acidic values I think. It could be from their lectin reaction in those sensitive to it.
 
BigRigg said:
What your view on agave nectar? Lol I read it has a very low GI value
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Obviously, I take a different approach than many of the other guys on this forum. So I don't view any foods as off limits. I eat what I want in moderation and focus on macro nutrient totals for the day. I eat agave from time to time. I like Honey better. But then again, I eat HFCS as well. It really doesnt make a difference in body-composition if you are willing to spend the time being accurate in your measurements. So if you like agave. Eat it. :)

HFCS....fueling champions since the mid-80's. ;)

P.S. I thought the link on agave was interesting.....and the link the blogger linked to in his blog, even more interesting. I still dont necessarily have a problem with agave from a bodybuilding standpoint, but I find it ethically challenging because of the the way that it is marketed in light of the truth behind it. Seems rather deceptive if what the articles state is true.
 
Vengeance187 said:
As I just pointed out, there are acidic anti-inflammatory foods, and alkaline inflammatory foods. I think it's best to go by the inflammation factor on ND.com than by whether it's alkaline or acidic.
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hence why my last sentence said BEST TO GO BY ANTI-INFLAMMATORY FOODS
 
Vengeance187 said:
Unless the numbers are inaccurate, according to NutritionData.com Invalid Link Removed much more than makes up for Invalid Link Removed. It would take 4.37 cups(852g) of brown rice to net 0 inflammation factor. I think you underestimate the anti-inflammatory effects of fish oil.
Not according to Invalid Link Removed. All beans, quinoa, and buckwheat flour.
But, it also says Lima beans are very alkaline, and Invalid Link Removed says it's moderately inflammatory...Also on the buckwheat flour. I don't think alkalinity determines the inflammation factor. Fish is acidic but highly anti-inflammatory.
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You're talking about 2 completely different things with this post. PRAL has to do the load on the kidneys and is not directly tied to inflammation. 1 tsp of salmon oil will have close to a 0 PRAL, but 195g of brown rice will have a PRAL closer to 4. Throw in an 8 oz serving of chicken breast (~18) and we're looking at a meal with nearly a 22 PRAL (assuming no produce with this meal, which is very common). Now, when you have several of these meals throughout the day and causes a high acid level, you are setting the stage for the inflammation. Throw in a little gluten throughout the day, which is inherently inflammatory (PMID: 20514534) and we're really in a bad position.

I don't count legumes as a source of complex carbs since the actual amount you get from them is very small due to the fiber content, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I, however, avoid legumes due to the lectins (an anti-nutrient) present within them.
 
Holy sh**… Is anybody aware that this is a log?

I have to disagree with the statement that you cant substantially grow without carbs or with relatively low carbs. Ive done it. Protein builds tissue in the body, not carbs. And for “fuel” in the gym, I see no difference between low carb and high carb. You don’t need 1000g of carbs a day to perform a 90 minute weight training session, point blank.

I'm not gonna fool with quoting the eight thousand five hundred and three posts made in the past day but to oak, i kept dilligent track of calories, adjusted them again and again and still put on fat. My theory? All the processed, GM, lectin latent, pro-inflammatory ingredients in half of the carbs I was consuming, along with the culmination of fat (much of it also inflammatory omega 6's). You can reference genetic anomolies who eat pop tarts, but that's a poor argumentative strategy as well. And once again, weight/size gain is NOT solely reliant on calorie surplus or deficit. People are fat from yes, too many calories, but even more so, too many high glycemic, proinflammatory foods and inactivity. You can become diabetic at a perfectly healthy bodyweight- adiposity contributes, but diet and physical activity are key elements.

Somebody mentioned carbs after workout. Been refraining from this for some time (even at my current ~350g carb diet) and have seen a MAJOR diff in BF%. Also read a couple studies showing that intake blunts protein synthesis. After all, protein can induce insulin release by itself.

And as long as we're acknowledging logical fallacies, I never said there was a "magic" food, as you all implied. I can attest that 4K calories from these select foods affects body composition differently than 4K from anything else. And Im sure Pulcinella is aware of the intrinsic problems this limited diet can cause. He doesn't employ it year round, if you listen to him speak he’s not a degenerate.

Bodybuilders build their body. No such thing as a balanced diet for us, to the genius who mentioned it. One or some macros are gonna be relatively high, inevitably.

I appreciate the discussion/debate and yes oak i agree, learning is always the objective.
 
bezoe said:
Holy sh**… Is anybody aware that this is a log?

I have to disagree with the statement that you cant substantially grow without carbs or with relatively low carbs. Ive done it. Protein builds tissue in the body, not carbs. And for “fuel” in the gym, I see no difference between low carb and high carb. You don’t need 1000g of carbs a day to perform a 90 minute weight training session, point blank.

I'm not gonna fool with quoting the eight thousand five hundred and three posts made in the past day but to oak, i kept dilligent track of calories, adjusted them again and again and still put on fat. My theory? All the processed, GM, lectin latent, pro-inflammatory ingredients in half of the carbs I was consuming, along with the culmination of fat (much of it also inflammatory omega 6's). You can reference genetic anomolies who eat pop tarts, but that's a poor argumentative strategy as well. And once again, weight/size gain is NOT solely reliant on calorie surplus or deficit. People are fat from yes, too many calories, but even more so, too many high glycemic, proinflammatory foods and inactivity. You can become diabetic at a perfectly healthy bodyweight- adiposity contributes, but diet and physical activity are key elements.

Somebody mentioned carbs after workout. Been refraining from this for some time (even at my current ~350g carb diet) and have seen a MAJOR diff in BF%. Also read a couple studies showing that intake blunts protein synthesis. After all, protein can induce insulin release by itself.

And as long as we're acknowledging logical fallacies, I never said there was a "magic" food, as you all implied. I can attest that 4K calories from these select foods affects body composition differently than 4K from anything else. And Im sure Pulcinella is aware of the intrinsic problems this limited diet can cause. He doesn't employ it year round, if you listen to him speak he’s not a degenerate.

Bodybuilders build their body. No such thing as a balanced diet for us, to the genius who mentioned it. One or some macros are gonna be relatively high, inevitably.

I appreciate the discussion/debate and yes oak i agree, learning is always the objective.
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nice post. :D

I have to agree with everything you said here.
 
Rodja said:
Post-WO carbs blunting protein synthesis? Can you post those, please?
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I think it has to do with absorption rate, but I'm not sure. Like it slows the rate at which amino's can be absorbed. But I know PWO carbs are pretty much needed for those who train multiple times a day.. I remember Dr. Muaro D. pasqual (SP please forgive me...) said something about decreased insulin sensitivity with post wo carbs... but in all honestly I don't really hold much of what he says to be granite...
 
Just want some insight:
Weight gain & size is not related soley based on calories you said; so does that mean you can attribute some of that to protein building muscle? Not being a smart azz just trying to learn.

Also saying that people are fat cause they basically eat the wrong kind of foods.
So I guess we can pretty much attest carbs are mainly for energy and won't help so much to grow muscle vs. Protein correct?

I'm the type of guy I'm not the leanest but I do eat my share of carbs & proteins. So maybe you can elaborate and I can get a bit of a better understanding... Bezoe
 
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198 lbs

Have noticed slight decrease in strength in the gym but nothing worrisome.

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bezoe said:
Holy sh**… Is anybody aware that this is a log?
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Yea....sorry about that. If you want me to shut up, just say the word and i will.

bezoe said:
I have to disagree with the statement that you cant substantially grow without carbs or with relatively low carbs. Ive done it. Protein builds tissue in the body, not carbs. And for “fuel” in the gym, I see no difference between low carb and high carb. You don’t need 1000g of carbs a day to perform a 90 minute weight training session, point blank.
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Just so we are clear, I did not say you cant grow on low carb diets. Obviously thats not the case. THe point I as trying to make was that most people limit their growth because they assume they are "carb sensitive". For some this is true.....perhaps you are one of them. But the number of bodybuilders I have run into that are truly carb sensitive are very few and far between. Protein does build muscle, but carbohydrates spare protein so that it can do the work its best suited to do.

bezoe said:
I'm not gonna fool with quoting the eight thousand five hundred and three posts made in the past day but to oak, i kept dilligent track of calories, adjusted them again and again and still put on fat. My theory? All the processed, GM, lectin latent, pro-inflammatory ingredients in half of the carbs I was consuming, along with the culmination of fat (much of it also inflammatory omega 6's). You can reference genetic anomolies who eat pop tarts, but that's a poor argumentative strategy as well. And once again, weight/size gain is NOT solely reliant on calorie surplus or deficit. People are fat from yes, too many calories, but even more so, too many high glycemic, proinflammatory foods and inactivity. You can become diabetic at a perfectly healthy bodyweight- adiposity contributes, but diet and physical activity are key elements.
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I did outline a very solid physiological argument for my beliefs in a carb-heavy diet but no one even attempted to reference it, debate it or comment on it. All I got was flack for posting those pics.....and my reference to Alberto was not even meant to be an "arguement strategy" but simply an example of one of the MANY professional bodybuilders that I know and associate with that live by the "if it fits your macros" mantra. These guys are not genetic anomalies I can assure you. Seriously, I used to be 24% bodyfat. Im not some kind of lean freak. Im naturally very endo. I have another friend named Paul who used to weigh about 300 lbs and dieted down to striated glutes for his FIRST contest eating anything he wanted. Changed his life. And I could give you names of other guys as well who's dieting strategy is the same....."if it fits your macros".....then eat it. If it was just one or two guys, I would grant you that they are probably genetic freaks and exceptions to the traditional bodybuilding rules. But its not.....its literally hundreds of guys who are realizing all this old school bb'ing dogma is just that.....dogma. If you took the time to peruse the contest prep section over on bodybuilding.com you would run into log after log of "food porn" posting pictures of lucky charms slathered in chocolate sauce. And the guy eating it has striations in his ass so deep its ridiculous. Anamolies? Nope.....its simply the laws of physics. Eat less calories than you burn and you lose fat.

I set up this AM account after spending years surfing solely on BB.com and its just a completely different mentality. I was actually really surprised when I started reading threads over here that people get wrapped up in the food selection thing so much. But to each their own, I guess. Nothing wrong with brocolli and chicken. Just seems like a boring way to diet to me.

As to why you were not able to have success with the carbs in your diet. My guess is that either you were not tracking your calories as diligently as you think OR you were coming out of a low carb phase and added them back in to find you were indeed very carb sensitive. It is very common for a new dieter to start with a low carb diet and think they are making all kinds of success as they lose 8 lbs of water the first week.....as they lose all their glycogen storage...duh. They think CKD or keto is the greatest thing since sliced bread (no pun intended :)). Then they run carb-less for so long they have a hard time adapting back to them again. My bet would be that after you have run your Pulcinella diet for a while and worked on increasing your carbs little by little you would have no problem switching a few meals out for other sources like breads and pastas.....and heavens no....maybe some processed food. OH NO! :D Just my $02. Peace.
 
I have to say this unless your are a pro BB or want to be pro or want that desired physique that you desire fine go for what you desire.

I'm not in this game to be a pro BB. I am here to look freaking good and stay pretty much that way year round, & what I think works best for me is quality calories about 90% of the time give or take. Maybe a couple minor "cheat" foods here and there through out the week. I focus on that 40/30/30 diet. So if you want to be at 2500 calories roughly then that's 250g carbs, 80-85g fats, 180g protein. Which would work just fine at maintenance for me. If I bulk these numbers would increase slightly with another 200 calories roughly. Works for me.

Apparently it keeps your body balanced and you're not getting too much or 1 thing or too less of another & vice versa. Every1 has what works for them.
 
@Oak agreed. I eat pasta, breads, processes foods myself just not day in day out. Don't see anything wrong with it.

Calories in & calories out is the biggest thing. Think I've learned not to be afraid of them. Just burn what u eat & make sure u r getting nutrients.

I also think it has been said cutting carbs is basically cutting calories which u can cut from protein or fat. Carbs would probably be the best place to trim the extra fr first.

That's why I really don't go extreme. I make slight changes and keep sticking with it. I had gotten confused that cutting carbs was actually carbs not cals, but I'm cutting carbs as cals & just not replacing them with anything which equals less food aka less cals which equals weight loss!
 
mattrag said:
nice post. :D

I have to agree with everything you said here.
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Yea i agree with it too

Rodja said:
Post-WO carbs blunting protein synthesis? Can you post those, please?
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Ill look for it sir

mattrag said:
I think it has to do with absorption rate, but I'm not sure. Like it slows the rate at which amino's can be absorbed. But I know PWO carbs are pretty much needed for those who train multiple times a day.. I remember Dr. Muaro D. pasqual (SP please forgive me...) said something about decreased insulin sensitivity with post wo carbs... but in all honestly I don't really hold much of what he says to be granite...
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meaning they cause insulin resistance in the long term?
AaronJP1 said:
Just want some insight:
Weight gain & size is not related soley based on calories you said; so does that mean you can attribute some of that to protein building muscle? Not being a smart azz just trying to learn.

Also saying that people are fat cause they basically eat the wrong kind of foods.
So I guess we can pretty much attest carbs are mainly for energy and won't help so much to grow muscle vs. Protein correct?

I'm the type of guy I'm not the leanest but I do eat my share of carbs & proteins. So maybe you can elaborate and I can get a bit of a better understanding... Bezoe
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Exactly.. there are a plethora of variables that tie in to body composition besides the superficial calorie-in calorie-out theory. Leptin, ghrelin, insulin activity, all sorts of metabolic processes that decide whether nutrients are converted to fat etc. etc. Citing Dr. Scott Connley's example of animals that hybernate coming out fatter than they went in with little or NO food over the duration. And no, carbs dont build anything. They are used for fuel or to store fat... something dietary fats can achieve easily.
 
Rodja said:
Post-WO carbs blunting protein synthesis? Can you post those, please?
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Insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is most likely what they were referring to
 
bezoe said:
Yea i agree with it too

Ill look for it sir

meaning they cause insulin resistance in the long term?

Exactly.. there are a plethora of variables that tie in to body composition besides the superficial calorie-in calorie-out theory. Leptin, ghrelin, insulin activity, all sorts of metabolic processes that decide whether nutrients are converted to fat etc. etc. Citing Dr. Scott Connley's example of animals that hybernate coming out fatter than they went in with little or NO food over the duration. And no, carbs dont build anything. They are used for fuel or to store fat... something dietary fats can achieve easily.
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Understood. I just have to make sure I'm burning my 250g of carbs... I'm thinking this 40/30/30 should work out for me... We will see.

Like u said if all those variables tie into body comp then it's way over my head I'm. Watching cals and like I said probably the first place to start cutting calls if needed be would be carbs. That part I understand.

Thx
 
bezoe said:
Day #44

198 lbs

Have noticed slight decrease in strength in the gym but nothing worrisome.

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Shaping up nicely man
 
JudoJosh said:
Insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is most likely what they were referencing was
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Shouldn't the carbs (fast preferably) help carry the nutrients to muscles after work out? or is it saying the muscles know to soak up nutrients regardless of carbs?
 
bezoe said:
Exactly.. there are a plethora of variables that tie in to body composition besides the superficial calorie-in calorie-out theory. Leptin, ghrelin, insulin activity, all sorts of metabolic processes that decide whether nutrients are converted to fat etc. etc. . .
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So in your estimation, is it simply that I have gotten extremely lucky and just happen to select the right foods? Because I suscribe to that superficial theory yet I am able to get stage-ready shredded. Just curious what your take on it is?
 
People are going to either grow or drop depending on THEIR intake.

1000g carbs is significantly different to 1000g of protein and fat. First if all, carbs don't make you grow. Protein intake does. Keep that high for nitrogen retention and your good to go. Low carb moderate to high fat and mod to high protein, good to go. Fat and protein stimulate insulin less than carbs. Minimize the insulin curves, the better body response to training and utilization of nutrients through partitioning
 
Dr. Mauro said that when you take in PWO carbs you fill glycogen stores so you're "enhanced" insulin sensitivity in turn becomes "used". And so you are, in a sense less insulin sensitive than you would've been if you ate 0 carbs after. I'm in the assumption that if you are truly glycogen depelted then your liver will have to turn up gluconeogenisis and elevate cortisol even higher if you are already on a true 0 carb diet.
I've come to approach my diet as this~
Protein for muscles @ .8-1g/LBM
Carbs for energy/activity
Fats for body functions/maintaining.

And above all else if you're thinking too hard you probably should just get more sleep and stop worrying about it. I'm just crazy and like to read all these wonderful discussions about nutrition. haha. It's all good reads IMO. I love the science and the depth. But sometimes we get too intagled in what the documents say that we forget to sleep, and enjoy life. That's when I like the "get more sleep and stop worrying" protocol.
 
runner_79 said:
People are going to either grow or drop depending on THEIR intake.

1000g carbs is significantly different to 1000g of protein and fat. First if all, carbs don't make you grow. Protein intake does. Keep that high for nitrogen retention and your good to go. Low carb moderate to high fat and mod to high protein, good to go. Fat and protein stimulate insulin less than carbs. Minimize the insulin curves, the better body response to training and utilization of nutrients through partitioning
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Understood. We ultimately want to keep insulin low or even balanced not high spikes am I correct?

If it's too high that could lead too fat storage am I correct or off? (not a science guy here)
 
mattrag said:
Dr. Mauro said that when you take in PWO carbs you fill glycogen stores so you're "enhanced" insulin sensitivity in turn becomes "used". And so you are, in a sense less insulin sensitive than you would've been if you ate 0 carbs after. I'm in the assumption that if you are truly glycogen depelted then your liver will have to turn up gluconeogenisis and elevate cortisol even higher if you are already on a true 0 carb diet.
I've come to approach my diet as this~
Protein for muscles @ .8-1g/LBM
Carbs for energy/activity
Fats for body functions/maintaining.

And above all else if you're thinking too hard you probably should just get more sleep and stop worrying about it. I'm just crazy and like to read all these wonderful discussions about nutrition. haha. It's all good reads IMO. I love the science and the depth. But sometimes we get too intagled in what the documents say that we forget to sleep, and enjoy life. That's when I like the "get more sleep and stop worrying" protocol.
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Repped for truth^^. Off to bed myself. Good night fellas.
 
What do u guys think of this posted above?
 
AaronJP1 said:
Understood. We ultimately want to keep insulin low or even balanced not high spikes am I correct?

If it's too high that could lead too fat storage am I correct or off? (not a science guy here)
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Correct. Learning how I learnt from others... Thats why I'm here. To learn, take this knowledge and yes I pester people which I'm sorry about but if I learn, I can apply it. Keep it going man. Don't be shy and always ask
 
runner_79 said:
Shaping up nicely man
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Yeah.. the picture pisses me off im much more "swole" in person lol
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Shouldn't the carbs (fast preferably) help carry the nutrients to muscles after work out? or is it saying the muscles know to soak up nutrients regardless of carbs?
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Insulin will work without carbs
AustrianOakJr said:
So in your estimation, is it simply that I have gotten extremely lucky and just happen to select the right foods? Because I suscribe to that superficial theory yet I am able to get stage-ready shredded. Just curious what your take on it is?
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My take is i looked at your blog. "you were always skinny growing up". Used to wrestle in school..as did I. And I know you cant be a fatass wrestling 120 or whatever weightclass it was. Dont tell me you are an ecto who used to weight 300 lbs. Sure you got fat for awhile. You have the genetics to be lean. Im not gonna bicker back and forth.. you do what you do and that works for you.
 
bezoe said:
Yeah.. the picture pisses me off im much more "swole" in person lol

Insulin will work without carbs

My take is i looked at your blog. "you were always skinny growing up". Used to wrestle in school..as did I. And I know you cant be a fatass wrestling 120 or whatever weightclass it was. Dont tell me you are an ecto who used to weight 300 lbs. Sure you got fat for awhile. You have the genetics to be lean. Im not gonna bicker back and forth.. you do what you do and that works for you.
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What works for you may work for nobody else, but in a general, best battle
Is low carb in general.

U get the insulin release from protein...
 
Rodja said:
I am familiar with the people that you cited earlier, especially Dr. Norton, whom I cited in several papers for my M.Ed., but to just throw out names is not really helping your argument.


Who gives a damn about reps received? I'll ignore yet another fallacy on your end. I NEVER once said that IMTGs are the primary fuel during highly-anaerobic activity, so, once again, quit adding things to my argument to strengthen yours.

Your second paragraph here is just an epic facepalm...



BB'ing and PL'ing are completely separate and there is a way to objectively measure a PL'ers performance unlike a BB'er. I have seen very, very few BB'ers that actually train for true strength in addition to aesthetics (the aforementioned Norton and also Stan Efferding are examples) and remain competitive in both. As I've said several times, the amount of weight that is lifted by a BB'er is inconsequential; there isn't a ME round in a BB'ing competition.



The premise of that there are magic foods is absurd and the video fo Pulcinella makes no sense, especially since he uses brown rice and sweet potatoes interchangeably. You are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, but there are so many factors that play into substrate preference. I used to be a high-carb advocate, but have since changed to the high-fat side after looking at the research. There is still a high amount of resistance to fats based upon the outlandish research from the 50's and there is an even higher amount of dogma surrounded saturated fats.
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Rodja for the win here.
 
bezoe said:
My take is i looked at your blog. "you were always skinny growing up". Used to wrestle in school..as did I. And I know you cant be a fatass wrestling 120 or whatever weightclass it was. Dont tell me you are an ecto who used to weight 300 lbs. Sure you got fat for awhile. You have the genetics to be lean. Im not gonna bicker back and forth.. you do what you do and that works for you.
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Oh no need to bicker.....seriously, i dont get pissed off about this kind of stuff and I dont really understand why others do. The important thing is not to let your ego get in the way of learning. If you don't entertain the idea that "maybe this guys is right"......you might miss a lot in life, no? :) Since you feel I am "bickering", ill bow out now because I dont want to upset anyone. Im just trying to make good dialogue, thats all. Im trying to share something I am pretty sure I have a pretty good handle on.

Sure I was skinny. BEFORE PUBERTY. If, by the simple fact, that I get lean means that I have the genetics to get lean.......well, so does EVERYONE. But I am meso-endo, without a doubt in my mind. I also have no doubt in my mind that YOU could achieve striated everything if you waned to. Its a matter of will, my friend. Im not gonna stand here and tell you its easy.....its the hardest thing I have ever done. But I am pretty damn sure its got nothing to do with glycemic index and insulin. If you ever get a chance, go over to BB.com and read thru the contest prep journals. All the Team "3DMJ" guys follow a very similar philosophy and we are known for bringing sick conditioning to the stage.

Good luck with your diet and if you ever need anything, LMK. Peace.
 
AustrianOakJr said:
Oh no need to bicker.....seriously, i dont get pissed off about this kind of stuff and I dont really understand why others do. The important thing is not to let your ego get in the way of learning. If you don't entertain the idea that "maybe this guys is right"......you might miss a lot in life, no? ....
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I think you should really take your own advice here or better yet take your own coaches advice

I will end exactly on the same note as my original “Black or White?” article, are you thinking solely in the black or white? Are you a student of the sport or is your ego eager to defend your methods and ideas? I challenge you to open your mind to other ideas. You just might stumble upon an idea or method that takes your physique to the next level. Only then maybe you will discover your own truth, whether it is clean eating, IIFYM, both, or maybe something completely different. Bodybuilding is not black or white, but the many shades of grey! - Jeff Alberts
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JudoJosh said:
I think you should really take your own advice here or better yet take your own coaches advice
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Im always open to new ideas. I will debate, discuss and defend what I know as the truth. But I am always listening to the other side.

Where'd you get that quote? Jeff is the man. Mainly because he is the originator of "The Cake" but he knows a couple other things too. ;)
 
AustrianOakJr said:
Im always open to new ideas. I will debate, discuss and defend what I know as the truth. But I am always listening to the other side.

Where'd you get that quote? Jeff is the man. Mainly because he is the originator of "The Cake" but he knows a couple other things too. ;)
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;) I have read some of the 3D Muscle Journey wok before and know of the authors and their beliefs.
 
AustrianOakJr said:
Good luck with your diet and if you ever need anything, LMK. Peace.
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thanks, will do.

Vengeance187 said:
Yes, we all need to see this study that supposedly refutes hundreds of others. Even the studies that showed no benefit to increased protein synthesis showed the same level of protein synthesis, not a decreased level...
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Yea i know there are countless studies saying otherwise... I cant seem to find it, its been awhile ago. I did find the couple saying there was no effect. Im starting to think it might have actually been fat metabolism instead of protein synthesis.
 
Well I took a couple pics with the digital cam.. they look a lot more solid and clear than those fuzzy phone pics but i cant find the damn usb cable to upload them. Ill get them up soon.

Couple more weeks left and ive seen definite improvements. I think its gonna take at least 8 more weeks to really start seeing some good cuts and veins peak through.
 
Can some.explain to me who they are? And whats the cake?
 
Jasen said:
Can some.explain to me who they are? And whats the cake?
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3DMJ is a team of contest prep consultants who specialize in preparing natural bodybuilders for the stage. They are known for bringing their clients into shows incredibly shredded. Jeff Alberts is one of the team members and he is nicknamed "The Cakeman" because he came up with a recipe for a personal cake that high in protein, moderate in carbs and very low in fat. And it tastes flipping awesome. Nothing like getting shredded to the bone for competition while eating cake everyday. ;) Heres the link to the recipe if youre interested.

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