Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2024 Edition)

alvin1 said:
What about that:V•Nella contains the proprietary FitBiomics strain Veillonella. This novel microbe naturally eats lactic acid, a by-product associated with fatigue, and converts it into beneficial short-chain fatty acids that fuel your body.
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I’d be glad to look into it. Haven’t had any requests for it. I’ve read some about it but haven’t done a deep dive on it.
 
schizm said:
@sns8778 how's the BMP product (BMP XT? Coming along?
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Formula, labels, etc are finalized and done.
It’s in the production process now, so I would hope it will be out in the next 8 weeks.
 
sns8778 said:
The only recent delay was the shrink sleeve labels. We lost probably 2 weeks bc the containers had to be re-measured and label sizes adjusted slightly. Shrink sleeves look great graphically but they're a nightmare bc even being a mm off can make them fit poorly. And one would think that a 20 oz. container would be the same size across different brands, but they vary slightly.

Focus XT, Energized Aminos, and Daily Gains should all be finished up in the next few weeks I hope.

Then the next round of flavored powders will go into production.
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Any chance that they'll be ready in time for Thanksgiving/Black Friday sales (assuming you'll have one)?
 
Segansational said:
Any chance that they'll be ready in time for Thanksgiving/Black Friday sales (assuming you'll have one)?
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I doubt it because of the label delays with the shrink sleeves. I wish they would be, but I couldn't promise it.
 
Madevilz said:
Speaking of BF, any new launch will coincide with it? Already eager to plan my winter bulk!
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We have an overwhelming amount of new products in the production process.

I think and hope that we will have several new products out around Black Friday, but there's so much in process that its hard to say exactly which ones will be in by then.

More details in next post.
 
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If all goes well, the next 6 months will be incredibly exciting for those that love supplements.

The more support we get, the better they sell, and the more that people tell others about us and help spread the word, the smoother that these will all come out.

Here is a list of the things that are in process or getting ready to go into process within the next month.

Fat Loss:
  • SNS Lean GLP
Competitive Edge Labs:
  • BASIS
  • Cordarine
  • A natural anabolic that I can't go into details or release the name of yet.
  • Nattybolic (Q1)
SNS Sports Nutrition - Flavored Powders:
  • Daily Gains
  • Energized Aminos
  • Focus XT
  • Focus XT - Caffeine Free
SNS Sports Nutrition - Capsules:
  • ATP Elite
  • ReV02
  • Senactiv XT
  • A natural anabolic that I can't go into details of or release the name of yet.
SNS Health Series:
  • Cholesterol Support XT
  • Prostate Support XT
  • Elite Choline
  • Libido Boost XT
  • Neurogize XT (Caffeine Free Mental Energizer)
  • Blood Sugar Support XT
Single Ingredients:
  • C3G XT
  • Creatine Monohydrate powder
  • Glutamine XT (Glutamine + AstraGin)
  • Spermidine XT
  • At least 6 other single ingredient unique and specialty ingredients

This doesn't include several other things that are being finalized and will be going into process as soon as they are; and I'm probably forgetting a few.
 
Steve I really wish you the best about your supplement company you are always produce
excellent supplements Only one question about A natural anabolic
will boost strength gain or not?
 
poluvolo said:
Steve I really wish you the best about your supplement company you are always produce
excellent supplements Only one question about A natural anabolic
will boost strength gain or not?
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I can’t answer for Steve, but if you care about strength get hyped about ATP Elite and Elite Choline! I know I am.

I also have found Focus XT to be great for skill/technique work.
 
poluvolo said:
Steve I really wish you the best about your supplement company you are always produce
excellent supplements Only one question about A natural anabolic
will boost strength gain or not?
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Thank you.

I want to make sure I understand your question correctly.

Are you asking if the 2 natural anabolics that I mentioned above that I can't go into details about yet will increase strength? Or were you asking which of our products will increase strength?

If you are asking if the 2 natural anabolics that I mentioned above will increase strength, yes, they have been shown to increase strength via non-hormonal pathways, which makes them excellent for stacking with other things.

If you are asking which of our natural anabolics will increase strength, we have a lot of them that will - Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, Prime XT, Alpha One, and I could keep going.
 
AknowledgeMe said:
If you had to choose only one which would it be? Anabolic XT vs Creatine HCl
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If you are asking for strength, I would say Anabolic XT in the long run. There’s so many angles that it can potentially aid, from a holistic perspective it’s more likely to help you increase your base of muscle & strength over time. Motivation, energy, wellbeing, recovery, nutrient utilization - lots of processes supporting better output & recovery from it. I noticed I always seemed to subjectively feel like I was having good training, overall, when I ran it.

That being said, if you simply want to add in something for one week and test output, Creatine HCL is the no-brainer. Me & my wife take this daily, year-round at the moment. Creatine is good for your brain & good for your power output, and HCL is extremely well-tolerated even if monohydrate upsets your gut.
 
Firstly thanks for both answers
so I am asking for
A NATURAL ANABOLIC THAT I CANT GO INTO DETAILS..........
The only detail I would like to know from now is if THE ABOVE NATTY SUPPLEMENT
WIL BOOST STRENGTH OF COURSE ABOUT INGREDIENT PROFILE NO PROBLEM
I WILL BE WAITING......
THANKS VERY MUCH AGAIN
 
poluvolo said:
Firstly thanks for both answers
so I am asking for
A NATURAL ANABOLIC THAT I CANT GO INTO DETAILS..........
The only detail I would like to know from now is if THE ABOVE NATTY SUPPLEMENT
WIL BOOST STRENGTH OF COURSE ABOUT INGREDIENT PROFILE NO PROBLEM
I WILL BE WAITING......
THANKS VERY MUCH AGAIN
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Yes, it will be good for strength gains.

It will be excellent for improving muscle repair and recovery.
 
poluvolo said:
Steve I really wish you the best about your supplement company you are always produce
excellent supplements Only one question about A natural anabolic
will boost strength gain or not?
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Answered or alluded to this a bit in another thread, tons of great options though.

Maybe with a bit more info on how you train I could point you in a specific direction or maybe when I have a bit more time I’ll double back with some suggestions.
 
Hyde said:
I can’t answer for Steve, but if you care about strength get hyped about ATP Elite and Elite Choline! I know I am.

I also have found Focus XT to be great for skill/technique work.
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I understand ATP elite, but I am out of the loop on Choline for strength. I guess I need to read into this!
 
slimsaw00 said:
I understand ATP elite, but I am out of the loop on Choline for strength. I guess I need to read into this!
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You burn up choline when your brain works hard - studying, thinking, practicing anything, sending strong neurological signals to muscles for heavy lifting. So having more choline helps you perform motor patterns better, learn them faster, and mentally recover from that. It’s a very important underrated nutrient.

Supplementing with choline can help improve focus, power output, and reduce brain fog/ mental fatigue after your strength training. One of the best things I ever did was start supplementing with choline around training. Helps performance in training but also let me feel much less drained afterwards during work or with my family - I could give more attention still to other things that matter that deadlifts normally ruined me for.

Check out SNS Choline Citrate!
 
slimsaw00 said:
I understand ATP elite, but I am out of the loop on Choline for strength. I guess I need to read into this!
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There are Alpha-GPC studies showing improved power and performance. In general I think Choline can be helpful for a lot of things, even just things like focus and intentionality of your training.

Hyde said:
You burn up choline when your brain works hard - studying, thinking, practicing anything, sending strong neurological signals to muscles for heavy lifting. So having more choline helps you perform motor patterns better, learn them faster, and mentally recover from that. It’s a very important underrated nutrient.

Supplementing with choline can help improve focus, power output, and reduce brain fog/ mental fatigue after your strength training. One of the best things I ever did was start supplementing with choline around training. Helps performance in training but also let me feel much less drained afterwards during work or with my family - I could give more attention still to other things that matter that deadlifts normally ruined me for.

Check out SNS Choline Citrate!
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Just was reading a study about exhaustive mental activity before training decreasing rate of force production, which lines up with these kinds of reasons for use. I've always been a big fan of nootropics around training to help with this as well.
 
Hyde said:
You burn up choline when your brain works hard - studying, thinking, practicing anything, sending strong neurological signals to muscles for heavy lifting. So having more choline helps you perform motor patterns better, learn them faster, and mentally recover from that. It’s a very important underrated nutrient.

Supplementing with choline can help improve focus, power output, and reduce brain fog/ mental fatigue after your strength training. One of the best things I ever did was start supplementing with choline around training. Helps performance in training but also let me feel much less drained afterwards during work or with my family - I could give more attention still to other things that matter that deadlifts normally ruined me for.

Check out SNS Choline Citrate!
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This is really interesting, do you take any choline post workout as well or only pre? I train pretty strength focused with 3 of my 4 weekly workouts during the workday at lunch and I definitely have a bit of trouble focusing after. Somewhat to be expected when you go from deadlifting in a sympathetic state to sitting at a desk staring at a screen but I’ll still take any help I can get.

Semi-related but I had bought into the notion that preworkout effectiveness is really just from the stims. But after running out of Focus XT a few months back and switching to some other stuff I had lying around, I am very ready for Focus XT to be back in stock, lol
 
warnerve said:
This is really interesting, do you take any choline post workout as well or only pre? I train pretty strength focused with 3 of my 4 weekly workouts during the workday at lunch and I definitely have a bit of trouble focusing after. Somewhat to be expected when you go from deadlifting in a sympathetic state to sitting at a desk staring at a screen but I’ll still take any help I can get.

Semi-related but I had bought into the notion that preworkout effectiveness is really just from the stims. But after running out of Focus XT a few months back and switching to some other stuff I had lying around, I am very ready for Focus XT to be back in stock, lol
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I always take it preWO because training quality & result are #1, but I also notice a much smoother transfer into my work day (also at a computer). Training days I usually use something with AlphaGPC in it preWO, while days off training I swallow a little gram scoop of Choline Citrate with my morning coffee when I get to work. It’s sour & delicious actually.

The GPC is better for absolute strength and intensity of effect, but the SNS Choline Citrate powder is still terrific for aiding focus, and the cost is truly exceptional. That’s the best daily driver for your buck, hands down.

Focus XT is how I really got into it, and after lots of experimentation I think it’s an excellent product for strength training. I can very easily increase my stimulant intake if needed by adding a cheap caffeine tab, or cap of Eria Jarensis or cup of coffee etc, but the overall formula has a wonderful synergy standalone.
 
I just reread the list again that Steve put up. I’m excited for the ATP Elite, Neuragize, and I have no idea what BASIS is but it’s got me intrigued! So many cool things
 
STEVE only one question for a moment. I wonder if could be able produce something stregth gain analogue
results as old legend mass fx the destroyer from athletic xtreme
AS I know there is no secret ingredient . Because I Have not much time for google searching
I think 25-r ,25-x? two main ingredients but realy I cannot remember
BY THE WAY YOUR PRIMEXT IS AWESOME
 
poluvolo said:
STEVE only one question for a moment. I wonder if could be able produce something stregth gain analogue
results as old legend mass fx the destroyer from athletic xtreme
AS I know there is no secret ingredient . Because I Have not much time for google searching
I think 25-r ,25-x? two main ingredients but realy I cannot remember
BY THE WAY YOUR PRIMEXT IS AWESOME
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112 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size:1 Capsule(s)
Servings Per Container:112
Amount Per Serving
Zinc Amino Acid Chelate
Mass FX Proprietary Matrix
UDAX (Proprietary Urtica Dioica Lignan Complex), Stigmast-5-en-3b-ol (Standardized for NLT 90% phytosterols), 25R-Diolô [(3b,5a,6a,25R)-spirostan-3,6-diol], 25R-Xô [(25R)-6-Oxospirost-5-en-3b-ol], Epimedium extract (Standardized to 40% Icariin), Propionyl-L-Carnitine
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alvin1 said:
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112 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size:1 Capsule(s)
Servings Per Container:112
Amount Per Serving
Zinc Amino Acid Chelate
Mass FX Proprietary Matrix
UDAX (Proprietary Urtica Dioica Lignan Complex), Stigmast-5-en-3b-ol (Standardized for NLT 90% phytosterols), 25R-Diolô [(3b,5a,6a,25R)-spirostan-3,6-diol], 25R-Xô [(25R)-6-Oxospirost-5-en-3b-ol], Epimedium extract (Standardized to 40% Icariin), Propionyl-L-Carnitine
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i took the 1st batch of mass fx back in 2005 or 2006 i think. maybe a little bit more muscle fullness
 
poluvolo said:
STEVE only one question for a moment. I wonder if could be able produce something stregth gain analogue
results as old legend mass fx the destroyer from athletic xtreme
AS I know there is no secret ingredient . Because I Have not much time for google searching
I think 25-r ,25-x? two main ingredients but realy I cannot remember
BY THE WAY YOUR PRIMEXT IS AWESOME
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I'm glad that you like Prime XT.

That product was a proprietary blend, and I think it was okay for its time period, but I think there are a lot of products that we make that are much better than it, so I wouldn't really feel right about doing one.

What I mean by that is that it would be charging more for that than products that we make now that I feel are much better.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm glad that you like Prime XT.

That product was a proprietary blend, and I think it was okay for its time period, but I think there are a lot of products that we make that are much better than it, so I wouldn't really feel right about doing one.

What I mean by that is that it would be charging more for that than products that we make now that I feel are much better.
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I believe mass fx the destroyer was a potentially tainted supplement too
 
WickedWarlock said:
I believe mass fx the destroyer was a potentially tainted supplement too
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Yes, I didn't want to be the first one to say that, but that was a theory back then.
 
yotohiroto said:
Any igf-1 products in the future?
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We have several products that increase IGF-1, such as Anabolic XT, Growth Factor XT, etc.

It's just not something we mention much in write ups bc its something that FDA tends to nit pick a lot.
 
sns8778 said:
We have several products that increase IGF-1, such as Anabolic XT, Growth Factor XT, etc.

It's just not something we mention much in write ups bc its something that FDA tends to nit pick a lot.
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RFK is going to take care of that. lol
 
Haterank74 said:
do you guys make alpha gel ? were to get it
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Thank you for the post and question.

Yes, I am involved with Xtreme Performance Gels.

Alpha Gel is available at a variety of online retailers. If I'm not mistaken, DPS offers the best prices on it.

1 bottle - 37.49 - https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/33144/xpg-xtreme-gels-alpha-gel-100-ml.htm
2 bottles - 71.21 - https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/33214/xpg-xtreme-gels-alpha-gel-100-ml.htm

If you have any questions, please let me know. I'm glad to help.
 
Could we see an all in one TRT support that combines parts of inhibit e with dhea and maybe some cortisol suppprt, pregnenolone, libido enhancer?
 
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sns8778 said:
Competitive Edge Labs (CEL):

There are some big plans under CEL and we will get out as many new products this year as possible, but some of the flavored powder ones may carry over into 2025.

Competitive Edge Labs – Capsule Products:
  • Nattybolic - late Q1/early Q2 release hopefully - very unique natural anabolic muscle builder
    • This product was teased in 2022 but we decided to hold off on it because of some exciting new developments on the raw material side of things.
  • A single ingredient natural anabolic (Q1)
  • A very comprehensive natural anabolic and recomposition product that will incorporate some bone morphogenetic protein aspects into it, but there will be a lot to it in addition to that.
  • CEL Fat Burning/Endurance formula
    • This would be a very unique formula that would be the closest thing to a legal, compliant, and safe natural version of Cardarine.
    • Note that I am not directly comparing it to Cardarine because I don’t compare supplements to illegal drugs or research chemicals; I’m just using that as an example of what the intended goals of the product would be.
  • PCT Assist (Updated Version) - the new formula is really cool and exciting.
  • Joint Edge – a convenient 2 capsule per day joint support supplement.
Competitive Edge Labs – Flavored Powders:
  • Super Swole (new version)
  • Stim Edge – high energy pre-workout
  • Thermogenic Pre-Workout formula - absolutely loaded formula.
  • Pre-Workout Powder - there will be Super Swole (Stim Free), Stim Edge (high stim), a thermogenic pre-workout formula, and then this one that we aren’t ready to release the name for yet that will be a very comprehensive pre-workout formula that will have stims but moreso dosed for the average person rather than being as strong as Stim Edge.
  • Intra/EAA Formula – absolutely loaded formula.
  • Anabolic Sleep Formula – I’m very excited for this myself.
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nattybolic out? and what is the supplement that is suppose to be like cardarine?
 
yotohiroto said:
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nattybolic out? and what is the supplement that is suppose to be like cardarine?
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Nattybolic is scheduled for a Q1 release next year.

The supplement that will be as close to Cardarine as a legal and natural supplement can get, should be out by the end of this year.
 
WickedWarlock said:
Could we see an all in one TRT support that combines parts of inhibit e with dhea and maybe some cortisol suppprt, pregnenolone, libido enhancer?
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It's very interesting that you mentioned this because we get referrals from some TRT clinics and we've had them asking for an all in one type of product.

What we get asked for the most is something like Inhibit-E & Inhibit-P together - which we may do, but it won't be much different than stacking the two of them together. So I was trying to think of something to add to this, but not for it to exceed 4 caps per day. If we decided to go 6 caps per day, I know what I would add.

Libido Boost XT will hopefully be out in January. It isn't really feasible to add it into a formula with the others above bc its a 4 capsule product all to itself.

DHEA & Pregnenolone - I have thought about this a lot - the possibility of doing an oral one &/or a topical.
I really think its best for people to use the XPG DHEA-50 Gel and Pregnenolone Gel separately because they can customize the dose to their individual needs, but I understand that market wide, some people just want 1 product.

I'd love to get a discussion going on this and see what people would be interested in.
 
sns8778 said:
It's very interesting that you mentioned this because we get referrals from some TRT clinics and we've had them asking for an all in one type of product.

What we get asked for the most is something like Inhibit-E & Inhibit-P together - which we may do, but it won't be much different than stacking the two of them together. So I was trying to think of something to add to this, but not for it to exceed 4 caps per day. If we decided to go 6 caps per day, I know what I would add.

Libido Boost XT will hopefully be out in January. It isn't really feasible to add it into a formula with the others above bc its a 4 capsule product all to itself.

DHEA & Pregnenolone - I have thought about this a lot - the possibility of doing an oral one &/or a topical.
I really think its best for people to use the XPG DHEA-50 Gel and Pregnenolone Gel separately because they can customize the dose to their individual needs, but I understand that market wide, some people just want 1 product.

I'd love to get a discussion going on this and see what people would be interested in.
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I think 6 caps a day would be perfect honestly. No different than dosing m-test and a lot of other hormonal balancing formulas (my wife takes one that’s 3 caps twice a day).
 
sns8778 said:
I hope that everyone had a wonderful holiday and that their New Years is off to a great start.

Each year, I do a thread asking for suggestions as to what products that people would like to see from us, as well as what ingredients they’re interested in or would like to see included in formulas.

I really enjoy helping people and interacting with people and hearing their ideas, answering questions, and throwing around ideas with them.

I look forward to hearing any ideas that people like to see from:
I wanted to go ahead and include both Muscle Addiction and Xtreme Performance Gels in this thread this year. There's a separate thread for this for XPG too, but I wanted anyone to feel free to mention ideas in here as well.

Feel free to suggest single ingredient and/or combination ideas.

Thanks, and I look forward to seeing everyone's ideas.
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What is your epi ANDRO gel dose recommendation do you have anything like a 4 ANDRO ? Or what is your top 2 gels ? I am looking for lean mass
 
WickedWarlock said:
I think 6 caps a day would be perfect honestly. No different than dosing m-test and a lot of other hormonal balancing formulas (my wife takes one that’s 3 caps twice a day).
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Thanks. Statistically what we find is that the sports nutrition consumer doesn't mind 6 capsules, but that you lose sales with the general consumer base when you go over 4 capsules per day of a formula.

For DHEA and Pregnenolone, on a topical, I think the ideal per ml dosing is 50 mg. DHEA/25 mg. Pregnenolone. I thought about doing one where that is the dose per ml, or possibly making it half that dose per ml bc then it would be more female friendly dosing.
 
Haterank74 said:
What is your epi ANDRO gel dose recommendation do you have anything like a 4 ANDRO ? Or what is your top 2 gels ? I am looking for lean mass
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For me personally, I think 300 mg. per day is the best dosing for Epiandro Gel. That is the dose where most people feel the best as in they get the best results and feel better on it. Pushing the dose to 450 mg. per day - some won't notice better results, some may, but for a lot of people they lose the feel good benefit at that dose.

We don't make anything with 4-Andro because there are some patent issues with that compound, and we just steer clear of situations like that.

For lean mass, are you open to suggestions on capsule products?
I can give some great suggestions on that for that purpose.
 
sns8778 said:
Thanks. Statistically what we find is that the sports nutrition consumer doesn't mind 6 capsules, but that you lose sales with the general consumer base when you go over 4 capsules per day of a formula.

For DHEA and Pregnenolone, on a topical, I think the ideal per ml dosing is 50 mg. DHEA/25 mg. Pregnenolone. I thought about doing one where that is the dose per ml, or possibly making it half that dose per ml bc then it would be more female friendly dosing.
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I think for a TRT centric product you have less to worry about capsule wise because they are already taking stuff, what’s 3 caps in the am and 3 in the pm.

I would love an inhibit e/inhibit p mix with something good for cortisol. That covers estrogen prolactin and cortisol. Then have the dhea/preg combo on the side for further optimization.

For dose I think 25mg dhea and 12.5 preg is best to appeal to more people
 
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