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Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2024 Edition)

sns8778 said:
I hope that everyone had a wonderful holiday and that their New Years is off to a great start.

Each year, I do a thread asking for suggestions as to what products that people would like to see from us, as well as what ingredients they’re interested in or would like to see included in formulas.

I really enjoy helping people and interacting with people and hearing their ideas, answering questions, and throwing around ideas with them.

I look forward to hearing any ideas that people like to see from:
I wanted to go ahead and include both Muscle Addiction and Xtreme Performance Gels in this thread this year. There's a separate thread for this for XPG too, but I wanted anyone to feel free to mention ideas in here as well.

Feel free to suggest single ingredient and/or combination ideas.

Thanks, and I look forward to seeing everyone's ideas.
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What is your epi ANDRO gel dose recommendation do you have anything like a 4 ANDRO ? Or what is your top 2 gels ? I am looking for lean mass
 
WickedWarlock said:
I think 6 caps a day would be perfect honestly. No different than dosing m-test and a lot of other hormonal balancing formulas (my wife takes one that’s 3 caps twice a day).
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Thanks. Statistically what we find is that the sports nutrition consumer doesn't mind 6 capsules, but that you lose sales with the general consumer base when you go over 4 capsules per day of a formula.

For DHEA and Pregnenolone, on a topical, I think the ideal per ml dosing is 50 mg. DHEA/25 mg. Pregnenolone. I thought about doing one where that is the dose per ml, or possibly making it half that dose per ml bc then it would be more female friendly dosing.
 
Haterank74 said:
What is your epi ANDRO gel dose recommendation do you have anything like a 4 ANDRO ? Or what is your top 2 gels ? I am looking for lean mass
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For me personally, I think 300 mg. per day is the best dosing for Epiandro Gel. That is the dose where most people feel the best as in they get the best results and feel better on it. Pushing the dose to 450 mg. per day - some won't notice better results, some may, but for a lot of people they lose the feel good benefit at that dose.

We don't make anything with 4-Andro because there are some patent issues with that compound, and we just steer clear of situations like that.

For lean mass, are you open to suggestions on capsule products?
I can give some great suggestions on that for that purpose.
 
sns8778 said:
Thanks. Statistically what we find is that the sports nutrition consumer doesn't mind 6 capsules, but that you lose sales with the general consumer base when you go over 4 capsules per day of a formula.

For DHEA and Pregnenolone, on a topical, I think the ideal per ml dosing is 50 mg. DHEA/25 mg. Pregnenolone. I thought about doing one where that is the dose per ml, or possibly making it half that dose per ml bc then it would be more female friendly dosing.
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I think for a TRT centric product you have less to worry about capsule wise because they are already taking stuff, what’s 3 caps in the am and 3 in the pm.

I would love an inhibit e/inhibit p mix with something good for cortisol. That covers estrogen prolactin and cortisol. Then have the dhea/preg combo on the side for further optimization.

For dose I think 25mg dhea and 12.5 preg is best to appeal to more people
 
WickedWarlock said:
I think for a TRT centric product you have less to worry about capsule wise because they are already taking stuff, what’s 3 caps in the am and 3 in the pm.

I would love an inhibit e/inhibit p mix with something good for cortisol. That covers estrogen prolactin and cortisol. Then have the dhea/preg combo on the side for further optimization.

For dose I think 25mg dhea and 12.5 preg is best to appeal to more people
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Have you tried one of the Ashwagandha products, regarding cortisol modulation?

I was thinking the 25/12.5 topical DHEA/preg dose is definitely appealing as well. I feel great on TD DHEA but it’s all very wet for me and I just don’t need a lot at all.

My wife has been on 25mg oral DHEA for quite some time, doing well on that, so TD with those doses could be a nice little boost.
 
Hyde said:
Have you tried one of the Ashwagandha products, regarding cortisol modulation?

I was thinking the 25/12.5 topical DHEA/preg dose is definitely appealing as well. I feel great on TD DHEA but it’s all very wet for me and I just don’t need a lot at all.

My wife has been on 25mg oral DHEA for quite some time, doing well on that, so TD with those doses could be a nice little boost.
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What do you mean by wet?
 
I think a big mistake that some people make with DHEA is that they think they need more than they actually do.

Oral DHEA some people dose very high thinking that more is better when it isn't, and oral is more prone to estrogen issues.

I think DHEA is an example of an ingredient where topical/td is definitely better - more noticeable benefits and less worry about any estrogen issues than with the oral forms. 50 mg. per day is the highest dose the average person ever needs on DHEA-50 Gel in my opinion.
 
WickedWarlock said:
I think for a TRT centric product you have less to worry about capsule wise because they are already taking stuff, what’s 3 caps in the am and 3 in the pm.

I would love an inhibit e/inhibit p mix with something good for cortisol. That covers estrogen prolactin and cortisol. Then have the dhea/preg combo on the side for further optimization.

For dose I think 25mg dhea and 12.5 preg is best to appeal to more people
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I agree that it is how that would seem - but that's a definite issue that we hear all the time is people complaining about the number of capsules per serving of some products. I think that a lot of general consumers don't think about it like - the answer is simply you can only fit but so much in a capsule; it's not that we ever want to make anyone take more capsules, its that the number of capsules is determined by the dose of active ingredients in the product.

I do think that a DHEA/Pregnenolone needs to be separate and if we do one, it would be at 25 mg. DHEA/12.5 mg. Pregnenolone. I've been consider doing that for SNS and XPG both.
 
sns8778 said:
I agree that it is how that would seem - but that's a definite issue that we hear all the time is people complaining about the number of capsules per serving of some products. I think that a lot of general consumers don't think about it like - the answer is simply you can only fit but so much in a capsule; it's not that we ever want to make anyone take more capsules, its that the number of capsules is determined by the dose of active ingredients in the product.

I do think that a DHEA/Pregnenolone needs to be separate and if we do one, it would be at 25 mg. DHEA/12.5 mg. Pregnenolone. I've been consider doing that for SNS and XPG both.
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25/12.5 sounds perfect. Is the pregnenelone scentless like your DHEA is?
 
AknowledgeMe said:
25/12.5 sounds perfect. Is the pregnenelone scentless like your DHEA is?
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I don't smell any scent with the Pregnenolone.

There is no added scent or fragrance with any of the XPG products. Any XPG product that has a smell to it, the smell is from the ingredients themselves or the carrier ingredients; and each product, the carrier is customized for maximum absorption, so every ingredient in every product has a functional purpose.
 
sns8778 said:
I don't smell any scent with the Pregnenolone.

There is no added scent or fragrance with any of the XPG products. Any XPG product that has a smell to it, the smell is from the ingredients themselves or the carrier ingredients; and each product, the carrier is customized for maximum absorption, so every ingredient in every product has a functional purpose.
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Very interesting, got ur ab solved and gonna try your alpha gel with either Ursa gel or epicat
sns8778 said:
I don't smell any scent with the Pregnenolone.

There is no added scent or fragrance with any of the XPG products. Any XPG product that has a smell to it, the smell is from the ingredients themselves or the carrier ingredients; and each product, the carrier is customized for maximum absorption, so every ingredient in every product has a functional purpose.
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Interesting I just bought ur ab solved and I’m gonna definitely try your alpha gel with either Ursa gel or epicatichan gel

After my current run of 11kt / 7kt , ab solved , enclo , sustain alpha
 
Haterank74 said:
Very interesting, got ur ab solved and gonna try your alpha gel with either Ursa gel or epicat

Interesting I just bought ur ab solved and I’m gonna definitely try your alpha gel with either Ursa gel or epicatichan gel

After my current run of 11kt / 7kt , ab solved , enclo , sustain alpha
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I look forward to hearing how you like them.

Ab-Solved is great for targeting visceral fat.

Ursa-Gel is great for recomp.

Epicatechin Gel is a very overlooked and underrated product.
 
Haterank74 said:
Yeah DPS ships quick to .. how u run those x gels dose and length warnerve
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Yup, I am in VA and get my dps stuff within two days every time, they are great. Feels like they have shipped before I am done checking out lol

I am on my first ever x gels run now, I grabbed the two pack from dps for later because the deal was so good

I followed a lot of the advice in here - https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/the-arachidonic-acid-help-guide.246394/

I do preworkout on workout days only with some glycerol, I actually started down at 2 caps for a week to get used to the soreness then worked up to the full 4 a day over a few weeks. Don’t want to derail Steve’s thread too much but the stuff has been great, just feels like I’ve been slightly beating last week’s numbers on every single lift for a month now. I had two bottles so I’m going to run it until those run out.
 
warnerve said:
Yup, I am in VA and get my dps stuff within two days every time, they are great. Feels like they have shipped before I am done checking out lol

I am on my first ever x gels run now, I grabbed the two pack from dps for later because the deal was so good

I followed a lot of the advice in here - https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/the-arachidonic-acid-help-guide.246394/

I do preworkout on workout days only with some glycerol, I actually started down at 2 caps for a week to get used to the soreness then worked up to the full 4 a day over a few weeks. Don’t want to derail Steve’s thread too much but the stuff has been great, just feels like I’ve been slightly beating last week’s numbers on every single lift for a month now. I had two bottles so I’m going to run it until those run out.
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Thats awesome, yeah Steve is a good dude and wont mind lol ... Whats ur fav stack from them so far..
 
Have you ever considered making a bee product supplement? I would love to see a sns supplement containing apilarnil, pollen, propolis and royal jelly.

I would also like to see a orchic supplement, a lot of people seem to love it and there's almost no companies that sell it.
 
Shadowblaze said:
Have you ever considered making a bee product supplement? I would love to see a sns supplement containing apilarnil, pollen, propolis and royal jelly.

I would also like to see a orchic supplement, a lot of people seem to love it and there's almost no companies that sell it.
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Sounds like that product would create a lot of buzz 🐝
 
BigGame84 said:
A high dosed Tomatidine supplement? If it's not too expensive to be properly dosed.
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That ingredient is very expensive, and a big part of why is because the lack of commercial demand for it, so suppliers have to make it if/when someone wants it. And with the dosing being so low, a kg goes a long ways - which keeps down the # of kg's needed, which circles back to not being enough demand to make larger runs and then that keeps the price from ever coming down.

I hope that makes sense.

The reason that we haven't done a Tomatadine supplement is because I feel like it was good for the time period that it was introduced, but I feel like there are things that are so much better now that are less expensive. Like if we offered it, I could never tell anyone that they should pick it over Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, Alpha One, etc.
 
Shadowblaze said:
Have you ever considered making a bee product supplement? I would love to see a sns supplement containing apilarnil, pollen, propolis and royal jelly.

I would also like to see a orchic supplement, a lot of people seem to love it and there's almost no companies that sell it.
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The problem with doing an Orchic supplement is the huge range of price discrepancy between them. Some brands sell very high priced ones but then Swanson sells one for less than 5.00; and I think that most people in general buy the cheapest one like Swanson's.

I've never been asked for anything Bee related, but would be open to it if it were unique and different from the commodity ones. What would you have in mind?
 
sns8778 said:
The problem with doing an Orchic supplement is the huge range of price discrepancy between them. Some brands sell very high priced ones but then Swanson sells one for less than 5.00; and I think that most people in general buy the cheapest one like Swanson's.

I've never been asked for anything Bee related, but would be open to it if it were unique and different from the commodity ones. What would you have in mind?
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I remember reading articles on how apilarnil can be an alternative to trt for some people. Now granted that is just one study and it wasn't very conclusive. Apilarnil has some incredible testosterone boosting properties. Bee propolis is incredible for breathing, lung disorders, immune health, and covid. And royal jelly is also great for testosterone. The product I think would be cool is kind of a bee product multivitamin type thing.
 
Shadowblaze said:
I remember reading articles on how apilarnil can be an alternative to trt for some people. Now granted that is just one study and it wasn't very conclusive. Apilarnil has some incredible testosterone boosting properties. Bee propolis is incredible for breathing, lung disorders, immune health, and covid. And royal jelly is also great for testosterone. The product I think would be cool is kind of a bee product multivitamin type thing.
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lol at the TRT alternative hahaha
 
WickedWarlock said:
lol at the TRT alternative hahaha
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www.steroidal.com

Honey Bee Drone Milk Boosts Test & Anabolic - Steroidal.com

It has long been suspected in Eastern European countries that drone milk has an aphrodisiac effect. We look at the data supporting it boosting testosterone and being anabolic.
www.steroidal.com

Bee Pollen Improves Muscle Protein and Energy Metabolism in Malnourished Old Rats through Interfering with the Mtor Signaling Pathway and Mitochondrial Activity - PMC

Although the management of malnutrition is a priority in older people, this population shows a resistance to refeeding. Fresh bee pollen contains nutritional substances of interest for malnourished people. The aim was to evaluate the effect of fresh ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.mdpi.com

Apitherapy for Age-Related Skeletal Muscle Dysfunction (Sarcopenia): A Review on the Effects of Royal Jelly, Propolis, and Bee Pollen

The global pandemic of sarcopenia, skeletal muscle loss and weakness, which prevails in up to 50% of older adults is increasing worldwide due to the expansion of aging populations. It is now striking young and midlife adults as well because of sedentary lifestyle and increased intake of...
www.mdpi.com www.mdpi.com

Bee Pollen Improves Muscle Protein and Energy Metabolism in Malnourished Old Rats through Interfering with the Mtor Signaling Pathway and Mitochondrial Activity - PMC

Although the management of malnutrition is a priority in older people, this population shows a resistance to refeeding. Fresh bee pollen contains nutritional substances of interest for malnourished people. The aim was to evaluate the effect of fresh ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

...

I never said I fully believed its a trt alternative, I was just quoting a study. Here are some studies, bee products are great for overall health and testosterone. (Some of them may not load well, if you want to see the study just Google "apilarnil testosterone" and you should find a pdf with the study)
 
Shadowblaze said:

www.steroidal.com

Honey Bee Drone Milk Boosts Test & Anabolic - Steroidal.com

It has long been suspected in Eastern European countries that drone milk has an aphrodisiac effect. We look at the data supporting it boosting testosterone and being anabolic.
www.steroidal.com

Bee Pollen Improves Muscle Protein and Energy Metabolism in Malnourished Old Rats through Interfering with the Mtor Signaling Pathway and Mitochondrial Activity - PMC

Although the management of malnutrition is a priority in older people, this population shows a resistance to refeeding. Fresh bee pollen contains nutritional substances of interest for malnourished people. The aim was to evaluate the effect of fresh ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.mdpi.com

Apitherapy for Age-Related Skeletal Muscle Dysfunction (Sarcopenia): A Review on the Effects of Royal Jelly, Propolis, and Bee Pollen

The global pandemic of sarcopenia, skeletal muscle loss and weakness, which prevails in up to 50% of older adults is increasing worldwide due to the expansion of aging populations. It is now striking young and midlife adults as well because of sedentary lifestyle and increased intake of...
www.mdpi.com www.mdpi.com

Bee Pollen Improves Muscle Protein and Energy Metabolism in Malnourished Old Rats through Interfering with the Mtor Signaling Pathway and Mitochondrial Activity - PMC

Although the management of malnutrition is a priority in older people, this population shows a resistance to refeeding. Fresh bee pollen contains nutritional substances of interest for malnourished people. The aim was to evaluate the effect of fresh ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

...

I never said I fully believed its a trt alternative, I was just quoting a study. Here are some studies, bee products are great for overall health and testosterone. (Some of them may not load well, if you want to see the study just Google "apilarnil testosterone" and you should find a pdf with the study)
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Lmfao 🤣
 
WickedWarlock said:
lol at the TRT alternative hahaha
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WickedWarlock said:
Lmfao 🤣
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I think there may be a bit of a misunderstanding.

I'm not trying to speak for anyone, but I like you both, and I think that a question I asked may have resulted in an answer that was taken the wrong way.

I think he was more answering my question about ideas to make one unique.

He wasn't saying that it was a TRT alternative, he was just saying how he remembered some articles in the past that had presented it that way, and then provided the links to the articles and studies they referenced.

I think, and I could be wrong but this is how I took it, that he was just answering me as to that would be one way to make it unique - by further researching and possibly isolating or enhancing the Apilarnil content.

I think his interest in it in general was more related to the breathing and lung aspects of it.
 
Shadowblaze said:

www.steroidal.com

Honey Bee Drone Milk Boosts Test & Anabolic - Steroidal.com

It has long been suspected in Eastern European countries that drone milk has an aphrodisiac effect. We look at the data supporting it boosting testosterone and being anabolic.
www.steroidal.com

Bee Pollen Improves Muscle Protein and Energy Metabolism in Malnourished Old Rats through Interfering with the Mtor Signaling Pathway and Mitochondrial Activity - PMC

Although the management of malnutrition is a priority in older people, this population shows a resistance to refeeding. Fresh bee pollen contains nutritional substances of interest for malnourished people. The aim was to evaluate the effect of fresh ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.mdpi.com

Apitherapy for Age-Related Skeletal Muscle Dysfunction (Sarcopenia): A Review on the Effects of Royal Jelly, Propolis, and Bee Pollen

The global pandemic of sarcopenia, skeletal muscle loss and weakness, which prevails in up to 50% of older adults is increasing worldwide due to the expansion of aging populations. It is now striking young and midlife adults as well because of sedentary lifestyle and increased intake of...
www.mdpi.com www.mdpi.com

Bee Pollen Improves Muscle Protein and Energy Metabolism in Malnourished Old Rats through Interfering with the Mtor Signaling Pathway and Mitochondrial Activity - PMC

Although the management of malnutrition is a priority in older people, this population shows a resistance to refeeding. Fresh bee pollen contains nutritional substances of interest for malnourished people. The aim was to evaluate the effect of fresh ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

...

I never said I fully believed its a trt alternative, I was just quoting a study. Here are some studies, bee products are great for overall health and testosterone. (Some of them may not load well, if you want to see the study just Google "apilarnil testosterone" and you should find a pdf with the study)
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Thank you for the links.

I remember some of this, and if I'm not mistaken, I think there may have been 2 rounds of hype on this.

One about Apilarnil and the study on it.

And then another about some other studies, but if I remember correctly, there were just a ton of different forms, concentrations, extraction methods, etc. used and it made it hard to really piece together what was really the best.
 
Shadowblaze said:
I remember reading articles on how apilarnil can be an alternative to trt for some people. Now granted that is just one study and it wasn't very conclusive. Apilarnil has some incredible testosterone boosting properties. Bee propolis is incredible for breathing, lung disorders, immune health, and covid. And royal jelly is also great for testosterone. The product I think would be cool is kind of a bee product multivitamin type thing.
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I remember reading into Apilarnil back then and being concerned that it would/could increase other hormones as much as or instead of testosterone if it was isolated and dosed highly. I don't remember why now, but I remember that's why I didn't pursue it any further. There may be new info since then.

That could be interesting - multiple bee ingredients in one product.
 
NutButter said:
I'll second this, I used to use antaeus labs queen bee acid regularly when they offered it.
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I never saw much feedback on it.

It's been years since I've seen that available as a raw material. Something I'm glad to check into if enough people are interested.
 
i took queen bee acid dosed as recommended. nothing happened. dont remember what it was supposed to do. nowadays i would have tried 6x that dose before proclaiming it dead
 
thescience said:
i took queen bee acid dosed as recommended. nothing happened. dont remember what it was supposed to do. nowadays i would have tried 6x that dose before proclaiming it dead
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We try never to dose anything to where you would have to do 6x the suggested dose haha. But I see where you're coming from with that.
 
baldwanus said:
Recovery Fix, but as a powdered drink with flavors matching Focus XT? :unsure: :unsure:
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oh thatd be nice or to throw in new cough cough sns product lol

also if anyone interested its on 30% off
www.dpsnutrition.net

Muscle Addiction Recovery Fix - 120 Capsules

Do You Crave Improved Recovery & Decreased Soreness? Let’s Be Honest…. Being Sore Sucks!Decrease Muscle Soreness Train Harder, Longer, & More Intensely Improve Recovery Between Sets & Between Workouts1,500 mg. HICA600 mg. Palmitoylethanolamide500 mg. VitaSport Cherry50 mg. S750 mg. Senactiv50 mg
www.dpsnutrition.net www.dpsnutrition.net
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
oh thatd be nice or to throw in new cough cough sns product lol

also if anyone interested its on 30% off
www.dpsnutrition.net

Muscle Addiction Recovery Fix - 120 Capsules

Do You Crave Improved Recovery & Decreased Soreness? Let’s Be Honest…. Being Sore Sucks!Decrease Muscle Soreness Train Harder, Longer, & More Intensely Improve Recovery Between Sets & Between Workouts1,500 mg. HICA600 mg. Palmitoylethanolamide500 mg. VitaSport Cherry50 mg. S750 mg. Senactiv50 mg
www.dpsnutrition.net www.dpsnutrition.net
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My XT liquid 11 keto I left up by my window in kitchen gets cold , liquid was cloudy not clear , should I heat it up in hot water set bottle in a mind shake it up
 
Haterank74 said:
My XT liquid 11 keto I left up by my window in kitchen gets cold , liquid was cloudy not clear , should I heat it up in hot water set bottle in a mind shake it up
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i think you should be able to do that .. since i havent done it myself i really dont like to recommend anything i havent read or done it myself


no worries these genius below should be able to assisst us
@sns8778 @Segansational @Hyde can possibly answer it better for you
 
Haterank74 said:
My XT liquid 11 keto I left up by my window in kitchen gets cold , liquid was cloudy not clear , should I heat it up in hot water set bottle in a mind shake it up
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I like to get a bowl of piping hot water and set the bottle in it where the water is covering all of the liquid/gel, but not the top/opening. Can really help bring it back into solution.
 
Hyde said:
I like to get a bowl of piping hot water and set the bottle in it where the water is covering all of the liquid/gel, but not the top/opening. Can really help bring it back into solution.
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cool thanks def gonna try that i think it getting cold by my window pushed it out of carrer per say
 
baldwanus said:
Recovery Fix, but as a powdered drink with flavors matching Focus XT? :unsure: :unsure:
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I love Recovery Fix and think its one of the most underrated products in any of the brands.

I had thought about a powder with something similar at one time, but overall capsules sell better than powders for daily use supplements, and its one that needs to be used daily for best results.

Plus, legit HICA tastes pretty bad so it would be rough to flavor. I've been trying to flavor a formula for CEL that I want to have HICA in it, and its very challenging.
 
sns8778 said:
I love Recovery Fix and think its one of the most underrated products in any of the brands.

I had thought about a powder with something similar at one time, but overall capsules sell better than powders for daily use supplements, and its one that needs to be used daily for best results.

Plus, legit HICA tastes pretty bad so it would be rough to flavor. I've been trying to flavor a formula for CEL that I want to have HICA in it, and its very challenging.
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Will there be some overlap between this and Daily Gains? Curious to see what’s in that one.
 
warnerve said:
Will there be some overlap between this and Daily Gains? Curious to see what’s in that one.
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The CEL product I mentioned is only a thought for right now - bc it has several things in it that taste awful. It's one of those things where it would be a great product, but if we can't make it taste better than it does so far, there's no use making it because it wouldn't sell. We just started working on the flavor, so there's still hope.
 
Noticing BF deals popping up (which is a bit silly I know). When can we expect SNS BF sale going live? Just trying to be smart with my wallet and save till then lol
 
sns8778 said:
A November release is more likely.

I had hoped for an October release myself, but we have been so specific on the forms of so much that we are using in this that its just taken more time than I had thought; and there's been a ton of testing on raw materials to make sure that they hit specs.

Some people know that minerals require a certain amount of input to yield a certain amount of active yield, but most don't know that there are some vitamins that are the same way. So many finished products are labeled based off of input rather than yield, and the yields can vary from batch to batch of raws in some cases. That's why its so important to test every ingredient going into it or to work with a cm that is doing that themselves per batch.

This is one of those that getting it right took a little longer than I thought it was going to, but we wanted everything to be 100% correct.
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Is the multivitamin still releasing soon?
 
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