Nac
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Well damn that sounds perfect lol
Im guessing it will stack nicely with your other fat loss products?
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Well damn that sounds perfect lol
Im guessing it will stack nicely with your other fat loss products?
Nac
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This product has me real curious. Would it be something you could run much more longer term than a traditional fat burner?
unitas27
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I like the sound of this.
sns8778
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I like the sound of this.
The science behind this is really cool. It's one of those things where the science side of me wants to go into a super deep dive on the write up, but then I get so little interaction and engagement on the science deep dives anymore, that I'm not sure if its worth going super in depth with. Which even not going in super in depth, my regular write ups still go into a lot of detail.
To give you an idea of how cool and intricate this one is, this was one that I ran the idea for by Par and even he was excited about it and some of the ingredients and how the science fit together.
sns8778
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I thought about it - but the problem with that is honestly a lot of people say they want a high potency fish oil but then they complain if it isn't as cheap as the most basic cheapest grade fish oil available.
Whenever you see the debate on fish oil and people get mad about many not meeting label claims or cutting corners on raw materials, 99% of the time its the brands claiming to offer a high potency one but at cheap prices that you'll see the issues with.
I would love to be able to offer one, but if we did one, we would do it correctly and then I could see people complaining bc Johns Doe's generic (that wouldn't meet label claims anyway) was cheaper.
I may would still do one, just explaining why we haven't and why there would be a lot of other things in front of it priority wise.
I would love to make an Algal Oil myself. I use a lot of that rather than Fish Oil.
slimsaw00
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All of that makes sense! Maybe I’m a minimalist enough that fish oil is one that I don’t mind spending a little on. I get your perspective to it though.
sns8778
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All of that makes sense! Maybe I’m a minimalist enough that fish oil is one that I don’t mind spending a little on. I get your perspective to it though.
I'm the same way in the sense that I'm not going to buy the improper type or potency of something; I'm either going to buy the correct type or potency or not get it at all.
I think some people just buy the cheapest thing possible with some things like that and I think that a lot of people look at all of it as '1 gram of fish oil' rather than looking at the makeup of that 1 gram - as in not realizing that it could be 1 gram of high potency with a great EPA and DHA content or 1 gram of junk with next to no EPA and DHA in it, and them not realizing that its not the fish oil itself, but the amount of EPA and DHA that makes the difference.
slimsaw00
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Are benefits seen at 2g combined EPA/DHA and above? I’m around 1.6/2.4 combined per day.
sns8778
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I think that it really depends on the person.
There are benefits that may be helping that you can't feel at less than that, but that would be about the range for being able to feel them for most people.
BigGame84
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Yes, I will be purchasing multiple bottles.
BigGame84
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Ok, it's already on the site. Will there be a sale code for launch?
Madevilz
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Ursa-Bolic is in brahs
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sammpedd88
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Can’t wait!
sns8778
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Yes, there will be. The code will be ursa20
That will work on the single units and the 3 bottle, 6 bottle, and 12 bottle multi-packs.
I have one more thing to add to the site for it and then will do a launch thread.
Madevilz
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Grabbing a 3pack to stack with Alpha One and Epiplex. Sweet.
Resolve10
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Super excited for this. I honestly haven’t loved all the Ursolic acid ingredients a ton, but I did enjoy Ursa Gel last year.
Thinking maybe long term dosing for some health benefits, but maybe a heavy dosage run for my next stack. Looking for some recomp, recovery, and endurance in a heavy endurance cycle so this seems right up that alley.
Thinking maybe long term dosing for some health benefits, but maybe a heavy dosage run for my next stack. Looking for some recomp, recovery, and endurance in a heavy endurance cycle so this seems right up that alley.
BigGame84
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Just placed an order for a 6-pack.
sns8778
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I'm looking forward to your feedback. I hope that you'll enjoy it.
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Ursa-Bolic Intro Thread:
Ursa-Bolic is an advanced recomposition agent that can be used to promote lean muscle and strength gains, burn fat, and improve enhanced body-composition.
Ursa-Bolic may also have a wide variety of general health...
Ursa-Bolic
Ursolic Acid Phytosome
Lean Muscle, Strength, Fat Loss, & Improved Body-Composition
Advanced Recomposition Agent
Ursolic Acid Phytosome
155 Mg. Ursolic Acid Per Capsule
Ursa-Bolic is an advanced recomposition agent that can be used to promote lean muscle and strength gains, burn fat, and improve enhanced body-composition.
Ursa-Bolic may also have a wide variety of general health...
unitas27
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Sounds interesting. I can't wait to discuss the ingredients! This could be very popular with all the GLP-1 mania these days. Looking forward to hearing more.
unitas27
Active member
Sounds interesting. I can't wait to discuss the ingredients! This could be very popular with all the GLP
Ursa-Bolic Intro Thread:
Ursa-Bolic Ursolic Acid Phytosome
Lean Muscle, Strength, Fat Loss, & Improved Body-Composition
Advanced Recomposition Agent
Ursolic Acid Phytosome155 Mg. Ursolic Acid Per Capsule
Ursa-Bolic is an advanced recomposition agent that can be used to promote lean muscle and strength gains, burn fat, and improve enhanced body-composition.
Ursa-Bolic may also have a wide variety of general health...
Ursa-Bolic
Ursolic Acid Phytosome
Lean Muscle, Strength, Fat Loss, & Improved Body-Composition
Advanced Recomposition Agent
Ursolic Acid Phytosome
155 Mg. Ursolic Acid Per Capsule
Ursa-Bolic is an advanced recomposition agent that can be used to promote lean muscle and strength gains, burn fat, and improve enhanced body-composition.
Ursa-Bolic may also have a wide variety of general health...
Very cool Steve. Definitely grabbing some. Ursolic Acid has many benefits that go beyond body recomp, such as reducing oxidative stress and improving insulin sensitivity. It's nice to see a Phytosome product developed by someone other than Indena for once, lol.
sns8778
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Sounds interesting. I can't wait to discuss the ingredients! This could be very popular with all the GLP
Ursa-Bolic Ursolic Acid Phytosome
Lean Muscle, Strength, Fat Loss, & Improved Body-Composition
Advanced Recomposition Agent
Ursolic Acid Phytosome155 Mg. Ursolic Acid Per Capsule
Ursa-Bolic is an advanced recomposition agent that can be used to promote lean muscle and strength gains, burn fat, and improve enhanced body-composition.
Ursa-Bolic may also have a wide variety of general health...
Very cool Steve. Definitely grabbing some. Ursolic Acid has many benefits that go beyond body recomp, such as reducing oxidative stress and improving insulin sensitivity. It's nice to see a Phytosome product developed by someone other than Indena for once, lol.
Thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback on Ursa-Bolic.
And I'm excited for Lean GLP. The science is very good and very in depth and its a product that will work through a lot of different pathways. It's very much of a 'science, not a sales pitch' type of product.
sns8778
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I'll be glad to do one if that's something you'd like to see.
We did a discounted Recomp20 + Ursa-Bolic stack.
I will try to get Ursa-Bolic + Anabolic XT and an Ursa-Bolic, Anabolic XT, + Recomp20 stack added tomorrow.
thescience
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i ordered some Ursa-bolic. as a serial ursolic acid non-responder, this is definitely a worthy challenge. im a huge fan of well-done liposomal ingredients. id like to see a liposomal nad+ from SNS
unitas27
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Splitting hairs here, but Ursa-Bolic is a Phytosome, not a Liposomal delivery system. Similar in principle, but still distinctly different. Phytosomes are compounds that a literally bonded with a phosolipid to create a matrix, whereas liposomes are not bound but "encased" and can actually leak out ot the phosolipid cavity making them unstable and inferior delivery systems.
Moreover, Phytosomes can be smaller in size than liposomes, and generally have better absorption and bioavailability over them. In addition, Liposomes can only deliver water-soluble compounds, whereas Phytosomes can deliver both water and fat soluble ingredients
These are just a couple of the differences. But yeah, the science behind both delivery systems is fairly interesting if you're ever bored and enjoy reading about the science behind them.
sns8778
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My post in the Ursa-Bolic Thread about the Phytosomal deception applies to Liposomal things too - true Liposomal or Phytosomal products are so costly to make and do right and then you have brands that will do them as basically a prop blend with NAD+ & Phosphatidylcholine for example and sell them cheaper than it would cost to make a real one in some cases.
sns8778
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Here is the post I was referring to - its about phytosomes, but the principle applies to supposed liposomal delivery as well. It's a big reason you don't see companies do more real phytosomal and liposomal supplements, because of brands just doing the non complexed ones that are glorified prop blends. It makes the companies doing the legitimate ones seem overpriced in comparison and is deceiving as hell to consumers.
The Great Phytosomal Deception:
Phytosomal vs. Non-Phytosomal Phosphatidylcholine:
The use of phosphatidylcholine in supplement ingredients, paired with misleading claims of phytosomal delivery, represents a significant issue in the supplement industry.
This is an issue with many dietary supplement ingredients including Quercetin, Berberine, Curcumin, & more.
Some brands include phosphatidylcholine in the list of ingredients but fail to provide genuine phytosomal delivery. Instead, they use phosphatidylcholine in a basic, unbound form, which doesn’t deliver the intended benefits of a true phytosomal complex. By highlighting the phosphatidylcholine prominently, some brands create a façade of advanced delivery without the accompanying efficacy.
Phytosomal vs. Non-Phytosomal Phosphatidylcholine:
- True Phytosomal Delivery: Involves a phosphatidylcholine molecule that forms a complex with or encases an active ingredient, enhancing its absorption.
- Basic Phosphatidylcholine: Simply included as a stand-alone ingredient without complexing it with other nutrients, offering no enhanced delivery benefits.
Terms like “phytosomal” may be used loosely or inaccurately, creating confusion among consumers who assume that any presence of phosphatidylcholine indicates a true phytosomal delivery system.
Just because an ingredient appears on a label with phosphatidylcholine, it does not mean that it is a true phytosomal, it may in many cases simply be a proprietary blend that is all for show and marketing and to help some brands increase their profit margins.
UrsoSORB™ is a true Ursolic Acid Phytosome.
unitas27
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You know, Im shocked me haven't seen an Apigenin Phytosome yet.
Anything that falls within the catechin/flavonoid/polyphenol category would benefit greatly with Phytosome technology as they generally all suffer bioavailability issues. However, bioperine and Astragin help overcome that hurdle somewhat and I believe Epi-Plex has bioperine.
Resolve10
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Maybe splitting hairs, but honestly we probably need more nuanced takes and understandings when addressing things like this so that people stop completely missing the point of what is actually going on with things sometimes. Good post.
thescience
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It was an important distinction. I misworded it; ive been a fan of pytosomes since i came across greenselect eons ago. I also love liposomal but i only know of one company that has gotten it right, and even then ive encountered degradation issues. Ive tried making my own liposomal ingredients using a jewelry cleaner and degradation occurs in like two days, which was a huge pain. If sns is going to start embracing this tech, the gloves are coming off because your average company that does improve absorption via phytosome has historically then skimped on the dosage to the point where the efficacy still isnt thereMaybe splitting hairs, but honestly we probably need more nuanced takes and understandings when addressing things like this so that people stop completely missing the point of what is actually going on with things sometimes. Good post.
sns8778
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I don't think there's any need to.
Almost everything could benefit from advanced absorption, but not everything would need to be made a phytosomal. But the absorption of Epicatechin really isn't bad to begin with. The dosage suggestion on regular simply takes it into account and using Bioperine in Epi-Plex is how we choose to target enhanced absorption of it.
Doing a true phytosomal Epicatechin would make it much more expensive and not deliver any better results imo.
sns8778
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I've seen some discussion of an Apigenin phytosome but there are so many studies on regular Apigenin, most of which are done at a very low dose, that I don't think there's really any need for it. Just meaning that if they're seeing such great results in studies at as low as 50 mg., then I don't think there's any reason to do a phytosome version.
It wouldn't surprise me if someone claims to and goes the Apigenin + phosphatidylcholine proprietary blend route trying to trick people into thinking they have a real phytosome one, but it would surprise me if anyone ever does a real phytosome one bc I don't think its needed.
I'm definitely open to more phytosomes in the future, but I never want to do any of them as a sales pitch - I only want to do them when they are truly needed or a must bc doing them properly and correctly is very expensive.
Good statement on Bioperine and AstraGin, as they help with absorption issues on a lot of things. People see them so much now that its like they're desensitized to them in that they don't realize how much they really do help.
sns8778
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Hoping it will be in within the next few weeks.
sns8778
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I agree that the many companies that do improve absorption via phytosomes go so low on the dosing that it offsets and really doesn't matter.
However, the average company that claims to use phytosomes doesn't use a real phytosome anyway, they just add phosphatidylcholine and use wordplay to try to trick consumers.
I've seen some companies claim to do this 'themselves' - there's a big difference in playing science oneself and trying to make a small amount themselves with zero quality oversight and no stability testing versus actually having a commercially viable form that is going to stay stable. The stability testing alone costs a lot of money.
I don't fault brands for not doing it because it will be several batches before a brand would even break even on the money spent just on the development and stability testing if done properly. I do blame brands that make the absolute BS claims of doing things themselves and claiming things are real phytosomes and not doing any type of stability testing or any testing at all bc I think that is extremely misleading to consumers.
sns8778
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Thank you for the suggestion.
I've read some on it, but its not something I would really be interested in using in anything.
When if comes to the 'advanced MCT' family of ingredients, there are other ones that I'm much more interested in than that one. Not trying to be intentionally vague, I can post more on that one soon, but discussing it would be incredibly detailed and I'm only able to do a check the forum here and there type of thing at the moment bc of a family situation.
Riptor
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Is there any chance of a product that can bind to fat (in particular saturated fat) taken in a cheat meal or with cheese (or any other saturated fatty foods) taken during a keto diet so it minimises any calories stored, yet unlike Chitosan, it doesn’t remove vitamins A, C, K, D & E ? Probably an advanced version of Chitosan to accomplish this that can be stacked with GlucoVantage XT ?
thescience
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Hyde
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Yes it does, and it’s dirt cheap already. There’s no reason someone can’t always just take whatever they need orally for pennies a day.
sns8778
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I don't know that it would be possible for something to target fat absorption without also impairing the absorption or storage of fat soluble vitamins. Although I don't think Chitosan really impairs them as bad as some claim.
In general on keto though, the fat is usually taken in intentionally so I'm not sure if it would be ideal for it not to be utilized; but I know different people have different ways of doing keto.