Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2024 Edition)
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thescience
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It was an important distinction. I misworded it; ive been a fan of pytosomes since i came across greenselect eons ago. I also love liposomal but i only know of one company that has gotten it right, and even then ive encountered degradation issues. Ive tried making my own liposomal ingredients using a jewelry cleaner and degradation occurs in like two days, which was a huge pain. If sns is going to start embracing this tech, the gloves are coming off because your average company that does improve absorption via phytosome has historically then skimped on the dosage to the point where the efficacy still isnt thereMaybe splitting hairs, but honestly we probably need more nuanced takes and understandings when addressing things like this so that people stop completely missing the point of what is actually going on with things sometimes. Good post.
sns8778
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I don't think there's any need to.
Almost everything could benefit from advanced absorption, but not everything would need to be made a phytosomal. But the absorption of Epicatechin really isn't bad to begin with. The dosage suggestion on regular simply takes it into account and using Bioperine in Epi-Plex is how we choose to target enhanced absorption of it.
Doing a true phytosomal Epicatechin would make it much more expensive and not deliver any better results imo.
sns8778
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I've seen some discussion of an Apigenin phytosome but there are so many studies on regular Apigenin, most of which are done at a very low dose, that I don't think there's really any need for it. Just meaning that if they're seeing such great results in studies at as low as 50 mg., then I don't think there's any reason to do a phytosome version.
It wouldn't surprise me if someone claims to and goes the Apigenin + phosphatidylcholine proprietary blend route trying to trick people into thinking they have a real phytosome one, but it would surprise me if anyone ever does a real phytosome one bc I don't think its needed.
I'm definitely open to more phytosomes in the future, but I never want to do any of them as a sales pitch - I only want to do them when they are truly needed or a must bc doing them properly and correctly is very expensive.
Good statement on Bioperine and AstraGin, as they help with absorption issues on a lot of things. People see them so much now that its like they're desensitized to them in that they don't realize how much they really do help.
sns8778
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Hoping it will be in within the next few weeks.
sns8778
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I agree that the many companies that do improve absorption via phytosomes go so low on the dosing that it offsets and really doesn't matter.
However, the average company that claims to use phytosomes doesn't use a real phytosome anyway, they just add phosphatidylcholine and use wordplay to try to trick consumers.
I've seen some companies claim to do this 'themselves' - there's a big difference in playing science oneself and trying to make a small amount themselves with zero quality oversight and no stability testing versus actually having a commercially viable form that is going to stay stable. The stability testing alone costs a lot of money.
I don't fault brands for not doing it because it will be several batches before a brand would even break even on the money spent just on the development and stability testing if done properly. I do blame brands that make the absolute BS claims of doing things themselves and claiming things are real phytosomes and not doing any type of stability testing or any testing at all bc I think that is extremely misleading to consumers.
sns8778
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Thank you for the suggestion.
I've read some on it, but its not something I would really be interested in using in anything.
When if comes to the 'advanced MCT' family of ingredients, there are other ones that I'm much more interested in than that one. Not trying to be intentionally vague, I can post more on that one soon, but discussing it would be incredibly detailed and I'm only able to do a check the forum here and there type of thing at the moment bc of a family situation.
Riptor
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Is there any chance of a product that can bind to fat (in particular saturated fat) taken in a cheat meal or with cheese (or any other saturated fatty foods) taken during a keto diet so it minimises any calories stored, yet unlike Chitosan, it doesn’t remove vitamins A, C, K, D & E ? Probably an advanced version of Chitosan to accomplish this that can be stacked with GlucoVantage XT ?
thescience
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Hyde
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Yes it does, and it’s dirt cheap already. There’s no reason someone can’t always just take whatever they need orally for pennies a day.
sns8778
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I don't know that it would be possible for something to target fat absorption without also impairing the absorption or storage of fat soluble vitamins. Although I don't think Chitosan really impairs them as bad as some claim.
In general on keto though, the fat is usually taken in intentionally so I'm not sure if it would be ideal for it not to be utilized; but I know different people have different ways of doing keto.
Hyde
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It’s just a “tactical pivot”Brainstorming for what I’ll run for big change up in November (yes I realize it’s not October yet).
I predict whatever I plan today will change with some sort of new release by the time I want to start.
Danksta710
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Brainstorming for what I’ll run for big change up in November (yes I realize it’s not October yet).
I predict whatever I plan today will change with some sort of new release by the time I want to start.
Tough decisions.
For me in Jan, I want to do the following while still running 6 caps of Urolithin B...
2 caps 2x daily Ursa-Bolic
1 cap Alpha One
12 weeks.
By the time this is over Basis might be out.
Johnanthab178
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Overkill to stack alpha one with epi plex? The pump is already insane with epi almost hurts in way lol.
GQdaLEGEND
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nope def not overkill .. we should see alot of diff stacks with alpha one coming up
i have my own plans w/ PAxt + primeXT + alphaone
now im debating on picking up epi too lol
GQdaLEGEND
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my memory popped up today .. cant wait to stock up again
sns8778
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Not overkill. I think they would make for a great stack.
Definitely great for pumps, but I think its an excellent stack for body-composition and muscular endurance too.
Hyde
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This post reminded me that Focus XT is going to come back around again into my life…the future’s looking bright, gents!
sns8778
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A November release is more likely.
I had hoped for an October release myself, but we have been so specific on the forms of so much that we are using in this that its just taken more time than I had thought; and there's been a ton of testing on raw materials to make sure that they hit specs.
Some people know that minerals require a certain amount of input to yield a certain amount of active yield, but most don't know that there are some vitamins that are the same way. So many finished products are labeled based off of input rather than yield, and the yields can vary from batch to batch of raws in some cases. That's why its so important to test every ingredient going into it or to work with a cm that is doing that themselves per batch.
This is one of those that getting it right took a little longer than I thought it was going to, but we wanted everything to be 100% correct.
GQdaLEGEND
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ohh yea, start a day with focusXT .. tasks become easy peasyThis post reminded me that Focus XT is going to come back around again into my life…the future’s looking bright, gents!
sns8778
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Doing some major house renovations and therefore tons of cleaning. Wasn’t sure where to post this, but massive stash of old bottles. I should have been cutting out UPC as they went into the stash bc idk if I have the energy for this anymore haha
Also unsure how many years of stuff this is…some old products in here.
Time for some new stuff.
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I'm looking so forward to Energized Aminos being back in stock.
People can send a box of the bottles in if they don't feel like cutting out the codes. It's actually easier for us that way, we just give the option to cut them out bc its cheaper on shipping on the person sending them in.
AknowledgeMe
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Doing some major house renovations and therefore tons of cleaning. Wasn’t sure where to post this, but massive stash of old bottles. I should have been cutting out UPC as they went into the stash bc idk if I have the energy for this anymore haha
Also unsure how many years of stuff this is…some old products in here.
Time for some new stuff.
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Any idea why all pics are showing up as broken links ?
sns8778
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Am is undergoing site upgrades and its causing a lot of pictures and links to show up as invalid. The Admin is trying to fix them but its a massive process.
AknowledgeMe
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Metabolic XT?
WickedWarlock
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sns8778
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Prostate Support XT is in the production process now. I would hope within 6 to 8 weeks or so.
I had hoped to have it out by now, it just got bumped back by a few things having to be put in front of it.
sns8778
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I'll be glad to answer you.
First, I want to emphasize that Pepti-Plex is properly dosed and is a great product at the suggested use.
But yes, there would be additional benefits at higher dosages. I've done that myself and really like it.
Pepti-Plex for me, at normal dosages, is a year round supplement for the muscle health and longevity properties. When I was training properly I had ran a higher dose and loved it and as soon as I get back to training properly, I will be doing that again.
sns8778
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Are you making a name suggestion or were you asking for an update on something?
We do have a fat loss product that will be named Metabolic Xtreme due out Q1 of next year.
We also have Lean GLP that will be out within the next 2 months.
We already have a large selection of fat loss products - Lean Edge, Thermagize XT, Thermo Scorch, Reduce XT, Lipo Elite, LipoVantage, etc.
AknowledgeMe
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I was looking at one of your products and said it can be stacked with Metabolic XT
sns8778
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Are you sure it didn't say Metabolic Xtreme?
If it says Metabolic XT on one of them, please let me know which so I can check that myself.
sns8778
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I agree. I think that 4 caps is a great dose. I do think that going higher can be beneficial for people doing split sessions, very intense training, and/or people in my situation that have muscle health issues - like for me, I have an autoimmune condition that causes muscle weakness and aching and severe damage in my leg from my accident. Pepti-Plex has been fantastic for that.
sns8778
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I've looked into it awhile back, but you're the first person that's asked me about it.
Business wise, when I had checked on it in the past, the patent holder was said to have an exclusive with one particular company on PS128 and it was absolutely awful how much that company was overcharging for it - one of the worst just taking advantage of people situations I've ever seen in 20 years in this industry.
I'm not sure if that's changed bc I haven't looked into it in a long time.
I do remember that's why it seemed companies were going with generic Lactobacillus plantarum at the time.
I'll be glad to look more into it and refresh on it. From what you've looked at, does that still seem to be the case?
Ape McGrapes
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How are flavored powdered products looking?
sns8778
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The only recent delay was the shrink sleeve labels. We lost probably 2 weeks bc the containers had to be re-measured and label sizes adjusted slightly. Shrink sleeves look great graphically but they're a nightmare bc even being a mm off can make them fit poorly. And one would think that a 20 oz. container would be the same size across different brands, but they vary slightly.
Focus XT, Energized Aminos, and Daily Gains should all be finished up in the next few weeks I hope.
Then the next round of flavored powders will go into production.
LucasBagoDoce
Member
Oh, how I’ve missed you, Focus XT 
Synapsin
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Probably my favourite supplement ever. I went through so many tubsOh, how I’ve missed you, Focus XT
Jiigzz
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Me too. I would have continued if shipping rates didn't increase so much between the US and NZ
sns8778
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I wish that we could, but the FDA has been very clear about Phenibut.
I never used it much myself, but it sold well so I miss it from a business standpoint.
Phenibut was always hit or miss for me personally - it either didn't help me sleep or it knocked me out - and either way, I felt like a zombie in the morning.
I like EZGABA better myself (that we use in Sleep Support XT and Growth Factor XT) bc I sleep great, have cool dreams, and wake up feeling refreshed.
sns8778
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There are a couple very minor changes.
All of the existing flavors will be restocked and then there will be 2 new flavors in the regular and 1 new stim free flavor.