Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2024 Edition)

[AknowledgeMe]

Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.

edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve

I’m snipped so no worries

 

[sns8778]

Hey Steve, any possibility of seeing Calebin A(Curcousin) being released under SNS as a single ingredient supplement?

I haven't had any requests for it as a single ingredient, but there are products in the works already that will contain it.

I have a great relationship with Sabinsa and have discussed this ingredient with them a lot since the early research on it.

 

[sns8778]

Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.

edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve

Ha. I know I had told you congratulations, but wasn't sure if I told you a funny part on that, that when I was over a youth group for years and mentored several kids, 2 of them were twins. They were awesome and hilarious. I did pretty much everything for them that a dad would do from the time they were 9 until they were adults. I'm still great friends with them and super proud of them.

 

[NutButter]

I haven't had any requests for it as a single ingredient, but there are products in the works already that will contain it.

I have a great relationship with Sabinsa and have discussed this ingredient with them a lot since the early research on it.

Nice! Any rough eta on any of the products containing curcousin?

 

[sns8778]

Nice! Any rough eta on any of the products containing curcousin?

My best guess would be within 12 weeks, but it could be a lot sooner.

It's in the production process, labels are done, etc.

We have so many products that we may have 50+ PO's in at any one time, and that sometimes means that prioritizing existing products and keeping them in stock may push back new release ones.

My goal is to have it by Black Friday by I'm not 100% sure.

I'm curious - what are you hoping to use it for?

My reason for asking is to create conversation on the ingredient for anyone that may not know about it. I've actually followed more of the science side than the marketing side of it, so I'm curious what interest its getting bc it can be used for several different purposes.

 

[Hyde]

Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.

edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve

“Optimize T - It’s pregnancy in a bottle!”

 

[N2ofusion]

My best guess would be within 12 weeks, but it could be a lot sooner.

It's in the production process, labels are done, etc.

We have so many products that we may have 50+ PO's in at any one time, and that sometimes means that prioritizing existing products and keeping them in stock may push back new release ones.

My goal is to have it by Black Friday by I'm not 100% sure.

I'm curious - what are you hoping to use it for?

My reason for asking is to create conversation on the ingredient for anyone that may not know about it. I've actually followed more of the science side than the marketing side of it, so I'm curious what interest its getting bc it can be used for several different purposes.

What, exactly, is it used for or supposed to do?

I saw it in the label for one other product (which I’ll leave anonymous), which intrigued me since I’d never heard of it before, but I couldn’t find much information about it. I think even Sabinsa keeps some of their information proprietary to customers (?) as I’ve checked their website many times and don’t see much info.

 

[NutButter]

My best guess would be within 12 weeks, but it could be a lot sooner.

It's in the production process, labels are done, etc.

We have so many products that we may have 50+ PO's in at any one time, and that sometimes means that prioritizing existing products and keeping them in stock may push back new release ones.

My goal is to have it by Black Friday by I'm not 100% sure.

I'm curious - what are you hoping to use it for?

My reason for asking is to create conversation on the ingredient for anyone that may not know about it. I've actually followed more of the science side than the marketing side of it, so I'm curious what interest its getting bc it can be used for several different purposes.

I've been buying it direct from Sabinsa's own brand (afi) because of its many uses. Anti cancer being the number 1 reason but increasing metabolism, anti inflammation and glucose control are some neat results from Calebin A too.

 

[sns8778]

I've been buying it direct from Sabinsa's own brand (afi) because of its many uses. Anti cancer being the number 1 reason but increasing metabolism, anti inflammation and glucose control are some neat results from Calebin A too.

I think it may be a good anti-cancer ingredient, and especially would be with high dose Apigenin.

I think it goes well in products for metabolism. It's not something I would get super excited for as a single ingredient for fat loss, but I think it goes great with certain other ingredients that work via certain pathways.

It will be a fat loss formula that will be the first product type that we will be using it in.

 

[sns8778]

What, exactly, is it used for or supposed to do?

I saw it in the label for one other product (which I’ll leave anonymous), which intrigued me since I’d never heard of it before, but I couldn’t find much information about it. I think even Sabinsa keeps some of their information proprietary to customers (?) as I’ve checked their website many times and don’t see much info.

It is a curcumin analog. Invalid Link Removed

It has some interesting potential for metabolic health, lipids, etc.

I think it has the potential to be a good ingredient, but I'm concerned that some brands are already going a bit over the top with the marketing on it and I'm worried that that might create a situation where some won't be pleased with it because they may have unrealistic expectations of it.

I think that is is a good health ingredient and I think it can be a great addition to a well-formulated fat loss product, but I think that's the key - if using it for fat loss, I think its a good ingredient as part of an already great formula, not something I would get super excited for on its own for that purpose. Not meaning that negatively, I think that certain other ingredients can lay the foundation for it to work a lot better in terms of fat loss.

The fat loss product that we will be using it in has 8 ingredients including 7 branded ingredients, and I think it will be an excellent addition to that formula bc everything in that formula is meant to work together extremely well.

 

[Resolve10]

Interesting, I ended up reading a bit after the first post and was going to say fat loss product, so I am intrigued by where it ends up appearing in the line up.

 

[AknowledgeMe]

Do we know what website will have the new Topicals at first since XPG doesn’t have a website.

 

[BigGame84]

Do we know what website will have the new Topicals at first since XPG doesn’t have a website.

DPS has them in stock now. But I need to see a write up because I'm confused what the difference is between the two.

 

[sns8778]

DPS has them in stock now. But I need to see a write up because I'm confused what the difference is between the two.

They will get the write up listed within the next day or two.

I'll do an intro thread whenever the forum is acting right. There are some updates happening and I don't want to do half an intro thread and then not be able to edit or add the rest of it or have something happen.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Can we get Palmitoylethanolamide in a transdermal?

 

[Riptor]

They will get the write up listed within the next day or two.

I'll do an intro thread whenever the forum is acting right. There are some updates happening and I don't want to do half an intro thread and then not be able to edit or add the rest of it or have something happen.

Well worth the wait ! - I think this intro thread would shed a lot of light on the specific usage of each and what we can expect when they are stacked.

Could you also elaborate on the expected absorption rate of each so, if we did want to apply it before a cardio work out, we’ll know how long to wait before it fully absorbed to avid sweating it out?

I’m also really hoping there is an super effective dose of Yohimbine HCL per pump (From what I noticed the original Lipoderm had 12.5 mg YHCL per pump) since the delivery matrix will have to suspend and transfer this and a a lot more ingredients through the skin.

 

[sns8778]

Well worth the wait ! - I think this intro thread would shed a lot of light on the specific usage of each and what we can expect when they are stacked.

Could you also elaborate on the expected absorption rate of each so, if we did want to apply it before a cardio work out, we’ll know how long to wait before it fully absorbed to avid sweating it out?

I’m also really hoping there is an super effective dose of Yohimbine HCL per pump (From what I noticed the original Lipoderm had 12.5 mg YHCL per pump) since the delivery matrix will have to suspend and transfer this and a a lot more ingredients through the skin.

I believe that you may be thinking about Lipoderm-Y rather than Lipoderm Ultra.

I don't know that they ever disclosed the exact amount of Yohimbine in Lipoderm Ultra. I may be wrong, but if they did, I don't remember it. I remember them generally disclosing the dosages of the single ingredient ones but not of the formulation ones.

For anyone expecting an old school Avant Labs type deep dive, that's not going to happen bc its not allowed to happen with topicals in today's world bc many of the in depth pieces that Avant used to present would be considered as making 'claims' now days. That's why many topical products come with little or no write ups now days.

There will be an FAQ document that will come later, possibly later this week that will go into a little more depth than the write ups, but it will not go into any category or explanation of anything that could be considered a 'claim'. For anything related to a deep dive sense like that, a simple answer is that these are updated versions of the original Avant Labs products so the same science would still generally apply + more.

We're glad to answer all the questions that we can, but it doesn't do anyone any good if we go super-sciencey and something winds up constituted as a 'claim' and leads to not being able to offer them. I hope that makes sense.

 

[sns8778]

Can we get Palmitoylethanolamide in a transdermal?

It has been talked about and experimented with, but it is not an ideal ingredient for a td. We may attempt to make it work in one at some point, but it would likely be to experiment with and see if could tell a difference anyway.

Plus, the way that it works, it builds up in your system for best results.

 

[Hyde]

It has been talked about and experimented with, but it is not an ideal ingredient for a td. We may attempt to make it work in one at some point, but it would likely be to experiment with and see if could tell a difference anyway.

Plus, the way that it works, it builds up in your system for best results.

FWIW, I think PEA works great & is convenient as is in a capsule. Really like that product, Steve. Seems like the occasional scalp psoriasis that I get has been exceptionally minimal since incorporating it twice/day for some months now.

 

[sns8778]

FWIW, I think PEA works great & is convenient as is in a capsule. Really like that product, Steve. Seems like the occasional scalp psoriasis that I get has been exceptionally minimal since incorporating it twice/day for some months now.

I'm really glad to hear that its helping with that, and I agree, I like it in capsule form.

I think the first glance appeal of the idea of this being in a td is the thought that it may help with site inflammation, but that's not really the way that it works. It works by building up in the system. I think for any type of site inflammation, CurcuPrime Gel is great.

What makes an ingredient a good or not good candidate for a td can be super complicated and confusing. A lot of people oversimplify it to just molecular weight, but that's only a starting point. Something can have the correct mw but still not be a good candidate for a variety of reasons.

We had discussed this at one time and its something we may play around with at some point to see if we could get it to work in a td, but it's not a simple one in this case.

I was telling someone awhile back that wanted to add some of this to CurcuPrime Gel that just because you get it to mix, doesn't mean you get it to absorb properly or perform properly.

I think that some people that are newer and don't know of or remember Avant don't know how much science goes into the Avant carriers and how they are customized per product and per ingredient. Par/Caleb is a genius on stuff like that.

 

[sns8778]

Well worth the wait ! - I think this intro thread would shed a lot of light on the specific usage of each and what we can expect when they are stacked.

Could you also elaborate on the expected absorption rate of each so, if we did want to apply it before a cardio work out, we’ll know how long to wait before it fully absorbed to avid sweating it out?

I’m also really hoping there is an super effective dose of Yohimbine HCL per pump (From what I noticed the original Lipoderm had 12.5 mg YHCL per pump) since the delivery matrix will have to suspend and transfer this and a a lot more ingredients through the skin.

I looked over the dosages of the formulas and while I'm not going to give specific numbers as to the amount of YHCI in either of them, I'll tell you that based on what you're hoping for, you'll be happy with either one of them

 

[Resolve10]

Looks like new fat loss gels are popping in stock.

Write ups should be right around the corner. I’m pretty intrigued about using them eventually.

 

[Segansational]

Looks like new fat loss gels are popping in stock.

Write ups should be right around the corner. I’m pretty intrigued about using them eventually.

Whoa Napalm Xtreme looks stacked! I think this is one of the new ones, honestly I can't keep up these days with all the XPG gels - too many good ones!

 

[unitas27]

Whoa Napalm Xtreme looks stacked! I think this is one of the new ones, honestly I can't keep up these days with all the XPG gels - too many good ones!

Yeah man, it's been roughly 20 years since I used the OG Napalm, this modernized revision looks pretty killer. Caleb still slaying it after all these years. Love to see it.

 

[sns8778]

XPG Lipoderm Xtreme Introduction Thread:

Thread 'XPG Lipoderm Xtreme - Fast Acting, Maximum Strength Slimming Gel'

Sep 12, 2024

XPG Xtreme Performance Gels Lipoderm Xreme - 100 ML

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Fast Acting, Maximum Strength Slimming Gel
Targeted Topical Defining Matrix

Powered by:
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Lipoderm Xtreme – the Return of a Legend!

Lipoderm Xtreme is a fast acting, maximum strength slimming gel that is designed to be applied to stubborn fat areas such as the stomach region, lower back, love...

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[sns8778]

XPG Napalm Xtreme Introduction Thread:

Thread 'XPG Napalm Xtreme - Xtreme Maximum Strength Slimming Gel'

Sep 12, 2024

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Xtreme Maximum Strength Slimming Gel
Targeted Topical Defining Matrix

Powered by:
MitoBurn, Glycyrrhetinic Acid, 7-OXO DHEA, Cocoabuterol, CaloriBurn GP, & More

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Napalm Xtreme is a an Xtreme Strength Slimming Gel that is designed to be applied to stubborn fat areas such as the stomach region, lower back, love handles, glutes, and hamstring areas.

Napalm Xtreme is the perfect weapon in the war on body-fat and allows you to attack stubborn fat...

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[unitas27]

Well worth the wait ! - I think this intro thread would shed a lot of light on the specific usage of each and what we can expect when they are stacked.

Could you also elaborate on the expected absorption rate of each so, if we did want to apply it before a cardio work out, we’ll know how long to wait before it fully absorbed to avid sweating it out?

I’m also really hoping there is an super effective dose of Yohimbine HCL per pump (From what I noticed the original Lipoderm had 12.5 mg YHCL per pump) since the delivery matrix will have to suspend and transfer this and a a lot more ingredients through the skin.

I'd imagine it's impossible to calculate absorption rate without clinical studies, but with most topical carriers (applied to clean, shaved skin) I'd dare to guess somewhere in the 30-40% range. That might not seem substantial, but with topicals the bioavailability of the compounds that make it through the dermal layer is extremely high.

Drying time based on my application of XPG Suppress-C and Ab-Solved you're looking at 10 minutes or less.

 

[Riptor]

I'd imagine it's impossible to calculate absorption rate without clinical studies, but with most topical carriers (applied to clean, shaved skin) I'd dare to guess somewhere in the 30-40% range. That might not seem substantial, but with topicals the bioavailability of the compounds that make it through the dermal layer is extremely high.

Drying time based on my application of XPG Suppress-C and Ab-Solved you're looking at 10 minutes or less.

Thanks, I suppose then this is a case for leaving the product on the skin pretty much for the duration of the day, or however many hours until the next application in order to maximise the amount absorbed.

I guess that would go against working out after applying it since it wouldn’t be fully absorbed and he amount that is would likely be sweated out !

 

[Riptor]

@sns8778 I’ve read through the descriptions of both Lipoderm Xtreme and Napalm Xtreme a few times now and both seem like real powerhouses !

But the one question I have (which I realise is a little subjective) is if I already have a flat stomach and stand at 10 to 11 % bf and wanted to target specifically subcutaneous fat to obtain extreme definition then would Lipoderm Xtreme provide a slightly greater performance (over Napalm Xtreme) in this case?

The reason I ask if because I intend to buy multiple bottles for this specific purpose.

 

[Danksta710]

Nice to hear the multi is in production...does that mean the super greens is or close?

 

[unitas27]

Thanks, I suppose then this is a case for leaving the product on the skin pretty much for the duration of the day, or however many hours until the next application in order to maximise the amount absorbed.

I guess that would go against working out after applying it since it wouldn’t be fully absorbed and he amount that is would likely be sweated out !

Once it passes through the skin layers you're not going to sweat it out. Back when Avant released the original Lipoderm products I always applied about 20-30 minutes before lifting/cardio and lost a substantial amount of fat around the midsection and love handles which tells me the actives were successfully making it into the bloodstream and subq fat regions.

 

[sns8778]

Thanks, I suppose then this is a case for leaving the product on the skin pretty much for the duration of the day, or however many hours until the next application in order to maximise the amount absorbed.

I guess that would go against working out after applying it since it wouldn’t be fully absorbed and he amount that is would likely be sweated out !

@unitas27 answered this perfectly above. Once they get through the skin, you aren't going to sweat them out. They don't sit on the skin and wait to be absorbed, they go into the skin and are absorbed into fatty tissues from within the skin layer.

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 I’ve read through the descriptions of both Lipoderm Xtreme and Napalm Xtreme a few times now and both seem like real powerhouses !

But the one question I have (which I realise is a little subjective) is if I already have a flat stomach and stand at 10 to 11 % bf and wanted to target specifically subcutaneous fat to obtain extreme definition then would Lipoderm Xtreme provide a slightly greater performance (over Napalm Xtreme) in this case?

The reason I ask if because I intend to buy multiple bottles for this specific purpose.

If subcutaneous fat is the sole target, then Lipoderm Xtreme would be the best choice.

If subcutaneous and visceral fat are both targets, Napalm Xtreme would be the best choice.

 

[Riptor]

If subcutaneous fat is the sole target, then Lipoderm Xtreme would be the best choice.

If subcutaneous and visceral fat are both targets, Napalm Xtreme would be the best choice.

Hi Steve, thanks for clarifying this. In a lean individual would you describe visceral as causing a ‘slight’ protrusion on the lower abdomen so they have to suck in their stomach to have that ‘concave’ lean appearance? - if that is the case then I’ll go for the Lipo / Napalm stack.

 

[sns8778]

Hi Steve, thanks for clarifying this. In a lean individual would you describe visceral as causing a ‘slight’ protrusion on the lower abdomen so they have to suck in their stomach to have that ‘concave’ lean appearance? - if that is the case then I’ll go for the Lipo / Napalm stack.

You’re very welcome.

Yes, that is a great way to describe it.

Visceral fat is also the most unhealthy type of body-fat, so it goes beyond being just cosmetic too.

 

[sns8778]

Nice to hear the multi is in production...does that mean the super greens is or close?

The capsule or powder?

I thought about putting the capsule one in production soon. The powder one, there’s just been a ton of other flavored product priorities ahead of it. But still want to do it.

 

[Danksta710]

The capsule or powder?

I thought about putting the capsule one in production soon. The powder one, there’s just been a ton of other flavored product priorities ahead of it. But still want to do it.

Yes, capsules.

That makes sense.

 

[josun]

would you consider making a female hormonal support sup? The wife's hormones get wrecked when she goes on a cut or increases the intensity of her workouts. some of her friends experienced the same problems as well

 

[sns8778]

would you consider making a female hormonal support sup? The wife's hormones get wrecked when she goes on a cut or increases the intensity of her workouts. some of her friends experienced the same problems as well

I have formulations done for several female supplements. I would eventually like to do an SNS for Her line. We just have to get more people knowing about the line & be able to market towards women to do that.

When u say her hormones get wrecked, can you be more specific? Like are we talking mood, etc.

 

[Segansational]

The capsule or powder?

I thought about putting the capsule one in production soon. The powder one, there’s just been a ton of other flavored product priorities ahead of it. But still want to do it.

Wouldn't capsulated greens powder be a huge # of pills? I assumed that's why you always see as a powder.

 

[sns8778]

Wouldn't capsulated greens powder be a huge # of pills? I assumed that's why you always see as a powder.

If you're talking about the way its generally done, then yes.

He's talking about something I had mentioned in a thread awhile back about doing a product with quite a few different standardized versions all in one product for people that do want a capsule bc there are a lot of people that will not drink one.

 

[WhatsaBench]

Ursa-bolic?? Did I miss that being teased? I don't see it available to buy.

 

[sns8778]

Ursa-bolic?? Did I miss that being teased? I don't see it available to buy.

We've teased it a little bit.

The only reason that we hadn't teased it more is because people ask questions that I can't give out the full information on yet, so as to not spoil the release.

It's an advanced absorption Ursolic Acid product - and the details about the advanced absorption are the details that I'm not going to go into yet. But the release is soon

 

[sns8778]

One thing that I'll say about Ursa-Bolic is that as exciting as it is for recomposition and workout performance, the more I read studies on it, I get more and more excited about its potential healthy aging and longevity properties.

I want to do a healthy aging/longevity sub-brand, and I'm considering doing this same product under a different label under it. The potential for this is truly amazing.

 

[Danksta710]

Wouldn't capsulated greens powder be a huge # of pills? I assumed that's why you always see as a powder.

I use health force vitamineral greens. 8 caps. No issue with me. I have zero desire to drink them ever.

Hyped for Steve's!

 

[sns8778]

I use health force vitamineral greens. 8 caps. No issue with me. I have zero desire to drink them ever.

Hyped for Steve's!

Ours will definitely be more concentrated and less capsules. I wouldn't do one with 8 capsules - I don't mind taking a bunch of capsules myself, but I know that most people won't.

 

[Segansational]

I use health force vitamineral greens. 8 caps. No issue with me. I have zero desire to drink them ever.

Hyped for Steve's!

Yeah, most greens powders are at most - tolerable to drink. But anything above 6 caps is usually too much IMO.

Ours will definitely be more concentrated and less capsules. I wouldn't do one with 8 capsules - I don't mind taking a bunch of capsules myself, but I know that most people won't.

Yep, see above. But also, given that many of us on here at least are also running multiple other supplements (many from SNS) it becomes a numbers game at some point.

For example, right now I have daily from SNS:
3 / 3 caps PrimeXT
2 / 2 caps Pepti-Plex
2 / 2 caps CissusXT
1 / 1 / 1 Paradoxine

Plus...
1 cap digestive enzymes
3 caps multivitamin
2 soft gel fish oils
1 soft gel Vit D
1 cap Vit C

So you can see how it can become a lot by adding any other number of capsules...

 

[sns8778]

Yeah, most greens powders are at most - tolerable to drink. But anything above 6 caps is usually too much IMO. Yep, see above. But also, given that many of us on here at least are also running multiple other supplements (many from SNS) it becomes a numbers game at some point.

For example, right now I have daily from SNS:
3 / 3 caps PrimeXT
2 / 2 caps Pepti-Plex
2 / 2 caps CissusXT
1 / 1 / 1 Paradoxine

Plus...
1 cap digestive enzymes
3 caps multivitamin
2 soft gel fish oils
1 soft gel Vit D
1 cap Vit C

So you can see how it can become a lot by adding any other number of capsules...

I do, which is why we will likely eventually offer both a capsule and a powder form.

The reason that a capsule product will come first though is that 90%+ of people would prefer a capsule form over a powder and also because what we have planned for the capsule version will be extremely unique and comprehensive and has never been done before.

 

[Nac]

Steve as per the other thread, Im preparing for a TD-based minicut in a bit, gonna run a few other products of yours during it as well. Do you have anything upcoming that might make a good addition? Im going all-in on this one, so anything at all you can divulge now would be helpful. Especially if it helps with appetite (I have bingeing tendencies, and in the past have used glp-1's to help with that).

 

[sns8778]

Steve as per the other thread, Im preparing for a TD-based minicut in a bit, gonna run a few other products of yours during it as well. Do you have anything upcoming that might make a good addition? Im going all-in on this one, so anything at all you can divulge now would be helpful. Especially if it helps with appetite (I have bingeing tendencies, and in the past have used glp-1's to help with that).

We actually do have a product coming up soon that you may be interested in - Lean GLP.

I don't think I've teased it or even mentioned it yet, but it will be a fat loss product that has GLP properties and will be excellent for appetite control.

It will contain 8 ingredients including 7 branded ingredients and ingredients that have great clinical studies on fat loss, blood sugar control, and appetite control.