schizm
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I don't find it to be, no and I'm one that is unable to tolerate any form of yohimbe, orally. HATE the stuff...unless it's being used as a transdermal
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sns8778
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You didn’t do anything wrong at all.
It’s not your fault that they did it.
I appreciate their business and I’m not going to even mention it to them. We just have to be careful who we sell things to in advance of launch bc of things like this.
Unfortunately, a lot of times retailers will want to be the first to have things. But part of that is that a brand has to be able to trust them to not lost a product until the official launch. There are several US retailers we don’t sell anything to before the official launch bc of things like this.
sns8778
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I feel bad that you felt like you did something wrong here or that I was upset with you - you absolutely didn't.
Just to give you an example of why I said last night that I was disappointed that they did that - because I came into work this morning and had multiple emails from another retailer that is upset bc they are doing it the right way and waiting on the write up.
So, if you think about it like this - at least I found out about it from you last night and was prepared this morning rather than caught off guard by it.
AknowledgeMe
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sns8778
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Now let’s get them write ups!!! Need to burn some fat
Doing my absolute best. Have the Alpha One release, the Labor Day sale thru Sunday, and a family situation I'm dealing with.
Plus just had another new release come in today, but it'll be a couple weeks before we launch it.
The goal is to hopefully do the launch on Lipoderm Xtreme and Napalm Xtreme on Monday.
Riptor
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Appreciate your efforts with this Steve despite the circumstances !
A query that some may have is that if your goal were to specifically focus on releasing fat deposits in the lower abs, love handles and torso regions , would Napalm Xtreme be the preferred choice ?
Or are they best used together synergistically? - ie Naplam in the AM and Lipoderm in the PM
I ask this to plan a budget to order multiple bottles of one of the items, or multiple sets of both.
Thanks, and I hope everything goes well for you and your family
sns8778
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Appreciate your efforts with this Steve despite the circumstances !
A query that some may have is that if your goal were to specifically focus on releasing fat deposits in the lower abs, love handles and torso regions , would Napalm Xtreme be the preferred choice ?
Or are they best used together synergistically? - ie Naplam in the AM and Lipoderm in the PM
I ask this to plan a budget to order multiple bottles of one of the items, or multiple sets of both.
Thanks, and I hope everything goes well for you and your family
Thank you. And the questions like that are why I really want to have the write ups complete and also an FAQ available before launching them, so as to be able to address questions like that.
A quick abbreviated answer would be:
- Yes, they can be stacked and will make for a very synergistic stack.
- The most common way to stack them would be Napalm on the abdomen in the morning, Lipoderm on the love handles in the morning - then switch at night (or vice versa).
I'll go into more details in the FAQ about if people want to, or budget wise, need to pick just one. I just wanted to give a general answer to your question though.
And thank you very much for the kind words. I really appreciate that. It's an extremely tough time right now - I have one family member that is already near the end and on hospice, and another that fractured their back and has to have someone with them all the time for the next couple weeks. And on top of that, experienced some flooding at my house and that's been a huge project - the flood damage company had to remove my basement ceiling and part of a wall; it took 13 industrial drying fans and 4 huge dehumidifiers to dry things out. They tear everything out, but don't put anything back. So I've been trying to juggle everything going on and also trying to find a company that will put those parts of my house back together. Been a very rough last few weeks.
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Segansational
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Oh snap Steve! So sorry bout all the troubles going on at home. Thinking of you and hoping for recovery for the family member. That's got to be a whole lot for you to be dealing with right now. While we're all excited for new product releases, make sure you take care of home and yourself too.
Riptor
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Hey Steve, that’s a lot to deal with and I feel for you ! I almost lost my wife twice last year after she gave birth through a botched c-section and that changed everything. I know you've been through a lot over the last two years or so but you’ve pulled through every time. Despite the excitement of reading about these new products I do believe most guys on here are rooting for you to overcome these hurdles and regain that sense of stability and balance one more. I do hope everything goes well !
Halfnattyman44
Member
Just received a shipment from SNS from the Labor Day sale.
1. Super fast shipping, nice job!
2. how do you all resist the temptation of just starting everything together for the ultimate stack (joking… kind of)
1. Super fast shipping, nice job!
2. how do you all resist the temptation of just starting everything together for the ultimate stack (joking… kind of)
GQdaLEGEND
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its not easy for sure
Halfnattyman44
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I’ve done bigger stacks but I’m trying to do 1 or 2 of the extras at a time now. Obviously throw in some staples too. But I could easily see my supplement budget going to a few hundred dollars a month if I’m not careful.I’m not judging anyone else, but other than stocking up on things like Peptiplex or bulk powders I try to only buy every 1-2 months or I end up justifying using everything all at once to myself.
Hyde
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AknowledgeMe
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Is there any benefit to feeding my wife some Optimize T while I patiently wait for Libido XT?
sns8778
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We've had a good amount of feedback from men whose gf's/wives use half a dose (2 caps per day) and really like it.
Joshlm69
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We already have that covered from a few different angles.
We've had several people on here over the years get their wives/girlfriends pregnant, sometimes after long periods of trying, on both M-Test and Optimize-T; although I'm still waiting for someone to name the baby after one of them or the company
Inhibit-P is the product though that we get the most people referred to buy by doctors for fertility issues.
Prolactin & Fertility:
Prolactin is a hormone produced in the pituitary gland, and high levels of prolactin can negatively affect male fertility.
Prolactin can directly and indirectly affect sperm production:
- Directly:
- Prolactin can act on receptors in the testes to influence spermatogenesis and steroidogenesis.
- Indirectly:
- Prolactin can inhibit the release of gonadotropins from the pituitary gland, which can then decrease the release of follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), luteinizing hormone (LH), and testosterone. This can lead to lower sperm quality and impaired sperm motility.
Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.
edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve
AknowledgeMe
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Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.
edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve
I’m snipped so no worries
sns8778
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I haven't had any requests for it as a single ingredient, but there are products in the works already that will contain it.
I have a great relationship with Sabinsa and have discussed this ingredient with them a lot since the early research on it.
sns8778
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Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.
edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve
Ha. I know I had told you congratulations, but wasn't sure if I told you a funny part on that, that when I was over a youth group for years and mentored several kids, 2 of them were twins. They were awesome and hilarious. I did pretty much everything for them that a dad would do from the time they were 9 until they were adults. I'm still great friends with them and super proud of them.
NutButter
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Nice! Any rough eta on any of the products containing curcousin?
sns8778
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My best guess would be within 12 weeks, but it could be a lot sooner.
It's in the production process, labels are done, etc.
We have so many products that we may have 50+ PO's in at any one time, and that sometimes means that prioritizing existing products and keeping them in stock may push back new release ones.
My goal is to have it by Black Friday by I'm not 100% sure.
I'm curious - what are you hoping to use it for?
My reason for asking is to create conversation on the ingredient for anyone that may not know about it. I've actually followed more of the science side than the marketing side of it, so I'm curious what interest its getting bc it can be used for several different purposes.
Hyde
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Can confirm I was on optimize-T for 1-2 weeks before my gf wanted to try for a baby. Instantly pregnant first try. I would imagine optimize-T at least had a hand in that.
edit: be careful what you wish for….it was twins, thanks for nothing Steve
“Optimize T - It’s pregnancy in a bottle!”
N2ofusion
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What, exactly, is it used for or supposed to do?
I saw it in the label for one other product (which I’ll leave anonymous), which intrigued me since I’d never heard of it before, but I couldn’t find much information about it. I think even Sabinsa keeps some of their information proprietary to customers (?) as I’ve checked their website many times and don’t see much info.
NutButter
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I've been buying it direct from Sabinsa's own brand (afi) because of its many uses. Anti cancer being the number 1 reason but increasing metabolism, anti inflammation and glucose control are some neat results from Calebin A too.
sns8778
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I think it may be a good anti-cancer ingredient, and especially would be with high dose Apigenin.
I think it goes well in products for metabolism. It's not something I would get super excited for as a single ingredient for fat loss, but I think it goes great with certain other ingredients that work via certain pathways.
It will be a fat loss formula that will be the first product type that we will be using it in.
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sns8778
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It is a curcumin analog. Invalid Link Removed
It has some interesting potential for metabolic health, lipids, etc.
I think it has the potential to be a good ingredient, but I'm concerned that some brands are already going a bit over the top with the marketing on it and I'm worried that that might create a situation where some won't be pleased with it because they may have unrealistic expectations of it.
I think that is is a good health ingredient and I think it can be a great addition to a well-formulated fat loss product, but I think that's the key - if using it for fat loss, I think its a good ingredient as part of an already great formula, not something I would get super excited for on its own for that purpose. Not meaning that negatively, I think that certain other ingredients can lay the foundation for it to work a lot better in terms of fat loss.
The fat loss product that we will be using it in has 8 ingredients including 7 branded ingredients, and I think it will be an excellent addition to that formula bc everything in that formula is meant to work together extremely well.
AknowledgeMe
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Do we know what website will have the new Topicals at first since XPG doesn’t have a website.
BigGame84
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DPS has them in stock now. But I need to see a write up because I'm confused what the difference is between the two.
sns8778
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They will get the write up listed within the next day or two.
I'll do an intro thread whenever the forum is acting right. There are some updates happening and I don't want to do half an intro thread and then not be able to edit or add the rest of it or have something happen.
Ape McGrapes
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Can we get Palmitoylethanolamide in a transdermal?
Riptor
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Well worth the wait ! - I think this intro thread would shed a lot of light on the specific usage of each and what we can expect when they are stacked.
Could you also elaborate on the expected absorption rate of each so, if we did want to apply it before a cardio work out, we’ll know how long to wait before it fully absorbed to avid sweating it out?
I’m also really hoping there is an super effective dose of Yohimbine HCL per pump (From what I noticed the original Lipoderm had 12.5 mg YHCL per pump) since the delivery matrix will have to suspend and transfer this and a a lot more ingredients through the skin.
sns8778
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I believe that you may be thinking about Lipoderm-Y rather than Lipoderm Ultra.
I don't know that they ever disclosed the exact amount of Yohimbine in Lipoderm Ultra. I may be wrong, but if they did, I don't remember it. I remember them generally disclosing the dosages of the single ingredient ones but not of the formulation ones.
For anyone expecting an old school Avant Labs type deep dive, that's not going to happen bc its not allowed to happen with topicals in today's world bc many of the in depth pieces that Avant used to present would be considered as making 'claims' now days. That's why many topical products come with little or no write ups now days.
There will be an FAQ document that will come later, possibly later this week that will go into a little more depth than the write ups, but it will not go into any category or explanation of anything that could be considered a 'claim'. For anything related to a deep dive sense like that, a simple answer is that these are updated versions of the original Avant Labs products so the same science would still generally apply + more.
We're glad to answer all the questions that we can, but it doesn't do anyone any good if we go super-sciencey and something winds up constituted as a 'claim' and leads to not being able to offer them. I hope that makes sense.
sns8778
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It has been talked about and experimented with, but it is not an ideal ingredient for a td. We may attempt to make it work in one at some point, but it would likely be to experiment with and see if could tell a difference anyway.
Plus, the way that it works, it builds up in your system for best results.
Hyde
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FWIW, I think PEA works great & is convenient as is in a capsule. Really like that product, Steve. Seems like the occasional scalp psoriasis that I get has been exceptionally minimal since incorporating it twice/day for some months now.
sns8778
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I'm really glad to hear that its helping with that, and I agree, I like it in capsule form.
I think the first glance appeal of the idea of this being in a td is the thought that it may help with site inflammation, but that's not really the way that it works. It works by building up in the system. I think for any type of site inflammation, CurcuPrime Gel is great.
What makes an ingredient a good or not good candidate for a td can be super complicated and confusing. A lot of people oversimplify it to just molecular weight, but that's only a starting point. Something can have the correct mw but still not be a good candidate for a variety of reasons.
We had discussed this at one time and its something we may play around with at some point to see if we could get it to work in a td, but it's not a simple one in this case.
I was telling someone awhile back that wanted to add some of this to CurcuPrime Gel that just because you get it to mix, doesn't mean you get it to absorb properly or perform properly.
I think that some people that are newer and don't know of or remember Avant don't know how much science goes into the Avant carriers and how they are customized per product and per ingredient. Par/Caleb is a genius on stuff like that.
sns8778
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I looked over the dosages of the formulas and while I'm not going to give specific numbers as to the amount of YHCI in either of them, I'll tell you that based on what you're hoping for, you'll be happy with either one of them
Segansational
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Whoa Napalm Xtreme looks stacked! I think this is one of the new ones, honestly I can't keep up these days with all the XPG gels - too many good ones!Looks like new fat loss gels are popping in stock.
Write ups should be right around the corner. I’m pretty intrigued about using them eventually.
unitas27
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Yeah man, it's been roughly 20 years since I used the OG Napalm,
this modernized revision looks pretty killer. Caleb still slaying it after all these years. Love to see it.
sns8778
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Powered by:
Glycyrrhetinic Acid, Theophylline, Caffeine, Yohimbine, Synephrine, Raspberry Ketones,
L-Carnitine, Ascorbyl Palmitate, CaloriBurn GP, & More
Lipoderm Xtreme – the Return of a Legend!
Lipoderm Xtreme is a fast acting, maximum strength slimming gel that is designed to be applied to stubborn fat areas such as the stomach region, lower back, love...
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XPG Napalm Xtreme Introduction Thread:
unitas27
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I'd imagine it's impossible to calculate absorption rate without clinical studies, but with most topical carriers (applied to clean, shaved skin) I'd dare to guess somewhere in the 30-40% range. That might not seem substantial, but with topicals the bioavailability of the compounds that make it through the dermal layer is extremely high.
Drying time based on my application of XPG Suppress-C and Ab-Solved you're looking at 10 minutes or less.
Riptor
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Thanks, I suppose then this is a case for leaving the product on the skin pretty much for the duration of the day, or however many hours until the next application in order to maximise the amount absorbed.
I guess that would go against working out after applying it since it wouldn’t be fully absorbed and he amount that is would likely be sweated out !
Riptor
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@sns8778 I’ve read through the descriptions of both Lipoderm Xtreme and Napalm Xtreme a few times now and both seem like real powerhouses !
But the one question I have (which I realise is a little subjective) is if I already have a flat stomach and stand at 10 to 11 % bf and wanted to target specifically subcutaneous fat to obtain extreme definition then would Lipoderm Xtreme provide a slightly greater performance (over Napalm Xtreme) in this case?
The reason I ask if because I intend to buy multiple bottles for this specific purpose.
But the one question I have (which I realise is a little subjective) is if I already have a flat stomach and stand at 10 to 11 % bf and wanted to target specifically subcutaneous fat to obtain extreme definition then would Lipoderm Xtreme provide a slightly greater performance (over Napalm Xtreme) in this case?
The reason I ask if because I intend to buy multiple bottles for this specific purpose.
Danksta710
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Nice to hear the multi is in production...does that mean the super greens is or close?
unitas27
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Once it passes through the skin layers you're not going to sweat it out. Back when Avant released the original Lipoderm products I always applied about 20-30 minutes before lifting/cardio and lost a substantial amount of fat around the midsection and love handles which tells me the actives were successfully making it into the bloodstream and subq fat regions.
sns8778
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If subcutaneous fat is the sole target, then Lipoderm Xtreme would be the best choice.
If subcutaneous and visceral fat are both targets, Napalm Xtreme would be the best choice.
Riptor
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Hi Steve, thanks for clarifying this. In a lean individual would you describe visceral as causing a ‘slight’ protrusion on the lower abdomen so they have to suck in their stomach to have that ‘concave’ lean appearance? - if that is the case then I’ll go for the Lipo / Napalm stack.