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Hi Steve, thanks for clarifying this. In a lean individual would you describe visceral as causing a ‘slight’ protrusion on the lower abdomen so they have to suck in their stomach to have that ‘concave’ lean appearance? - if that is the case then I’ll go for the Lipo / Napalm stack.

You’re very welcome.

Yes, that is a great way to describe it.

Visceral fat is also the most unhealthy type of body-fat, so it goes beyond being just cosmetic too.
 
Nice to hear the multi is in production...does that mean the super greens is or close?

The capsule or powder?

I thought about putting the capsule one in production soon. The powder one, there’s just been a ton of other flavored product priorities ahead of it. But still want to do it.
 
would you consider making a female hormonal support sup? The wife's hormones get wrecked when she goes on a cut or increases the intensity of her workouts. some of her friends experienced the same problems as well
 
would you consider making a female hormonal support sup? The wife's hormones get wrecked when she goes on a cut or increases the intensity of her workouts. some of her friends experienced the same problems as well

I have formulations done for several female supplements. I would eventually like to do an SNS for Her line. We just have to get more people knowing about the line & be able to market towards women to do that.

When u say her hormones get wrecked, can you be more specific? Like are we talking mood, etc.
 
The capsule or powder?

I thought about putting the capsule one in production soon. The powder one, there’s just been a ton of other flavored product priorities ahead of it. But still want to do it.
Wouldn't capsulated greens powder be a huge # of pills? I assumed that's why you always see as a powder.
 
Wouldn't capsulated greens powder be a huge # of pills? I assumed that's why you always see as a powder.

If you're talking about the way its generally done, then yes.

He's talking about something I had mentioned in a thread awhile back about doing a product with quite a few different standardized versions all in one product for people that do want a capsule bc there are a lot of people that will not drink one.
 
Ursa-bolic?? Did I miss that being teased? I don't see it available to buy.

We've teased it a little bit.

The only reason that we hadn't teased it more is because people ask questions that I can't give out the full information on yet, so as to not spoil the release.

It's an advanced absorption Ursolic Acid product - and the details about the advanced absorption are the details that I'm not going to go into yet. But the release is soon :)
 
One thing that I'll say about Ursa-Bolic is that as exciting as it is for recomposition and workout performance, the more I read studies on it, I get more and more excited about its potential healthy aging and longevity properties.

I want to do a healthy aging/longevity sub-brand, and I'm considering doing this same product under a different label under it. The potential for this is truly amazing.
 
I use health force vitamineral greens. 8 caps. No issue with me. I have zero desire to drink them ever.

Hyped for Steve's!

Ours will definitely be more concentrated and less capsules. I wouldn't do one with 8 capsules - I don't mind taking a bunch of capsules myself, but I know that most people won't.
 
I use health force vitamineral greens. 8 caps. No issue with me. I have zero desire to drink them ever.

Hyped for Steve's!
Yeah, most greens powders are at most - tolerable to drink. But anything above 6 caps is usually too much IMO.
Ours will definitely be more concentrated and less capsules. I wouldn't do one with 8 capsules - I don't mind taking a bunch of capsules myself, but I know that most people won't.
Yep, see above. But also, given that many of us on here at least are also running multiple other supplements (many from SNS) it becomes a numbers game at some point.

For example, right now I have daily from SNS:
3 / 3 caps PrimeXT
2 / 2 caps Pepti-Plex
2 / 2 caps CissusXT
1 / 1 / 1 Paradoxine

Plus...
1 cap digestive enzymes
3 caps multivitamin
2 soft gel fish oils
1 soft gel Vit D
1 cap Vit C

So you can see how it can become a lot by adding any other number of capsules...
 
Yeah, most greens powders are at most - tolerable to drink. But anything above 6 caps is usually too much IMO. Yep, see above. But also, given that many of us on here at least are also running multiple other supplements (many from SNS) it becomes a numbers game at some point.

For example, right now I have daily from SNS:
3 / 3 caps PrimeXT
2 / 2 caps Pepti-Plex
2 / 2 caps CissusXT
1 / 1 / 1 Paradoxine

Plus...
1 cap digestive enzymes
3 caps multivitamin
2 soft gel fish oils
1 soft gel Vit D
1 cap Vit C

So you can see how it can become a lot by adding any other number of capsules...

I do, which is why we will likely eventually offer both a capsule and a powder form.

The reason that a capsule product will come first though is that 90%+ of people would prefer a capsule form over a powder and also because what we have planned for the capsule version will be extremely unique and comprehensive and has never been done before.
 
Steve as per the other thread, Im preparing for a TD-based minicut in a bit, gonna run a few other products of yours during it as well. Do you have anything upcoming that might make a good addition? Im going all-in on this one, so anything at all you can divulge now would be helpful. Especially if it helps with appetite (I have bingeing tendencies, and in the past have used glp-1's to help with that).
 
Steve as per the other thread, Im preparing for a TD-based minicut in a bit, gonna run a few other products of yours during it as well. Do you have anything upcoming that might make a good addition? Im going all-in on this one, so anything at all you can divulge now would be helpful. Especially if it helps with appetite (I have bingeing tendencies, and in the past have used glp-1's to help with that).

We actually do have a product coming up soon that you may be interested in - Lean GLP.

I don't think I've teased it or even mentioned it yet, but it will be a fat loss product that has GLP properties and will be excellent for appetite control.

It will contain 8 ingredients including 7 branded ingredients and ingredients that have great clinical studies on fat loss, blood sugar control, and appetite control.
 
We actually do have a product coming up soon that you may be interested in - Lean GLP.

I don't think I've teased it or even mentioned it yet, but it will be a fat loss product that has GLP properties and will be excellent for appetite control.

It will contain 8 ingredients including 7 branded ingredients and ingredients that have great clinical studies on fat loss, blood sugar control, and appetite control.

Well damn that sounds perfect lol

Im guessing it will stack nicely with your other fat loss products?
 
Well damn that sounds perfect lol

Im guessing it will stack nicely with your other fat loss products?

Yes, it will.
 
This product has me real curious. Would it be something you could run much more longer term than a traditional fat burner?

Yes, a person could run this for as long term as they would like to.

Lean Edge, Thermo Scorch, Thermagize XT, and Reduce XT can all be ran long term as well.
 
We actually do have a product coming up soon that you may be interested in - Lean GLP.

I don't think I've teased it or even mentioned it yet, but it will be a fat loss product that has GLP properties and will be excellent for appetite control.

It will contain 8 ingredients including 7 branded ingredients and ingredients that have great clinical studies on fat loss, blood sugar control, and appetite control.
I like the sound of this. 👀
 
I like the sound of this. 👀

The science behind this is really cool. It's one of those things where the science side of me wants to go into a super deep dive on the write up, but then I get so little interaction and engagement on the science deep dives anymore, that I'm not sure if its worth going super in depth with. Which even not going in super in depth, my regular write ups still go into a lot of detail.

To give you an idea of how cool and intricate this one is, this was one that I ran the idea for by Par and even he was excited about it and some of the ingredients and how the science fit together.
 
An SNS Multivitamin and Greens/Superfood coming is awesome! Might as well make a highly potent fish oil while you’re at it!
 
An SNS Multivitamin and Greens/Superfood coming is awesome! Might as well make a highly potent fish oil while you’re at it!

I thought about it - but the problem with that is honestly a lot of people say they want a high potency fish oil but then they complain if it isn't as cheap as the most basic cheapest grade fish oil available.

Whenever you see the debate on fish oil and people get mad about many not meeting label claims or cutting corners on raw materials, 99% of the time its the brands claiming to offer a high potency one but at cheap prices that you'll see the issues with.

I would love to be able to offer one, but if we did one, we would do it correctly and then I could see people complaining bc Johns Doe's generic (that wouldn't meet label claims anyway) was cheaper.

I may would still do one, just explaining why we haven't and why there would be a lot of other things in front of it priority wise.

I would love to make an Algal Oil myself. I use a lot of that rather than Fish Oil.
 
I thought about it - but the problem with that is honestly a lot of people say they want a high potency fish oil but then they complain if it isn't as cheap as the most basic cheapest grade fish oil available.

Whenever you see the debate on fish oil and people get mad about many not meeting label claims or cutting corners on raw materials, 99% of the time its the brands claiming to offer a high potency one but at cheap prices that you'll see the issues with.

I would love to be able to offer one, but if we did one, we would do it correctly and then I could see people complaining bc Johns Doe's generic (that wouldn't meet label claims anyway) was cheaper.

I may would still do one, just explaining why we haven't and why there would be a lot of other things in front of it priority wise.

I would love to make an Algal Oil myself. I use a lot of that rather than Fish Oil.

All of that makes sense! Maybe I’m a minimalist enough that fish oil is one that I don’t mind spending a little on. I get your perspective to it though. 👍
 
All of that makes sense! Maybe I’m a minimalist enough that fish oil is one that I don’t mind spending a little on. I get your perspective to it though. 👍

I'm the same way in the sense that I'm not going to buy the improper type or potency of something; I'm either going to buy the correct type or potency or not get it at all.

I think some people just buy the cheapest thing possible with some things like that and I think that a lot of people look at all of it as '1 gram of fish oil' rather than looking at the makeup of that 1 gram - as in not realizing that it could be 1 gram of high potency with a great EPA and DHA content or 1 gram of junk with next to no EPA and DHA in it, and them not realizing that its not the fish oil itself, but the amount of EPA and DHA that makes the difference.
 
I'm the same way in the sense that I'm not going to buy the improper type or potency of something; I'm either going to buy the correct type or potency or not get it at all.

I think some people just buy the cheapest thing possible with some things like that and I think that a lot of people look at all of it as '1 gram of fish oil' rather than looking at the makeup of that 1 gram - as in not realizing that it could be 1 gram of high potency with a great EPA and DHA content or 1 gram of junk with next to no EPA and DHA in it, and them not realizing that its not the fish oil itself, but the amount of EPA and DHA that makes the difference.

Are benefits seen at 2g combined EPA/DHA and above? I’m around 1.6/2.4 combined per day.
 
Are benefits seen at 2g combined EPA/DHA and above? I’m around 1.6/2.4 combined per day.

I think that it really depends on the person.

There are benefits that may be helping that you can't feel at less than that, but that would be about the range for being able to feel them for most people.
 
Anyone excited for the new advanced absorption Ursolic Acid product?

It's going to be launching very soon.

The first batch is a limited run due to raw material availability and we expect it to sell out.
 
Anyone excited for the new advanced absorption Ursolic Acid product?

It's going to be launching very soon.

The first batch is a limited run due to raw material availability and we expect it to sell out.

Yes, I will be purchasing multiple bottles.
 
Anyone excited for the new advanced absorption Ursolic Acid product?

It's going to be launching very soon.

The first batch is a limited run due to raw material availability and we expect it to sell out.

Ok, it's already on the site. Will there be a sale code for launch?
 
Ok, it's already on the site. Will there be a sale code for launch?

Yes, there will be. The code will be ursa20

That will work on the single units and the 3 bottle, 6 bottle, and 12 bottle multi-packs.

I have one more thing to add to the site for it and then will do a launch thread.
 
Yes, there will be. The code will be ursa20

That will work on the single units and the 3 bottle, 6 bottle, and 12 bottle multi-packs.

I have one more thing to add to the site for it and then will do a launch thread.

Grabbing a 3pack to stack with Alpha One and Epiplex. Sweet.
 
Yes, there will be. The code will be ursa20

That will work on the single units and the 3 bottle, 6 bottle, and 12 bottle multi-packs.

I have one more thing to add to the site for it and then will do a launch thread.
Just placed an order for a 6-pack.
 
Ursa-Bolic Intro Thread:

 
The science behind this is really cool. It's one of those things where the science side of me wants to go into a super deep dive on the write up, but then I get so little interaction and engagement on the science deep dives anymore, that I'm not sure if its worth going super in depth with. Which even not going in super in depth, my regular write ups still go into a lot of detail.

To give you an idea of how cool and intricate this one is, this was one that I ran the idea for by Par and even he was excited about it and some of the ingredients and how the science fit together.
Sounds interesting. I can't wait to discuss the ingredients! This could be very popular with all the GLP-1 mania these days. Looking forward to hearing more.
The science behind this is really cool. It's one of those things where the science side of me wants to go into a super deep dive on the write up, but then I get so little interaction and engagement on the science deep dives anymore, that I'm not sure if its worth going super in depth with. Which even not going in super in depth, my regular write ups still go into a lot of detail.

To give you an idea of how cool and intricate this one is, this was one that I ran the idea for by Par and even he was excited about it and some of the ingredients and how the science fit together.
 
The science behind this is really cool. It's one of those things where the science side of me wants to go into a super deep dive on the write up, but then I get so little interaction and engagement on the science deep dives anymore, that I'm not sure if its worth going super in depth with. Which even not going in super in depth, my regular write ups still go into a lot of detail.

To give you an idea of how cool and intricate this one is, this was one that I ran the idea for by Par and even he was excited about it and some of the ingredients and how the science fit together.
Sounds interesting. I can't wait to discuss the ingredients! This could be very popular with all the GLP
Ursa-Bolic Intro Thread:

Anyone excited for the new advanced absorption Ursolic Acid product?

It's going to be launching very soon.

The first batch is a limited run due to raw material availability and we expect it to sell out.
Very cool Steve. Definitely grabbing some. Ursolic Acid has many benefits that go beyond body recomp, such as reducing oxidative stress and improving insulin sensitivity. It's nice to see a Phytosome product developed by someone other than Indena for once, lol.
 
Excited to try out the new SNS UA product! Will you be doing a stack option on your site for the UA product + Anabolic XT? I think that stack would sell well together!
 
Sounds interesting. I can't wait to discuss the ingredients! This could be very popular with all the GLP


Very cool Steve. Definitely grabbing some. Ursolic Acid has many benefits that go beyond body recomp, such as reducing oxidative stress and improving insulin sensitivity. It's nice to see a Phytosome product developed by someone other than Indena for once, lol.

Thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback on Ursa-Bolic.

And I'm excited for Lean GLP. The science is very good and very in depth and its a product that will work through a lot of different pathways. It's very much of a 'science, not a sales pitch' type of product.
 
Excited to try out the new SNS UA product! Will you be doing a stack option on your site for the UA product + Anabolic XT? I think that stack would sell well together!

I'll be glad to do one if that's something you'd like to see.

We did a discounted Recomp20 + Ursa-Bolic stack.

I will try to get Ursa-Bolic + Anabolic XT and an Ursa-Bolic, Anabolic XT, + Recomp20 stack added tomorrow.
 
i ordered some Ursa-bolic. as a serial ursolic acid non-responder, this is definitely a worthy challenge. im a huge fan of well-done liposomal ingredients. id like to see a liposomal nad+ from SNS
 
i ordered some Ursa-bolic. as a serial ursolic acid non-responder, this is definitely a worthy challenge. im a huge fan of well-done liposomal ingredients. id like to see a liposomal nad+ from SNS
Splitting hairs here, but Ursa-Bolic is a Phytosome, not a Liposomal delivery system. Similar in principle, but still distinctly different. Phytosomes are compounds that a literally bonded with a phosolipid to create a matrix, whereas liposomes are not bound but "encased" and can actually leak out ot the phosolipid cavity making them unstable and inferior delivery systems.
Moreover, Phytosomes can be smaller in size than liposomes, and generally have better absorption and bioavailability over them. In addition, Liposomes can only deliver water-soluble compounds, whereas Phytosomes can deliver both water and fat soluble ingredients
These are just a couple of the differences. But yeah, the science behind both delivery systems is fairly interesting if you're ever bored and enjoy reading about the science behind them.
 
i ordered some Ursa-bolic. as a serial ursolic acid non-responder, this is definitely a worthy challenge. im a huge fan of well-done liposomal ingredients. id like to see a liposomal nad+ from SNS

My post in the Ursa-Bolic Thread about the Phytosomal deception applies to Liposomal things too - true Liposomal or Phytosomal products are so costly to make and do right and then you have brands that will do them as basically a prop blend with NAD+ & Phosphatidylcholine for example and sell them cheaper than it would cost to make a real one in some cases.
 
i ordered some Ursa-bolic. as a serial ursolic acid non-responder, this is definitely a worthy challenge. im a huge fan of well-done liposomal ingredients. id like to see a liposomal nad+ from SNS

Here is the post I was referring to - its about phytosomes, but the principle applies to supposed liposomal delivery as well. It's a big reason you don't see companies do more real phytosomal and liposomal supplements, because of brands just doing the non complexed ones that are glorified prop blends. It makes the companies doing the legitimate ones seem overpriced in comparison and is deceiving as hell to consumers.

The Great Phytosomal Deception:

Phytosomal vs. Non-Phytosomal Phosphatidylcholine:

The use of phosphatidylcholine in supplement ingredients, paired with misleading claims of phytosomal delivery, represents a significant issue in the supplement industry.

This is an issue with many dietary supplement ingredients including Quercetin, Berberine, Curcumin, & more.

Some brands include phosphatidylcholine in the list of ingredients but fail to provide genuine phytosomal delivery. Instead, they use phosphatidylcholine in a basic, unbound form, which doesn’t deliver the intended benefits of a true phytosomal complex. By highlighting the phosphatidylcholine prominently, some brands create a façade of advanced delivery without the accompanying efficacy.

Phytosomal vs. Non-Phytosomal Phosphatidylcholine:
  • True Phytosomal Delivery: Involves a phosphatidylcholine molecule that forms a complex with or encases an active ingredient, enhancing its absorption.
  • Basic Phosphatidylcholine: Simply included as a stand-alone ingredient without complexing it with other nutrients, offering no enhanced delivery benefits.
There’s a huge difference between real science and a sales pitch.

Terms like “phytosomal” may be used loosely or inaccurately, creating confusion among consumers who assume that any presence of phosphatidylcholine indicates a true phytosomal delivery system.

Just because an ingredient appears on a label with phosphatidylcholine, it does not mean that it is a true phytosomal, it may in many cases simply be a proprietary blend that is all for show and marketing and to help some brands increase their profit margins.

UrsoSORB™ is a true Ursolic Acid Phytosome.
 
Steve, could Epicatechin also benefit from the same technology for better absorption? Would you consider making it? Epi has definitely become one of my favorite supps.
 
Here is the post I was referring to - its about phytosomes, but the principle applies to supposed liposomal delivery as well. It's a big reason you don't see companies do more real phytosomal and liposomal supplements, because of brands just doing the non complexed ones that are glorified prop blends. It makes the companies doing the legitimate ones seem overpriced in comparison and is deceiving as hell to consumers.

The Great Phytosomal Deception:

Phytosomal vs. Non-Phytosomal Phosphatidylcholine:

The use of phosphatidylcholine in supplement ingredients, paired with misleading claims of phytosomal delivery, represents a significant issue in the supplement industry.

This is an issue with many dietary supplement ingredients including Quercetin, Berberine, Curcumin, & more.

Some brands include phosphatidylcholine in the list of ingredients but fail to provide genuine phytosomal delivery. Instead, they use phosphatidylcholine in a basic, unbound form, which doesn’t deliver the intended benefits of a true phytosomal complex. By highlighting the phosphatidylcholine prominently, some brands create a façade of advanced delivery without the accompanying efficacy.

Phytosomal vs. Non-Phytosomal Phosphatidylcholine:
  • True Phytosomal Delivery: Involves a phosphatidylcholine molecule that forms a complex with or encases an active ingredient, enhancing its absorption.
  • Basic Phosphatidylcholine: Simply included as a stand-alone ingredient without complexing it with other nutrients, offering no enhanced delivery benefits.
There’s a huge difference between real science and a sales pitch.

Terms like “phytosomal” may be used loosely or inaccurately, creating confusion among consumers who assume that any presence of phosphatidylcholine indicates a true phytosomal delivery system.

Just because an ingredient appears on a label with phosphatidylcholine, it does not mean that it is a true phytosomal, it may in many cases simply be a proprietary blend that is all for show and marketing and to help some brands increase their profit margins.

UrsoSORB™ is a true Ursolic Acid Phytosome.
You know, Im shocked me haven't seen an Apigenin Phytosome yet.
Steve, could Epicatechin also benefit from the same technology for better absorption? Would you consider making it? Epi has definitely become one of my favorite supps.
Anything that falls within the catechin/flavonoid/polyphenol category would benefit greatly with Phytosome technology as they generally all suffer bioavailability issues. However, bioperine and Astragin help overcome that hurdle somewhat and I believe Epi-Plex has bioperine.
 
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