Tell SNS What You Would Like to See From Us (2020 Edition)

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We had a thread last year that produced a lot of suggestions. Some we were already able to offer and some are in various stages of production.

I wanted to start a fresh thread to get some ideas to see what people would like to see from SNS and Competitive Edge Labs in 2020.

Feel free to suggest single ingredient and/or combination ideas.

Thanks and I look forward to seeing everyone's ideas.
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@sns8778 I'd like to see a solid appetite stimulant. Ever since developing IBS-C, and even though its 90% controlled now, my appetite has not recovered. And I think we all know how important eating is in this game.
 
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@sns8778 I'd like to see a solid appetite stimulant. Ever since developing IBS-C, and even though its 90% controlled now, my appetite has not recovered. And I think we all know how important eating is in this game.
Any suggestions for ingredients?

Btw... I'm glad that it's controlled now. IBS can be brutal.
 
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Any suggestions for ingredients?

Btw... I'm glad that it's controlled now. IBS can be brutal.
Not directed to me, and I have no experience with IBS, but...

1.5g Slippery Elm
1g Agmatine
1g Gentian
2 billion Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086

Split into 2 servings.
 
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Now to decide if I go 3 bottles or 6. The 3-bottle combo with the deal is amazing price wise so it may be worth just stocking up for the rest of the year. 🤷‍♂️
I say 12 - full year :)
 
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Formula and flavor samples are done. That was the biggest thing is that other products just kept bumping it back. Whereas the idea of it is one of my favorites and ones I'm looking most forward to myself, as you know, unfortunately products like that don't traditionally sell as well as some others. We definitely want to do it though and hopefully may have it out within the next couple months.
Any more details regarding this, believe the above post was 5 months ago.
 
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Any more details regarding this, believe the above post was 5 months ago.
Still in line to be done. The Covid situation really did a number on the industry sales wise and created a lot of raw material shortage situations. Things are getting better now supply wise and sales are improving. I think it will likely be out by the end of the year.
 
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Covid is really screwing things up but I’m sure we can all wait.

but if focus xt and energized aminos Vanished due to covid I would break down and cry.
 
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Covid is really screwing things up but I’m sure we can all wait.

but if focus xt and energized aminos Vanished due to covid I would break down and cry.
We are out of Focus XT - Caffeine Free and very low on the Grape Limeade flavor but are good on the others I believe; and hopefully will have those back in soon.

I'm glad to hear that you like them. That's my daily combo myself.
 
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We are out of Focus XT - Caffeine Free and very low on the Grape Limeade flavor but are good on the others I believe; and hopefully will have those back in soon.

I'm glad to hear that you like them. That's my daily combo myself.
I’m in the uk so think I will stock up from powermyself Incase there is a shortage at some point.

yeah using both at a scoop each pre workout, the great thing about this combo is I train then go to work and still feel there is enough lasting energy to get through the shift. This is a big thing for me because so many times in the past I would get to a point in my shift then crash, not good when looking after dementia residents.
 
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I’m in the uk so think I will stock up from powermyself Incase there is a shortage at some point.

yeah using both at a scoop each pre workout, the great thing about this combo is I train then go to work and still feel there is enough lasting energy to get through the shift. This is a big thing for me because so many times in the past I would get to a point in my shift then crash, not good when looking after dementia residents.
Great feedback. And I agree, 1 scoop of each if a great combo of great focused energy for the workout and a good extended energy for after.

Energized Aminos is a product that I really hope the word will get out on more and more people will try.
 
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I’m in the uk so think I will stock up from powermyself Incase there is a shortage at some point.

yeah using both at a scoop each pre workout, the great thing about this combo is I train then go to work and still feel there is enough lasting energy to get through the shift. This is a big thing for me because so many times in the past I would get to a point in my shift then crash, not good when looking after dementia residents.
Works very well .. I start my day with focus XT instead of coffee .. pre workout cel swole and then as sns said energized amino’s post/intra - give them a shot they will provide a nice sustained energy without crash as well.
 
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We are out of Focus XT - Caffeine Free and very low on the Grape Limeade flavor but are good on the others I believe; and hopefully will have those back in soon.

I'm glad to hear that you like them. That's my daily combo myself.
Same combo has been basically my sole supplement use for the last few months. nice and low on the overall stim content, but plenty of boost when I need it.
 
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A ginger supplement, IMO, would be a nice addition. With a high percentage of Gingerols or Shogaols.

Could be a good addition to a prostate formula or anti-inflammatory.

 
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A ginger supplement, IMO, would be a nice addition. With a high percentage of Gingerols or Shogaols.

Could be a good addition to a prostate formula or anti-inflammatory.

I would love to hear your thought on a prostate product.

We have an inflammation product in production now. No ginger in it but I think everyone will be happy with the formula.
 
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I would love to hear your thought on a prostate product.

We have an inflammation product in production now. No ginger in it but I think everyone will be happy with the formula.
Good question. Would need to research more. Graminex G63 I think ranges from 500-1500mg dosage, but would need to confirm. I also think the study that looked at Stinging Nettle for BPH was 120mg 3 times a day.

500mg(?) Graminex G63
360mg(?) Stinging Nettle
320mg Saw Palmetto
200mg Ginger (20% Gingerol? Idk yet)
15mg Lycopene

Honestly curcumin would be a great addition as well.
 
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Any suggestions for ingredients?
Gentian root and atractylodes extract are reported to increase hunger through ghrelin release.

I've tried full spectrum gentian at 600mg with meals, but never noticed anything. I believe a higher extract like 20:1 might be better, but hard to trust what little is out there. Atractylodes extract I can't source for myself, so I dont have any experience.

Other methods are herbs that hit specific cannabinoid receptors that increase hunger. Pretty sure this was the premise behind CL's black hole.
 
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Good question. Would need to research more. Graminex G63 I think ranges from 500-1500mg dosage, but would need to confirm. I also think the study that looked at Stinging Nettle for BPH was 120mg 3 times a day.

500mg(?) Graminex G63
360mg(?) Stinging Nettle
320mg Saw Palmetto
200mg Ginger (20% Gingerol? Idk yet)
15mg Lycopene

Honestly curcumin would be a great addition as well.

Gonna look up some studies .. saw p & nettle are great and ginger just have way too many benefits

You will like the new inflammation product coming out
 
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Gentian root and atractylodes extract are reported to increase hunger through ghrelin release.

I've tried full spectrum gentian at 600mg with meals, but never noticed anything. I believe a higher extract like 20:1 might be better, but hard to trust what little is out there. Atractylodes extract I can't source for myself, so I dont have any experience.

Other methods are herbs that hit specific cannabinoid receptors that increase hunger. Pretty sure this was the premise behind CL's black hole.
Yep, Spilanthes acmella might be a good addition via its N-akylamides.

I believe it’s a similar mechanism of action (regarding appetite) as Anacyclus
 
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Gentian root and atractylodes extract are reported to increase hunger through ghrelin release.

I've tried full spectrum gentian at 600mg with meals, but never noticed anything. I believe a higher extract like 20:1 might be better, but hard to trust what little is out there. Atractylodes extract I can't source for myself, so I dont have any experience.

Other methods are herbs that hit specific cannabinoid receptors that increase hunger. Pretty sure this was the premise behind CL's black hole.
Yep, Spilanthes acmella might be a good addition via its N-akylamides.

I believe it’s a similar mechanism of action (regarding appetite) as Anacyclus
 
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Yep, Spilanthes acmella might be a good addition via its N-akylamides.

I believe it’s a similar mechanism of action (regarding appetite) as Anacyclus
For anyone that likes Spilanthes, we might have something interesting they might like ;)

A high dose of a good extract though would be too expensive for inclusion in a prostate formula.
 
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Alpinia galanga seems interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28910196/: A galanga (E-AG-01) induces a beneficial effect in mental alertness and the combination of A galanga with caffeine impedes the caffeine crash and improves sustained attention at 3 hours.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32412358/: “Post consumption, alertness and calmness scores were significantly increased in the EnXtra, and EnXtra plus caffeine group (p < 0.001) as compared to placebo.”
 
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Alpinia galanga seems interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28910196/: A galanga (E-AG-01) induces a beneficial effect in mental alertness and the combination of A galanga with caffeine impedes the caffeine crash and improves sustained attention at 3 hours.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32412358/: “Post consumption, alertness and calmness scores were significantly increased in the EnXtra, and EnXtra plus caffeine group (p < 0.001) as compared to placebo.”
 

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Alpinia galanga seems interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28910196/: A galanga (E-AG-01) induces a beneficial effect in mental alertness and the combination of A galanga with caffeine impedes the caffeine crash and improves sustained attention at 3 hours.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32412358/: “Post consumption, alertness and calmness scores were significantly increased in the EnXtra, and EnXtra plus caffeine group (p < 0.001) as compared to placebo.”
I haven’t tried enXtra, but Alpina galangal in general, I don’t notice much. Shatter Black Onxy has a 300 mg dose and it doesn’t add focus like Hup A or anything. I also drink it in tea sometimes and don’t notice it affecting my caffeine level or comedown at all. It’s a potentially interesting ingredient but maybe not going to deliver much for customers buying it solo
 
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i saw humanofort was mentioned... maybe in a DRcap??
I could look into the ingredient if enough people were interested. It's expensive and I think there may be some issues with them not licensing it to many people.

I'm not sure if a delayed release capsule would be possible and it still be a decent price though because they are expensive and the ingredient is already so expensive.

Thanks for the suggestion. It's a good one and something I'll look into.
 
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Great feedback. And I agree, 1 scoop of each if a great combo of great focused energy for the workout and a good extended energy for after.

Energized Aminos is a product that I really hope the word will get out on more and more people will try.
I literally attempt to talk every customer out of ON Amino Energy and into Energized Aminos. I explain it like this: The ON stuff tastes good but the amino blend reads like a bunch of people sitting in a meeting room asked what do we have left over every month after making everything else we need and will be cheap to slap together???? There is NO rhyme or reason to the blend in that product yet it sells so well. So far I am converting people one by one.
 
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I literally attempt to talk every customer out of ON Amino Energy and into Energized Aminos. I explain it like this: The ON stuff tastes good but the amino blend reads like a bunch of people sitting in a meeting room asked what do we have left over every month after making everything else we need and will be cheap to slap together???? There is NO rhyme or reason to the blend in that product yet it sells so well. So far I am converting people one by one.
it really is amazing the difference between a really well formulated product and caffeine + garbage bcaa mix. I've always been very against stims in an amino product because it limits the use to early in the day, but I found that with Energized aminos I get a much smoother ride and more focus than just pure rush of energy. I had a few samples of some other bcaa products with caff etc laying around and have been sprinkling them in here and there to compare and its like night and day difference. basically feels like taking a caffeine pill vs taking something more like focus xt when I take EA thanks to the smooth up and down with no real spike or any crash
 
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I literally attempt to talk every customer out of ON Amino Energy and into Energized Aminos. I explain it like this: The ON stuff tastes good but the amino blend reads like a bunch of people sitting in a meeting room asked what do we have left over every month after making everything else we need and will be cheap to slap together???? There is NO rhyme or reason to the blend in that product yet it sells so well. So far I am converting people one by one.
Thank you. And that's a great way of explaining it. With ON Amino Energy, I think their goal was simply to make a good tasting product that could have the key words that customers wanted to hear - caffeine, amino acids, etc. - and sell at 19.99 or less. Which they've succeeded and sold millions worth of it. I hope that one day enough people realize the quality advantage and the better energy effects of SNS Energized Aminos and give it a try.
 
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Thank you. And that's a great way of explaining it. With ON Amino Energy, I think their goal was simply to make a good tasting product that could have the key words that customers wanted to hear - caffeine, amino acids, etc. - and sell at 19.99 or less. Which they've succeeded and sold millions worth of it. I hope that one day enough people realize the quality advantage and the better energy effects of SNS Energized Aminos and give it a try.
One thing that would help would be if the owners of teacrine would advertise, promote awareness(I hear that's a big thing these days......) as almost NO ONE outside of us "insiders/supplement junkies," have a fricken clue what it is and why it matters that it is in there.

I do tell people that a double scoop can also be their preworkout and that seals the deal for some people.

I actually had a customer call the other product in question his "hungry juice," as it makes him and his coworkers hungry after drinking it. Why the hell would you continue to buy a product that makes you hungry??? He left that day with EA. I basically tell people if all you care about is flavor buy a bottle of caffeine tabs and crystal lite/mio you will save a fortune vs that other stuff.
 
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One thing that would help would be if the owners of teacrine would advertise, promote awareness(I hear that's a big thing these days......) as almost NO ONE outside of us "insiders/supplement junkies," have a fricken clue what it is and why it matters that it is in there.

I do tell people that a double scoop can also be their preworkout and that seals the deal for some people.

I actually had a customer call the other product in question his "hungry juice," as it makes him and his coworkers hungry after drinking it. Why the hell would you continue to buy a product that makes you hungry??? He left that day with EA. I basically tell people if all you care about is flavor buy a bottle of caffeine tabs and crystal lite/mio you will save a fortune vs that other stuff.
Ya the Teacrine is awesome in it and is dosed very well. I haven't been using it as much lately, but dipped back into my tub this past week and enjoyed. Going to get back to using it pre-workout now.
 
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I love Teacrine. To me, its a very feel good extended energy.
 
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I love Teacrine. To me, its a very feel good extended energy.
100% agreed. I never really appreciated stuff like that (stims but not just for the "crazy energy") in years past but it really does make a big difference in the gym as well as for a generally more versatile supplement.
 
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I could look into the ingredient if enough people were interested. It's expensive and I think there may be some issues with them not licensing it to many people.

I'm not sure if a delayed release capsule would be possible and it still be a decent price though because they are expensive and the ingredient is already so expensive.

Thanks for the suggestion. It's a good one and something I'll look into.
PM coming your way.
 
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Does Nuliv allow for companies to put out their products as a single ingredient? The only single ingredient ActiGin product I can find is by Nuliv themselves (100mg/cap, 60 caps, ~$35).

I may purchase at some point to see how I like 100mg/day for a couple months.
 
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New study on Robuvit at 300 mg/day for 4 weeks.

I've been on 200mg for as long as I can remember. I really do think it helps with fatigue management for me.
 

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