Supplements Do Not Work

corsaking said:
Give the guy a break -there is a lot of rubbish out there coupled with supplement companies making wild claims in their advertising ,so its quite possible to have a run on supplements that have had no effect-hence his comments.
Through research on forums like this one it,and supplement review sites you can find out the supps that come well recommended but even when you read those, there'll always be somebody that they havent worked for -unfortunately thats just the way it is
He just might be one.
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^^^agreed^^^^^^. im not sure if this guys a newbie, but some supplement companies prey on the novice/beginner who are uneducated in supplementation and they fall for the marketing hype and the 20 page articles about a supplement in magazines.

beater is on to something with the classic supps that been hangin around for a decade plus: ie ..creatine..whey proteins..ect. yes, they are cheap(er) because the raws are inexpensive, and although they are enhancements, it still requires hard work and diet to get the most out of the supplement. Alot of PH's and Stims that did work well, are banned. And why? because they are not safe? or because it pisses the FDA off that it interferes with their pharmacutical co's. and the almighty$$$.

If ephedra or MaHuang is dangerous. Then why isnt that most of everybody's favorite protein powders not when it contains High Fructose Cornsyrup..the leading cause of obesity in this country? Is it because they want the body builder to eventually get fat over time?? Most protien powders do build muscle..yes...but no matter how "LITE" they make it, it also can make you fat. Ephedra, in contrast worked for most, including me, even with a less than perfect diet. And come on, how many guys do you know dosed 100-200 mg of ephedra a day w/o major problems? but one individual dies at football practice in extreme heat and its ephedras fault..maybe something else was the root cause.

Slim SX...now banned or discontinued. Why? no one really knows about the mystery designer, but it makes ya wonder about all the success alot of ppl had and advertised their results on forums around the world and the FDA steps in. Sure there are sides, the same sides i experienced from ephedra free stacker 2 and caffien laden stims...but they are still around:whiner:
 
Beater said:
There is no way that the very little benefit of legal supplements is worth the 50-60 bucks that alot of these sups cost.

All of these sups live there life and then die away. The only ones that I can honestly think of that have been around for a decade or more is stims and creatine. And coincidentally these are the cheapest.
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I can't disagree with this when your talking about muscle/fitness products. A new claim comes out, " a new better form of creatine or whatever" and everyone buys it and realizes its really not that much better or non effective. The same goes with NO products and muscle pumps. Everyone trys to tell you that their product will give you the ultimate pump. The problem with these products is that you build tolerance. Once you do none of them may work or you may have to take so much of it that the price is just not worth the benifet at all. Your right a high 90 some % of supplements aren't effective enough to be worth your money.

Creatine monohydrate is the king as far a supplementation goes. You can take it with or without food. It's been researched the longest like you said. Caffeine also. Coffee.. people have been drinking it for centuries. We have a lot of supplement addicts on here.. so that's why they are so angry. lol.
 
corsaking said:
Give the guy a break -there is a lot of rubbish out there coupled with supplement companies making wild claims in their advertising ,so its quite possible to have a run on supplements that have had no effect-hence his comments.
Through research on forums like this one it,and supplement review sites you can find out the supps that come well recommended but even when you read those, there'll always be somebody that they havent worked for -unfortunately thats just the way it is
He just might be one.
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If you read between the lines on his post he says that he can't be successful unless he uses steroids. That is very ignorant
 
Id agree, most supps are snake oil and marketed towards the ignorant. No, you wont look like a pro BB'r from using NO products.

Creatine mono
Protein powders
Dextrose
Stims for motivation or fat burning (ie 1,3-dimeth, ephedrine)
Fish oil
Green tea
certain adaptogens such as Panax ginseng
Ginkgo can have almost the same affect as certain NO products
Multi's
Aminos

^ those are tried and true.


you cant really rely on them but some (emphasis on some) do help.
 
corsaking said:
Give the guy a break -there is a lot of rubbish out there coupled with supplement companies making wild claims in their advertising ,so its quite possible to have a run on supplements that have had no effect-hence his comments.
Through research on forums like this one it,and supplement review sites you can find out the supps that come well recommended but even when you read those, there'll always be somebody that they havent worked for -unfortunately thats just the way it is
He just might be one.
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He was talking about money being wasted...in terms of garbage out there, YES, he was correct in that assumption. For the 200-500 or so great products out there which many people on here and other sites can list, are effective. The issue is that there are over 100,000 products out there. So, in that sense, less than 95% work.
 
bigmoe65 said:
Thank you for your time you seem very knowledgeble. I was thinking about using TestoPro, do you have any opinions on that? Its a test booster.
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since starting test cyp around 3 months ago i can tell you nothing compares to test. i will also tell you i can tell one hell of a big difference when i add testopro to the test. the effects of the test cyp are significantly enhanced when i am taking testopro. testopro works!
 
thebigt said:
since starting test cyp around 3 months ago i can tell you nothing compares to test. i will also tell you i can tell one hell of a big difference when i add testopro to the test. the effects of the test cyp are significantly enhanced when i am taking testopro. testopro works!
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Really . . . . . . :yup:
 
UNCnate said:
Title of thread is misleading.

Supplements do not suck. The diets and training routines apparently suck. Thats the problem if you arent making gains.

Supplements, as their name denotes, are meant to supplement something that is already working. Not to fix something that is broken.
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Yes.

jbryand101b said:
actually, supplements are meant to supplement something you aren't or are already getting in your normal diet.

I.E: take the place of.
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What?

Beater said:
Hydroxycut does work. Is it worth $50? No, especially since 100 caffiene pills costs $5.
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Way to miss the point. (which was that you can't say 'supplements don't work', when there are supplements that unequivocally do work). It's his fault if he buys retarded supps for his dumb ass. :op:
 
Another idiotic post. Honestly why did u even post that. If supplements didn't work, would these companies exist? If a brand new motor company came out claiming to sell hovering cars, but the cars didn't hover, the company would become non-existant within weeks.
 
Renagade860 said:
Another idiotic post. Honestly why did u even post that. If supplements didn't work, would these companies exist? If a brand new motor company came out claiming to sell hovering cars, but the cars didn't hover, the company would become non-existant within weeks.
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That is an easy question to answer: Hope. People want to believe they can get the results promised. People also want a quick fix.

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Renagade860 said:
Another idiotic post. Honestly why did u even post that. If supplements didn't work, would these companies exist? If a brand new motor company came out claiming to sell hovering cars, but the cars didn't hover, the company would become non-existant within weeks.
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This is the true idiotic statement! Your # of posts and rep count can't help either.
 
jakellpet said:
That is an easy question to answer: Hope. People want to believe they can get the results promised. People also want a quick fix.

If you like my avi, please rep me :)
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Yes we all want to look like the guys in the Mens health ( a more realistic goal) or in Flex magazine .

So a supplement company puts the photo of a guy muscled up to the eyeballs along side the supplement in an ad and it sells the supplement .Why because as the previous poster said -it gives hope That by taking the supplement we might get somewhere to looking like the guy in the ad.

Unfortunately , there are many of us that are gullable enough to fall for that but those with experience have learnt their lesson.

Ive always believed that given the right marketing , glossy ad campaign etc , that if dog s**t was promoted as the next big thing to gaining muscle , there would be a percentage of guys who would fall for that and buy it.
 
Renagade860 said:
Another idiotic post. Honestly why did u even post that. If supplements didn't work, would these companies exist? If a brand new motor company came out claiming to sell hovering cars, but the cars didn't hover, the company would become non-existant within weeks.
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Not really. Its like a sh*ttty album that sells because of said expectations or hype. Then you pop that B*tch in the player and you're like....wtf :soapbox:

Explain to me how NO xplode is the top 5 of most retailers list of bestsellers, yet it sucks balls. reason: because there will always be the new wave of Noobs who fall for the hype. or the idiots who continually buy it because they fail to realize that a superficial pump is not really netting you any new muscle.
 
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I cannot say a statistical number but there are quite a few supplements that have not worked for anyone.
There are some that work for almost everyone.(Real Gear, Test/HGH injectable, protein/creatine/BCAA's etc.)
There are some that work for some and not others for various reasons.
And yes the companies selling the stuff that is bogus do make money on the front end before people realize the truth.
Still its a personal choice. And as some here have already said, unless you have a clean diet, enough sleep, and an effective workout routine, then it may not work as well.
Although some things work even if your diet and sleep may be a little off.

A lot of the marketing is overkill. But its usually to outshine a competitors product and to get people to make that initial purchase. Just the devil that is known. Would be nice if the probable effects were lowered to something more feasible, but it would defeat the purpose of advertising.

All we can do is be as careful as we can as consumers and if we get a lemon supplement charge it to the game.
Buying supplements does have a better long term gain than gambling. lolz.
 
I agree with everyone in here about the overkill marketing of supplements (especially since most of them are basically a tub of sugar claiming to make you look like an IFBB Pro in 10 days). I just did not like the way the original post was worded. I have been natural for 10 years and, as someone stated, creatine, bcaa's, protein, multi, fish oil, caffeine, preworkout N.O. supps, etc. all work wonders if you are willing to put yourself through the self-motivated torture of a rigorous training program. I was just saying that the OP came off as saying "All supps are crap so I need steroids". But all in all, you guys are completely right on the outlandish claims of most supplements *cough* Muscletech *cough*. I can barely walk in a GNC without laughing sometimes. But to the OP get some creatine, bcaa's, multivitamins, and protein!
 
Renagade860 said:
Another idiotic post. Honestly why did u even post that. If supplements didn't work, would these companies exist? If a brand new motor company came out claiming to sell hovering cars, but the cars didn't hover, the company would become non-existant within weeks.
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The original post wasn't all that great man but your post here isn't much better to be honest. Most supplements are just frankly crap. You just have to know what to spend your money on to not buy those supplements and to buy proven supplements that actually work. As someone stated, people are always looking for a quick fix. That will never change as long as we live and is even worse in our time than any other time in the past. So why do these companies exist? Because they know that the general, uneducated public will fall head over heels for their supplements if they say that they work miracles (because hardly anyone is willing to do the research and figure out what works).
 
juice3320 said:
I agree with everyone in here about the overkill marketing of supplements (especially since most of them are basically a tub of sugar claiming to make you look like an IFBB Pro in 10 days). I just did not like the way the original post was worded. I have been natural for 10 years and, as someone stated, creatine, bcaa's, protein, multi, fish oil, caffeine, preworkout N.O. supps, etc. all work wonders if you are willing to put yourself through the self-motivated torture of a rigorous training program. I was just saying that the OP came off as saying "All supps are crap so I need steroids". But all in all, you guys are completely right on the outlandish claims of most supplements *cough* Muscletech *cough*. I can barely walk in a GNC without laughing sometimes. But to the OP get some creatine, bcaa's, multivitamins, and protein!
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Bro I am the one that said creatine, protein, fish oil and BCAAs are what work. I merely said all this new cutting edge crap is BS and the tried and true (and much less expensive) sups are what work.
 
Why does everyone have that same avatar, I'm tired of looking at it.
 
juice3320 said:
If you read between the lines on his post he says that he can't be successful unless he uses steroids. That is very ignorant
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Your posts are crap. How about you stop reading between the lines and just read what people write. You somehow have missed the entire point all while feeling you are smart for being able to analyze extremely straight forward and simple conversation.
 
Renagade860 said:
Another idiotic post. Honestly why did u even post that. If supplements didn't work, would these companies exist? If a brand new motor company came out claiming to sell hovering cars, but the cars didn't hover, the company would become non-existant within weeks.
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bro, at least read more than one post before posting on the end of a 3 page thread.
 
poison said:
In that case he should've said "Gakic didn't work" or "Hydroxycut didn't work", not "supplements don't work".


Geez.
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DO you seriously want me to make a list of all supplements that do not work? Do you have any idea how freaking long that list would be?
 
Every supp I have tried has helped me in one way or another -- whether drastically or minutely. Hell, I will even go as far as to say even if it is only mentally that I think a supp is working that is worth any gains I see.
 
Kevin R said:
Every supp I have tried has helped me in one way or another -- whether drastically or minutely. Hell, I will even go as far as to say even if it is only mentally that I think a supp is working that is worth any gains I see.
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strong placebo effect. So you think that because a sugar pill is marketed as "packing on 10 pounds of earth shattering muscle" and giving you "unadalterated aggression" and you got good results due to placebo then that company deserves your $50 bucks?

If you are that weak minded and don't mind getting ripped while some guy is getting rich off you, then you are part of the problem.
 
UNCnate said:
Title of thread is misleading.

Supplements do not suck. The diets and training routines apparently suck. Thats the problem if you arent making gains.

Supplements, as their name denotes, are meant to supplement something that is already working. Not to fix something that is broken.
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no where did I say that I wasnt making gains. Is there a problem with the literacy rate on this board or something?
 
poison said:
Yes.



What?



Way to miss the point. (which was that you can't say 'supplements don't work', when there are supplements that unequivocally do work). It's his fault if he buys retarded supps for his dumb ass. :op:
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Did you read more than the title? We agree on this topic. So by you thinking I am stupid you actually think you yourself are stupid.
 
supplements are icing on the cake or cherry on the icing of the cake.... they don't build the whole cake itself... just add the extra 10%.

Steroids on the other hand is the baking powder, eggs, thickener of the cake. You Americans are lucky you've got access to PHs still.
 
Out of all this stuff thats out there, i just wonder what the athletes will be using to enhance their training programme for the 2012 Olympics. If we can get an insight into that information , then it should become obvious what works and what doesnt.

If anyone replies to this comment please dont come back and say therell be using aas/ph -a small minority maybe but thats all
 
corsaking said:
Out of all this stuff thats out there, i just wonder what the athletes will be using to enhance their training programme for the 2012 Olympics. If we can get an insight into that information , then it should become obvious what works and what doesnt.

If anyone replies to this comment please dont come back and say therell be using aas/ph -a small minority maybe but thats all
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they'll be using aas/ph.
 
corsaking said:
what did i say? ill remind you "If anyone replies to this comment please dont come back and say therell be using aas/ph -a small minority maybe but thats all "

do you go through red lights as well?
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They have VERY strict supplement guidelines. In all honesty there is very little they are allowed to take. Other then ph's and aas, probably just the staple supplements, maybe something like cordygen5.
 
corsaking said:
what did i say? ill remind you "If anyone replies to this comment please dont come back and say therell be using aas/ph -a small minority maybe but thats all "

do you go through red lights as well?
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sorry about that, I didn't see that.
 
corsaking said:
what did i say? ill remind you "If anyone replies to this comment please dont come back and say therell be using aas/ph -a small minority maybe but thats all "

do you go through red lights as well?
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if you believe that ive got a bridge id like to sell you....
 
i was looking at some pics of bodybuilders of the 50s/60s today -the Steve Reeves /Charles Atlas era and some of those guys really did look good, It wasnt just size either , there was good muscle definition. Sophisticated supplements were certainly not available then nor were there the amount of supplement companies as there is now.
However AAS were.Its not easy to say if everyone had access to AAS in the 1950s/60s but they must have been some who were able to get hold of them.(law of averages)

So when protein sources were mainly milk and eggs and desiccated liver , it illustrates that perhaps we are getting too involved and becoming supplement junkies when it really boils down to hard work , good nutrition , plenty of rest and genetics.
 
Beater said:
Your posts are crap. How about you stop reading between the lines and just read what people write. You somehow have missed the entire point all while feeling you are smart for being able to analyze extremely straight forward and simple conversation.
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Well....I am at Vanderbilt University in Med School.....where do you go to school? :D:bigok:
 
Beater said:
So we all know that about 95% of supplememnts are not worth the cost to benefit ratio. Why do I keep trying them?

The only good stuff has been outlawed.
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Son of a ....., well crap, somebody owes me alot of money.:deal: I better get on the phones.
 
#1. No supplement is going to make you look like the guy that doesn't have the myostatin gene that inhibits growth.

#2 Supps work. But not without proper training and food intake. Kinda like nitrous on an AMC Pacer that hasn't had it's oil changed in a year, is silly. Man up and take some time to plan. Or heck...pay for a good plan from a good trainer/nutritionist.

Now, all that being said, there are some products that aren't optimum for me. But everything is like that if you think about it.
 
Unfortunately, supplements do not come in miracle pill form. Which obviously this thread proves that sometimes we forget... including myself sometimes.


Especially after you take an AAS or a PH, everything else seems insignificant.
 
I was feeling like I needed a "dumbing down", so I decided to stop by this thread. YUP!! Worked like a charm. I can't walk and chew bubblegum now at the same time.
 
bezoe said:
From retard high? I thought you got held back...
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You lower the standards enough and er'ebody gradeeates. :bigok:

GICH
 
Beater said:
Did you read more than the title? We agree on this topic. So by you thinking I am stupid you actually think you yourself are stupid.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say


























shut the **** up

Have fun backpeddling your way out of this thread. :gives:
 
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