Stuff is really heating up in the mideast...

[Spartan117]

I'm not saying something should not be done. I'm just saying that we sit here throwing out pieces of interviews and editorials that support our idealogies of why action should be taken when none of has been raised in that environment and cannot understand why they are really at war. There is no easy answer to their conflict. As for the UN doing something, theyr'e pretty much worthless. They may come up with some stiffer laws, but will they enforce them?? I'd like to see something good come of all of this, but it won't. Attitudes and belief systems will have to change before anything positive will happen.

 

[BioHazzard]

Before we sing praise of what a bunch of charming nice fellows, good ol' boys who are only interested in making a few bucks dealing in moonshine, the Hizballah really are, here is a speech by The Secretary General of Hizbullah, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah.

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His worldview and his love for America and the Americans are very heart warming. How can you hate such a lovely fellow.....:hammer: How can we ever doubt that a man with such firm grasp of reality, would ever lop a WMD? Shocker!

I think we should give him the OSCAR, as some people have said that he was just putting up a front, where in fact all they care about is to be Mother Theresa to their people and be the Soprano at night.

Here are some of his speech, broadcasted via Al-Manar, Hizubullah's own TV station. The speech is translated.

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All those were said before the latest firefight.

Here is a good one. THis is an interview with an ex Secretary General who moans about his old gangs getting lazy and not actively invading Israel. Surprisingly, he hates the Iranians and complained that his boys have become nothing more than a tool for the Iranians.....

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[BioHazzard]

I would like for you guys to keep an eye on the UN during these times and the continued call from the worlds nations to support them.

The UN really doesnt have to much power yet but I think that this is going to change very shortly.


And honestly It makes me think what kind of actions that a world governing body would empose to try and protect peace???

I can bet some new laws are going to pop up after they do get more power regarding some of the key factors in war......... namely religion

I am quite sure that we would be better off watching Homer Simpsons rerun than to pay attention to the UN......

 

[BioHazzard]

I'm not saying something should not be done. I'm just saying that we sit here throwing out pieces of interviews and editorials that support our idealogies of why action should be taken when none of has been raised in that environment and cannot understand why they are really at war. There is no easy answer to their conflict. As for the UN doing something, theyr'e pretty much worthless. They may come up with some stiffer laws, but will they enforce them?? I'd like to see something good come of all of this, but it won't. Attitudes and belief systems will have to change before anything positive will happen.

Oh yes, 2 good things are coming. The dismantle of Hamas in Gaza and that of Hezballah in South Lebanon. Israel is not going to live under the threat of mortal enemy's daily rocket bombardment. No nation would. What must be done, will be done.

 

[delta314]

I am quite sure that we would be better off watching Homer Simpsons rerun than to pay attention to the UN......

I see Marge has amnesia and has to learn to love Homer all over again.......still beats the UN hands down!!!

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Kwyck, I never said be sensitive to others of different cultural beliefs. My point is its not so simple to sit back and say Israel is right or wrong. There are 100s of years of attitude and belief development that has become an intrinsic part of who these people are. We look at and see someones freedom being taken away. Why do we look at it like that...because we have been raised in a country whose foundation is based on the right to freedom regardless of beliefs. In terms of protecting our way of life that you mention, I'm not really sure I see the connection between us and what is going on in the Middle East. Maybe you can explain that. These types of converstions are difficult to have like this.

gotcha...my bad. i misread you this time but, like i said, right or wrong really doesn't matter. all that matters is self preservation (to each and every one of us).

 

[ArnoldIsMyIdol]

Israel needs to settle this once and for all. These guys have fought for 1000s of years and won't stop. In a real war someone wins and someone loses. Time to wipe em off the map.

 

[pistonpump]

once a nuke gets involved this will get very very VERY ugly. It always does but the fact that the middle east has most of the world's sources of oil and the effects of a nuke on everything. What happens when full scale war breaks out? the whole world suffers from lack of oil and economies will crumble which will lead to more war....

 

[judge-mental]

how is hizballa not a terror group afer blowing the Israelly embassy in argentina, and some jweish school there, killing hundreds of civilians? what, they want to free argentina too?

 

[pistonpump]

in war there are losses israel needs to take its loses and just exterminate those people. I think in time we should help with aerial strikes and intel.

things are really heating up all over actually...

 

[MaynardMeek]

what ever happened to this?


Resolution 1559 (2004)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 5028th meeting, on
2 September 2004


The Security Council,


Recalling all its previous resolutions on Lebanon, in particular resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, resolution 520 (1982) of 17 September 1982, and resolution 1553 (2004) of 29 July 2004 as well as the statements of its President on the situation in Lebanon, in particular the statement of 18 June 2000 (S/PRST/2000/21),

Reiterating its strong support for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders,

Noting the determination of Lebanon to ensure the withdrawal of all non-Lebanese forces from Lebanon,

Gravely concerned at the continued presence of armed militias in Lebanon, which prevent the Lebanese Government from exercising its full sovereignty over all Lebanese territory,

Reaffirming the importance of the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory,

Mindful of the upcoming Lebanese presidential elections and underlining the importance of free and fair elections according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence,

1. Reaffirms its call for the strict respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence of Lebanon under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout Lebanon;

2. Calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon;

3. Calls for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non- Lebanese militias;

4. Supports the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory;
2 S/RES/1559 (2004)

5. Declares its support for a free and fair electoral process in Lebanon’s upcoming presidential election conducted according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence;

6. Calls upon all parties concerned to cooperate fully and urgently with the Security Council for the full implementation of this and all relevant resolutions concerning the restoration of the territorial integrity, full sovereignty, and political independence of Lebanon;

7. Requests that the Secretary-General report to the Security Council within thirty days on the implementation by the parties of this resolution and decides to remain actively seized of the matter.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

You now resolutions really don't matter if they violate the invisible liberal policy of "mass aid to the underdog".

 

[BioHazzard]

Read the speech by the Secretary General of Hizballah. These people are not playing with a full deck of cards.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Yeah...that's a true statement if I have heard one

 

[BioHazzard]

You ain't too bad yourself. You made some of the most accurate posts. :duel:

 

[BioHazzard]

An important point ignored by the mass media. This time around, besides Syria and Iran, who are the sugar daddies of Hizballah, none of the Arab countries have come to defend Hizballah. The king of Saudi basically blamed Hizballah for this mess. Word is, the Arab nations are happy to see Hizballah's wings clipped. They consider it a branch office of the Sh!te Iranians.

I love how the media like to report how Israel attacks this city or that port in Lebanon. What they don't care to point out is, the Israelis are systematically wiping out the weapon stores of Hizballah in those areas. Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties, and yet the media likes to report civilian casualties by Israeli fire. OTOH, Hizballah has been shooting rockets tipped with Syrian made anti-personnel warheads, at civilian centers. I thought that is considered war crime nowaday. Imagine the indignation and cry of outrage if it was the Israelis that fired those anti-personnel rockets at civilian centers. :aargh:

 

[jomi822]

this religious war **** is pure stupidity. i mean if we want to be completely serious about things, these people are all fighting over what amounts to a bunch of stories in a book. all religion should be wiped off the face of the planet. it has no place in a modern world. i do not care what your "beliefs" are. stop causing problems or you, your family, and your country will sufffer. it is impossible to be precise with the extermination, innocent people will die.

i do not believe in santa, i do not believe in the easter bunny, i do not believe in the tooth fairy, and the rest of the world needs to wake the **** up and stop believing in their 2000 year old story books aka bible torah koran, etc

 

[oswizzle]

this religious war **** is pure stupidity. i mean if we want to be completely serious about things, these people are all fighting over what amounts to a bunch of stories in a book. all religion should be wiped off the face of the planet. it has no place in a modern world. i do not care what your "beliefs" are. stop causing problems or you, your family, and your country will sufffer. it is impossible to be precise with the extermination, innocent people will die.

i do not believe in santa, i do not believe in the easter bunny, i do not believe in the tooth fairy, and the rest of the world needs to wake the **** up and stop believing in their 2000 year old story books aka bible torah koran, etc

Couldnt have said it better myself homie :hammer:

 

[oswizzle]

Ah osw... I noticed you ignored the part where I pointed out how wrong you were about the land not being the Israelis' in the first place.

I didnt ignore anything....my opinion stands...the land was hand given to the Jews by the British and Americans...Prior to that... pre-WWII...the land belonged to the Palestinians...but if u believe in Fairy Tales ...then its the Jews land from Thousandsssssssss of years ago...either way u cannot front on that...truth is Imperialism rules da world....2pac said it best "its a White Mans World" I'm sure Israel see's it the same way.

 

[brogers]

this religious war **** is pure stupidity. i mean if we want to be completely serious about things, these people are all fighting over what amounts to a bunch of stories in a book. all religion should be wiped off the face of the planet. it has no place in a modern world. i do not care what your "beliefs" are. stop causing problems or you, your family, and your country will sufffer. it is impossible to be precise with the extermination, innocent people will die.

i do not believe in santa, i do not believe in the easter bunny, i do not believe in the tooth fairy, and the rest of the world needs to wake the **** up and stop believing in their 2000 year old story books aka bible torah koran, etc

Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot didn't seem to care much about religion when the slaughtered millions.

The root problem is sick people. Some justify it with religion, some justify it with politics, etc. I think it's pretty clear who the sickos are in this situation.

BTW, it seems the hypocritical to suggest killing religious people because you hate religious wars, which in fact itself would be a religious war.

 

[ArnoldIsMyIdol]

this religious war **** is pure stupidity. i mean if we want to be completely serious about things, these people are all fighting over what amounts to a bunch of stories in a book. all religion should be wiped off the face of the planet. it has no place in a modern world. i do not care what your "beliefs" are. stop causing problems or you, your family, and your country will sufffer. it is impossible to be precise with the extermination, innocent people will die.

i do not believe in santa, i do not believe in the easter bunny, i do not believe in the tooth fairy, and the rest of the world needs to wake the **** up and stop believing in their 2000 year old story books aka bible torah koran, etc

While I don't agree with your atheist perspective, I do agree that religion has caused more ****ing trouble in the world than anything else.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

I didnt ignore anything....my opinion stands...the land was hand given to the Jews by the British and Americans...Prior to that... pre-WWII...the land belonged to the Palestinians...but if u believe in Fairy Tales ...then its the Jews land from Thousandsssssssss of years ago...either way u cannot front on that...truth is Imperialism rules da world....2pac said it best "its a White Mans World" I'm sure Israel see's it the same way.

It was a british territory when it was given to the jews.

If you wanna talk about "pre wwii" you may as well not stop there. the the romans had it before the muslims, and the jews had it before the romans, and so on and so forth.

you're a freggin' idiot dude. let go of your "white mans world" crap. the simple fact is the europeans as a whole were succesful and did absolutely nothing differnt than any other civilization would have, or had already attempted to do to them. they werent' the only ones to take over lands that werent theirs to begin with. in fact, a large portion of the lands that the arabs now occupy were not their lands. israel was holy land to the jews 5000 years before islam even existed and before the jews wre forced from their land originally by the romans (which, as i explained earlier, was taken over by the muslims, a large portion of the reason for the initiaion of the "crusades"). NOTE: I don't think people should be giving back land b/c it was "someone elses x-years ago", I'm just illustrating how moronic "oswizzle" sounds. IMO, the land belongs to its occupants, period.

get over the past and get an education. your ignorance is astounding, but, not surprising. "fairy tales" my ass you uneducated moron. might as well start spouting off that the holocaust never took place.

 

[BioHazzard]

Blaming religion is like blaming guns for crimes.

Religions don't kill people. Guns don't kill people. Rotten people kill people!!!:hammer: :hammer:

This reminds me of the braindead community activists protesting against guns and violence. No sh1t! Genius! It ain't no gun nor some abstract thing called violence that is killing people! It's your own rotten, drug dealing scumbags that are killing people on the streets.

There are billions of peaceful Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, etc etc. These religious people are not the problem. The problem is the fanatical homicidal scumbags.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Blaming religion is like blaming guns for crimes.

Religions don't kill people. Guns don't kill people. Rotten people kill people!!!:hammer: :hammer:

I used that exact analogy somewhere in this thread

GMTA, my friend

 

[bioman]

One can "radicalize" anything.

 

[jrkarp]

I didnt ignore anything....my opinion stands...the land was hand given to the Jews by the British and Americans...Prior to that... pre-WWII...the land belonged to the Palestinians...but if u believe in Fairy Tales ...then its the Jews land from Thousandsssssssss of years ago...either way u cannot front on that...truth is Imperialism rules da world....2pac said it best "its a White Mans World" I'm sure Israel see's it the same way.

Opinion?

How can you have an opinion that is contrary to established HISTORICAL FACT?

Wow.

In your opinion is the earth flat?

 

[jrkarp]

get over the past and get an education. your ignorance is astounding, but, not surprising. "fairy tales" my ass you uneducated moron. might as well start spouting off that the holocaust never took place.

I think that's where he is heading next.

 

[oswizzle]

It was a british territory when it was given to the jews.

If you wanna talk about "pre wwii" you may as well not stop there. the the romans had it before the muslims, and the jews had it before the romans, and so on and so forth.

you're a freggin' idiot dude. let go of your "white mans world" crap. the simple fact is the europeans as a whole were succesful and did absolutely nothing differnt than any other civilization would have, or had already attempted to do to them. they werent' the only ones to take over lands that werent theirs to begin with. in fact, a large portion of the lands that the arabs now occupy were not their lands. israel was holy land to the jews 5000 years before islam even existed and before the jews wre forced from their land originally by the romans (which, as i explained earlier, was taken over by the muslims, a large portion of the reason for the initiaion of the "crusades"). NOTE: I don't think people should be giving back land b/c it was "someone elses x-years ago", I'm just illustrating how moronic "oswizzle" sounds. IMO, the land belongs to its occupants, period.

get over the past and get an education. your ignorance is astounding, but, not surprising. "fairy tales" my ass you uneducated moron. might as well start spouting off that the holocaust never took place.

Nice post from a guy that looks like a str8 Biatch man...Once again Mr Estrogen Boy....Get ur Zionist Views and go preach to ur Rabbi son...your just a classic example of a dude that did M1T for 8 weeks followed up with no post cycle therapy...dont take ur man titty rage out on me.:run:

 

[jrkarp]

lol

Can't even come up with an intelligent, reasoned response.

 

[oswizzle]

lol

Can't even come up with an intelligent, reasoned response.

Jkarp why dont u get off my Nutzz kid and go ask ur lame questions about patents in the MG forums...u seem to have some sort of man love for me or something :jaw:

 

[bpmartyr]

Nice post from a guy that looks like a str8 Biatch man...Once again Mr Estrogen Boy....Get ur Zionist Views and go preach to ur Rabbi son...your just a classic example of a dude that did M1T for 8 weeks followed up with no post cycle therapy...dont take ur man titty rage out on me.:run:

Ad hominem attacks only serve to amplify the extent of your ignorance and stupidity. Keep it up swizzle stick and you will be banned from here, trust me. "I don't care! Ban me if you want! Your all just a bunch of stupid heads who eat roids and and stuff!" Yeah, I thought that would be the infantile first reaction of your pathetic juvenile mind. Fvckhead

 

[BioHazzard]

Opinion?

How can you have an opinion that is contrary to established HISTORICAL FACT?

Wow.

In your opinion is the earth flat?

Yes... before WWII, it was flat. And my opinion stands! There is nothing you can front on that! IceCube says so too!

 

[BioHazzard]

I used that exact analogy somewhere in this thread

GMTA, my friend

:cheers: This reminds me of the old saying in the Special Forces. "It isn't that we are this good. It is just that everyone else sucks so badly."

 

[jrkarp]

Jkarp why dont u get off my Nutzz kid and go ask ur lame questions about patents in the MG forums...u seem to have some sort of man love for me or something :jaw:

Hardly.

Your pathetic ignorance just amuses me.

 

[jrkarp]

Yes... before WWII, it was flat. And my opinion stands! There is nothing you can front on that! IceCube says so too!

LOL reps.

EDIT: Or not. "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BioHazzard again."

 

[Brooklyn]

Well, if occupation of a land implies ownership, then I suppose there really was no reason for us fighting Germany in WWII. Of course, if we hadn't fought Germany, Russia could not have become the giant world power and threat to us that they did. After all, Germany took lands like Poland and who took those lands after the war? Uncle Joe and the Red Army. There is no legal rationalization for the "Jewish homeland" in fact it is one of the silliest rationales for establishing a country and kicking out everyone who already lives there. Of course, the U.S. has been a nation with one of the poorest records in this regard...

 

[BioHazzard]

Well, if occupation of a land implies ownership, then I suppose there really was no reason for us fighting Germany in WWII. Of course, if we hadn't fought Germany, Russia could not have become the giant world power and threat to us that they did. After all, Germany took lands like Poland and who took those lands after the war? Uncle Joe and the Red Army. There is no legal rationalization for the "Jewish homeland" in fact it is one of the silliest rationales for establishing a country and kicking out everyone who already lives there. Of course, the U.S. has been a nation with one of the poorest records in this regard...

Correction. The Palestinians left on their own accord. They were not expelled. They abandoned their home and left. Those who stayed, have gained Israeli citizenship. They have prospered under the Israeli government. Those who left, are still stuck in refugee camps in their fellow Arab countries, which continue to refuse to uplift them from their horrible refugee condition.

Do not pretend that the Israeli Arabs are being oppressed.

Barak tried to give them back Gaza, over 90% of the West Bank and even part of Jerusalem. And true to their historical pattern. The Palestinians have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.............

There is no question that life in the Gaza and the West Bank is miserable and harsh. I can sympathize with the civilians there wholeheartedly. It isn't much of a life if you have to get permission at the hands of 18-20 yr old enemy soldiers, just to be able to return home from work. But it is their own murderous misadventure using suicide bombers that forced the Israelis to clamp down on movement and transportation. It is a freaking mess. No question about it.

If they choose to co-exist peacefully, the Israelis would be rotten glad not to have to man those checkpoints and waste billions of dollars in expenditures and lost productivities.

 

[BioHazzard]

... the U.S. has been a nation with one of the poorest records in this regard...

So when are you planning on giving up your home to Chief Crazy Horse and pledge your loyalty to his rule?

 

[MaynardMeek]

Keep it on topic.

 

[jrkarp]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MaynardMeek again."

 

[oswizzle]

Keep it on topic.

 

[Jayhawkk]

We're going to refrain from blanket statements about races, religions etc. This is for political discussions and not about your personal prejudices or ignorance.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Nice post from a guy that looks like a str8 Biatch man...Once again Mr Estrogen Boy....Get ur Zionist Views and go preach to ur Rabbi son...your just a classic example of a dude that did M1T for 8 weeks followed up with no post cycle therapy...dont take ur man titty rage out on me.:run:

It must be horrible to be a complete imbecile...I pity you "son". :lol:

dont' worry though...its not your fault. its genetic. you were born a moron. the son of a couple of morons who came from a whole line of morons. society forgives you for this reason. we've even got a job waiting for you at walmart as a greater. we'll even included a drool pan for you.

you may hate me b/c i'm destined for great things and you're an idiot...but me...well, I'll always take care of you through welfare. jesus has nothing on me

 

[krenalor]

Face it Israel is going to do what they do best, kick butt. The Arabs will do what they do best, die, run away, fight badly. I look forward to Syria's rusty export version of the T-62 and T-72 being used for target practice by Israel's Merkava on Fox News.
It's real easy, disarm Hezbollah or declare war on Israel and man up and take the pounding. You aren't giving the terrorist a place to hide then whine when the rent is due.
Syria, pffft, saved last time by the Soviet Union, and they don't exist anymore. Iran, to far away and to many hate them. Give the U.S. an excuse and Israel won't have to worry about Iran anyway.

 

[RenegadeRows]

Israel put up a fence in Gaza along the border of Palestine and Israel, to stop suicide bombers and terrorists from coming into their country; to help maintain peace. What happened? They dug a tunnel UNDER the fence, kidnapped 2 Israeli soilders and killed 3 others.

There's only so much you can take.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

great post!

:goodpost:

 

[MaynardMeek]

So as recently as 2001, CNN was telling us what a dangerous bunch of thugs Hezbollah is, and now they do a puff piece on Nose-hair Nasrallah, or whatever his name is. 'He's a charismatic leader! Builds roads! Creates sewers! Probably even runs abortion clinics for all we know! He just does everything right!

It's eerily similar to what people said about Adolf Hitler when you look at what they're saying about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 'It's no big deal. He's just huffing and puffing. He's insane. He doesn't really mean this! We can make deals with him. We can fix this.' Eerily, eerily the same

We declared war on terror. You can't negotiate with these people. You have to defeat them. That's what war is -- and you defeat them by killing them. 'But they're human beings!!! Just like you and me!' No, they are not human beings just like us. You and I don't go chopping off heads of news reporters, or mailing their body parts back to their home land.

We have to give all support we can to Israel. Their objective is in the best interest of the free world. Even Saudi's and other Arab states are not behind this terrorist group.... they are not "for" israel but it says alot when you wont back a group that is bent on killing a entire country.

But I know what the media would say. "we can't spend one more american life in the middle east" In World War II, the United States suffered around 92,000 battle deaths in the Pacific theater alone. Ninety-two thousand in the Pacific theater! Can you imagine how it would have gone if the Media were there back then, counting up the deaths.



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[RenegadeRows]

So as recently as 2001, CNN was telling us what a dangerous bunch of thugs Hezbollah is, and now they do a puff piece on Nose-hair Nasrallah, or whatever his name is. 'He's a charismatic leader! Builds roads! Creates sewers! Probably even runs abortion clinics for all we know! He just does everything right!

It's eerily similar to what people said about Adolf Hitler when you look at what they're saying about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 'It's no big deal. He's just huffing and puffing. He's insane. He doesn't really mean this! We can make deals with him. We can fix this.' Eerily, eerily the same

We declared war on terror. You can't negotiate with these people. You have to defeat them. That's what war is -- and you defeat them by killing them. 'But they're human beings!!! Just like you and me!' No, they are not human beings just like us. You and I don't go chopping off heads of news reporters, or mailing their body parts back to their home land.

We have to give all support we can to Israel. Their objective is in the best interest of the free world. Even Saudi's and other Arab states are not behind this terrorist group.... they are not "for" israel but it says alot when you wont back a group that is bent on killing a entire country.

But I know what the media would say. "we can't spend one more american life in the middle east" In World War II, the United States suffered around 92,000 battle deaths in the Pacific theater alone. Ninety-two thousand in the Pacific theater! Can you imagine how it would have gone if the Media were there back then, counting up the deaths.



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Very well put MM.

 

[pistonpump]

i like that post MM, I agree totally. we waged a war on terror and israel has been our ally i think we should support them any way we can although i dont believe we should have any ground support there. let israel do their thang, the have had enuff and i would love to see them kick their ass.

 

[glg]

So if I were a conspiracy theorist....

Bush would really really like to take out Iran since they have oil and tell him (and the rest of the world) to stick up his...

We went into afganistan, then we went into Iraq now we are making a lot of noises about Iran.

We support Israel in just about every way possible (no judgement on this is implied).

We encourage Israel to protect themselves by going after Hezballah (sp?) very agressively...they are bacvked by Syria and suprise..Iran.

Sryria and or Iran reacts and actively intervenes which causes Israel to escalate which causes the other of the two to intervene which brings us (under the guise of the UN) to intervene and Bush gets to go into Iran.

Who knows which other mid-east nations/groups will get involved...WWIII???