musclehustler
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clenbuterol and cytomel! **** the rest,,,,bunch of caffiene tabs
Stronger Fatburner?
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ax1
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the thread is really about "legal" supplements, but yes we know that is pretty extreme fat burning there.
JBerto
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Well, i think i must try it (stacked with Dicana or TT33 and ClearShot), but if i don't get results i'll have to kick your ass
thebigt
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i liked the old version too. i have only tried a sample pack of the new version but i just made my axis order and have some of the v2 coming. i highly recommend you try the hemodraulix, it is my favorite axis product and i get leaning effects from it solo-combined with the adipo-v2 should be nice.
i think you can still find version 1 of adipo if you look- i can't really compare it to the new version- yet.
thebigt
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Well, i think i must try it (stacked with Dicana or TT33 and ClearShot), but if i don't get results i'll have to kick your ass
you stack oep with clearshot you are gonna get a real nice stim buzz.
Tomahawk88
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Yup I ran across Apido version 1 the other day. To think there was a 1 before a 2 :silly:
thebigt
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well i have the new version coming, so i hope it is as good or better-label looks real nice. stacked with the hemodraulix should be very cool.
Tomahawk88
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Ya JudoJosh ran a log of it and seemed to really like it.
thebigt
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i am going to be throwing up a log as soon as i get all my stuff together.
JBerto
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footballfam
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Did you try SX? If so, how does OEP compare?
thebigt
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yeah, since i am a axis rep now i am very excited to try it-i already know how much i like the hemodraulix- whatever fatburner you decide on i really recommend stacking with the hemodraulix.
ax1
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doesnt compare at all. like ive said in the previous posts OEP did almost nothing for me. just a mild energy booster with increased appettite. the energy on OEP with 2 caps is pretty impressive, but the crash i got 4 hours later was terrible. other than that doesnt do anything for me in the fat loss department.
Slim Xtreme on the other hand is the best single fat burning supplement ive used since xenadrine back in the early 2000's. DRAMATIC!
oufinny
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OEP has worked for many so because it did not work for you does not mean it is a choice not to be considered. Are there non-responders, yes, should it be looked at as a choice, most definitely. SX was glorified speed with borderline illegal designer ingredients that many did NOT respond well too... yours truly being one of them. SX reminds me of taking 40 mg of Adderal but not wairing off for 18 hours, nothing about that is either healthy nor safe. :AR15firing:
ax1
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im not saying it wont work for anyone, that is why i always say in my experience, or my opinion.
cant i have a voice withoout the OEP monsters always sticking up for their product? people want to hear both sides of it ya know, if OEP has good enough feedback people will just ignore my opinion. i cant change my mind even if 99.9% of the people love it. my experience still needs to be heard, if i said it works great i would be lying and losing all my credibility. also im introducing killer alternatives that worked incredible for me which i like to share.
thebigt
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but if 99% of people say oep worked for them, and it didn't work for you-then what makes you think the other stuff that worked for you will work for them. you seem to be marching to a different drummer, lol.
as you can see i am a rep for axis and have no vested interest in usplabs or oep- i just had good results on it-you can't get anymore unbiased than that, imo.
ax1
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you have a strong voice big-t, your opinions are always influential to me. just keep in mind if everybody with negative feedback on a product stays silent we cant use forums as a good judgment for product effectiveness so i wont let 99% intimidate me.
if oep works great for most thats wonderful, but at the same time people havent tried my tt-33, 1,3 dim, 200mg caffeine, alpha-burn burn stack which imo anyone who tries it will never look at oep the same again. im basically matching what oep is meant to do but making it better. just my opinion.
keep in mind, i love USP labs Recreate, its my favorite low caffeine all in one fat burner pill out there.
thebigt
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ax1 is really a well informed guy with a lot of experience with this stuff-we just disagree when it comes to oep.
it worked for me-it didn't for him.
ax1
Legend
i would add kelp to that as well, not necessary but the combo in my thyroidal pct worked well so i plan on keeping it that way and suggest it. the iodine will give you more thyroidal support. i wouldnt go any further than that.
keep tt-33 dose away from work out the best you can, or possibly suffer lethargy. i used to take it post workout since my timing had me best spread the 3 servings that way.
ax1
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not totally, we both agree that it worked for you and not for me, :approve:
JBerto
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Well, i think i must try it (stacked with Dicana or TT33 and ClearShot), but if i don't get results i'll have to kick your ass
Well, maybe that stack it's not a good idea.
In bb.com forums an USPLabs rep (strategicmove) posted this:
And DR_P posted this in the same thread:
So OEP can't be stacked with Dicana, TT33, or stims. Are there any thing we can stack with OEP safely?
saggy321
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Never tried SX, but I've all sorts of other fat burners, including ECA, the last run was only a few weeks ago. I have to say the enery I get fro OEP is very clean, so it also helps me with work. I can sit at a desk and get through work without wanting to jump up and down like on ECA.
For me, like most of the others, this has been brilliant for fat loss. This is the first time I've been able to get rid of the stubborn fat around the obliques, lower abs and triceps and only in my first week.
Different strokes for different folks I guess!
saggy321
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JBerto...ignore Dr_P he's speaking crap. His company used to recommend Dicana and one of their stimulants as the ultimate fat loss stack. They have also licenced their dicana product to BSN for Atro-phex product which includes stimulants too. The cynical folk think they are only now saying this because they don't sell a strong stim product.
However, strategic moves seems to know his stuff. For my next cut I'm doing the following.....
4 weeks of OEP
2 weeks of OEP + TT-33 (on low cals to get rid of the really stubborn fat).
If I experience any adverse effects, I'll stop taking the TT-33 until later.
However, strategic moves seems to know his stuff. For my next cut I'm doing the following.....
4 weeks of OEP
2 weeks of OEP + TT-33 (on low cals to get rid of the really stubborn fat).
If I experience any adverse effects, I'll stop taking the TT-33 until later.
saggy321
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I didn't mean for my comment to come off as it did. I was simply asking so I cna understand why someone would take 3 or 4 seperate pills rather than 1. If there's a good reason, ie the potency is higher therefore works better and last longer, then I'm all for it. I have one cut coming up in a couple of months, so planning for that.
MAxximal
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TT-33 HAS A REAL PRECURSOR FOR T2 AND NOT T3 OR T4
SO OEP HAS IN IT HERBAL EXTRACTS TO BOOST THYROIDS? LIKE RECREATE
OK BOTH HAS THYROID BOOSTERS PRECURSORS AND THIS IS A SICK COMBO
WHY NOT USE ANOTHER THYROID BOOSTER?????
I SAY OEP+TT-33 ( @ full dose) IMO IS THE MOST INSANE AND SICK FAT DEMOLITION EVER CREATED
SO OEP HAS IN IT HERBAL EXTRACTS TO BOOST THYROIDS? LIKE RECREATE
OK BOTH HAS THYROID BOOSTERS PRECURSORS AND THIS IS A SICK COMBO
WHY NOT USE ANOTHER THYROID BOOSTER?????
I SAY OEP+TT-33 ( @ full dose) IMO IS THE MOST INSANE AND SICK FAT DEMOLITION EVER CREATED
saggy321
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Bro.....I'm in agreement with you here! Will do the full stack for next cut. This gonna be insane!!
ax1
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im in theory matching all of OEP's functions but with a more powerful thyroidal supplements.
OEP has caffeine and geranium, so im covering those 2 in bulk and cheap
OEP had Alhpa-Yohimne which im covering that as well in my stack
OEP has thyroidal boosters, im replacing that with the powerful TT-33
got what im saying here?
ax1
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tt-33 is powerful enough that i highly recommend a pct for it. i wouldnt even go over 3 caps. i wouldnt waste my time adding more thyroidal supplements on top of tt-33. 3,3 and 3,5 diio is treid and true over and over again for many users including myself. its also tested not to cause suppression or at least minimize it in its ratio, so i wouldnt mess with my thyroid in any other way.
ax1
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cobra 1015
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I am on OEP and ephedrine right now and I don't feel any different then I always do. I have a bit more energy but nothing jittery. I've lost 15 pounds since the first of this month so I'd say its working so far.
oufinny
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That is a ballsy stack you are running and I don't know why you would need that much stimulation. By the way, you must have a lot of fat mass to lose 15 pounds in that short a time... almost a pound a day. Either your calories are stupid low of the majority of that is glycogen depletion. Sh**, I can lose 5 pounds in 5 days when I am on a more standard 40/40/20 diet just by controlling my carb intake but most likely only .5-1 pounds is fat.
cobra 1015
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I started the month at 223 lb 31% body fat so yes I have alot to lose. I am down to 208lb and 27% as of this morning. Strength and muscle has gone up as well. I couldn't do any pullups when I started and now I can do 10. I can do 50 pushups now and run 4 miles. These are things that many may think is easy but to me it is quite an accomplishment. I eat 2500- 2800 calories a day right now doing very low carbs. Like I said I don't feel much at all so maybe I am a non responder or decreased responder. I started at 252 lb a couple months ago so I am proud of myself so far.
I know alot of weight I have lost is water but I am also down from a size 40 pants to a 36 so fat is going as well.
Edit: Also it is a struggle to eat 2800 calories a day so I can vouch for OEP appetite surpression.
ax1
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your stacking OEP with ECA, how can you vouch for OEP appetite suppression?
ECA is one of the best appetite suppressors ive ever used, but you thank the OEP?
TrynaImprove
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1. Hey cobra, how much that stack cost you?!
2. Would the majority run OEP and TT33 or something else?! I'm almost in the same boat as cobra, but I gained WAY TOO MUCH weight from a weight gainer given to me by my former football coaches. long story. any way, please give me something that in total wont cost me over..... lets say..... $150 and will give me assurance that I will definitely lose ALOT of fat. My diet is already good. Right now I'm sitting at 5'11 220lbs. I dont think too much bf% but its way more than I had before the weight gainer. I used to tighten my abs and see a 6 pack. now i see the words lose the belly fat ass. and im not even chubby-just feel bloated. lol
2. Would the majority run OEP and TT33 or something else?! I'm almost in the same boat as cobra, but I gained WAY TOO MUCH weight from a weight gainer given to me by my former football coaches. long story. any way, please give me something that in total wont cost me over..... lets say..... $150 and will give me assurance that I will definitely lose ALOT of fat. My diet is already good. Right now I'm sitting at 5'11 220lbs. I dont think too much bf% but its way more than I had before the weight gainer. I used to tighten my abs and see a 6 pack. now i see the words lose the belly fat ass. and im not even chubby-just feel bloated. lol
MAxximal
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Although in the past and to a large extent now,
iodothyronines other than T3 have been regarded as
inactive, some evidence supports a biological relevance
of T2 mainly because of its effects on metabolism. The
results reported here provide clear evidence that in
rats, T2 is able to increase the burning of fats reducing
both adiposity and the serum levels of fatty acids,
triglycerides, and cholesterol without inducing thyrotoxicosis
and leading the thyroid axis intact.
The liver, which is a major contributor to
Although in the past and to a large extent now,
iodothyronines other than T3 have been regarded as
inactive, some evidence supports a biological relevance
of T2 mainly because of its effects on metabolism. The
results reported here provide clear evidence that in
rats, T2 is able to increase the burning of fats reducing
both adiposity and the serum levels of fatty acids,
triglycerides, and cholesterol without inducing thyrotoxicosis
and leading the thyroid axis intact.
The liver, which is a major contributor to
ahendi
New member
What do you mean? Sesamin causes man boobs? Ive been taking it for over a year and haven't noticed anything, but would like to look into this. Thanks
TrynaImprove
Member
what about slim xtreme?! ive seen this as another player in the "winning team" you mentioned.
OEP + TT-33 + ClearShot (+ Lean Xtreme for "PCT") and where does Slim Xtreme fit in?!
Whats the cost?! PMs are welcomed too because im a newbie still and always will be compared to some. im interested in this. thanks.
OEP + TT-33 + ClearShot (+ Lean Xtreme for "PCT") and where does Slim Xtreme fit in?!
Whats the cost?! PMs are welcomed too because im a newbie still and always will be compared to some. im interested in this. thanks.
JBerto
Active member
I'm not an expert in this area, but for what I've read, SX give more a "sustained" energy, and ClearShot a "peak" of energy, so if money isn't an issue, maybe we can combine both: SX at wakening and ClearShot pre-workout.
TrynaImprove
Member
thanks. well about how much would this run someone?! and how many bottles of each would you need for a "complete cycle"?!
ax1
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Dr P is just going to try to look after your health. maybe he changed his mind and thought the stack was a bad idea after some time. adding stims to dicana or tt-33 is going to increase the risk of sides. he is doing a good thing looking after peoples health, and he has done good work with quality products and exposing some contaminated products out there.
what BSN is doing, well we need to hear the whole story there. they are 2 different companies, so if BSN wanted to pay to license dicana they have a right to do what they want to do with it. dont blame dr. p for what bsn does. if he wants to sell a strong stim product believe me he has the talent to do so and will, but he is focusing on some newer innovative products for thermolife that are sure to be on my shopping list soon. how many stims do we really need out there? we need to have the whole story straight.
ax1
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SX runs for $100 or more these days, whatever is left of it, plus its potentially cardiotoxic, as good as it is i have chosen not to take it anymore. it makes you feel like on speed for 12 hours, well basically because there was a designer stimulant in it (for legal purposes im not making the claim)
anyways i wouldnt stack OEP with TT-33, TT-33 is strong enough for your thyroid, any more your just being hard core and if thats the case i understand.
DR.D
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I am not so sure about that my friend. I think he is more concerned with cutting down his competition to be honest. Though he has backed off as of late so I will give him credit for that. I do like the Thermo products I've tried, especially E-bol.
BTW, the new Stimulant X is not bad. I saw somebody ask in another post but neglected to give my opinion. It is a longer-lived formula than the previous version, a higher quality of stimulation, yet smoother too IMO. I've been enjoying it at 2/day (3/day on w/o days.)
JBerto
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OK, and what about OEP + Adipoxil?
I think i've read somewhere that the amount of 3,5 and 3,3 in Adipoxil is lower than in TT-33 (not sure on this, please correct me if i'm wrong). And Adipoxil have son other goodies too (Advantra Z, Raspberry ketones,...)
So the "cycle" will be:
the new Stimulant X (at awakening) + OEP + Adipoxil + ClearShot (pre-wo)
And the "PCT":
Lean Xtreme + some diuretic to help in water loss (for example: Axis Labs Xtract)
ax1
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cant comment on Adipoxil and the new stimulant X since i havent tried either of them.
im looking to try stimulant x some day, i have a unopend bottles of the previous+previous version i have to use up first.
there are so many creative combinations out there, just be careful not to overstack some ingrediants like geranium and thyroidal supplements.
ill stick to my first recommendation at this point with the 4 separate supplements.