Stronger Fatburner?

1. Hey cobra, how much that stack cost you?!



Whatever OEP costs plus like $16 for some Bronkaid (Ephedrine) from CVS. OEP has 100 mg per capsule of caffine so I don't add any additional caffine supplement. I don't do the asprin either.

AX1: I can vouche for the OEP's appetite surpression because I have done an EC stack before and did not experience this. Plus I started the OEP a week before I added the E.
 
cobra - does the ephedrine (bronkaid) you get from the pharmacy work as well as the ephedrine hcl that you can purchase on the net?! whats the diff?!

JBerto - how much would your stack run you?! like the one you stated above.
 
more people are finally coming out about OEP, including the hunger problem it causes i know there is more out there that ive seen on other boards.

this bottom link is about ephedra but does include several more negative feedbacks on OEP

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cobra - does the ephedrine (bronkaid) you get from the pharmacy work as well as the ephedrine hcl that you can purchase on the net?! whats the diff?!

JBerto - how much would your stack run you?! like the one you stated above.

This site will give you the info you are looking for. Add (www)to this site and (.htm) to the end of it (hotnfit.com/ecstack) I don't have enough posts to post links apparently.
 
ok, so whats the final verdict on stacking oep + tt-33 ? very close to doing this

wouldnt do it, OEP is supposed to stimulate the thryoid, i wouldnt overdue it tt-33 is hardcore by itself.

you should backtrack this thread and check out my own suggested stack with tt-33.
 
wouldnt do it, OEP is supposed to stimulate the thryoid, i wouldnt overdue it tt-33 is hardcore by itself.

you should backtrack this thread and check out my own suggested stack with tt-33.

I saw it bro, but i ran a quick search on google and seen several people stacking the 2 with no sides.. i fo sho dont want to **** with my thyroid and cause some kind of damage there but it seems like it would be an insane stack..
 
I am not so sure about that my friend. I think he is more concerned with cutting down his competition to be honest. Though he has backed off as of late so I will give him credit for that. I do like the Thermo products I've tried, especially E-bol.

I agree completely. Interesting that nothing changed inthe ingredient profile, but all of a sudden one of the worst things you can do it stack TT-33, or equivalent, with a stimulant!! What new research has come out since then?! Mmmm!
 
tt-33 is powerful enough that i highly recommend a pct for it. i wouldnt even go over 3 caps. i wouldnt waste my time adding more thyroidal supplements on top of tt-33. 3,3 and 3,5 diio is treid and true over and over again for many users including myself. its also tested not to cause suppression or at least minimize it in its ratio, so i wouldnt mess with my thyroid in any other way.

I don't buy the idea that 3,3-T2 is active in regards to increasing metabolism. If you look at the studies, the vast majority of investigations show 3,5-T2 to be effective in this regard, but only a small number of early studies show 3,3-T2 to have any effect. One would expect 3,3-T2 to be inactive, since it is the breakdown product of the inactive rT3. The claims of 3,3-T2 being less suppressive of TSH aren't compelling because one would expect inactive metabolites to be inactive in other functions as well.

If 3,3-T2 actually increased metabolic rate without TSH suppression, then I would suspect that there would be more research into 3,3 and not 3,5, as this would be a great find for obesity research. But this is not the case. 3,5-T2 is the metabolite being investigated in most of the research.
 
I don't buy the idea that 3,3-T2 is active in regards to increasing metabolism. If you look at the studies, the vast majority of investigations show 3,5-T2 to be effective in this regard, but only a small number of early studies show 3,3-T2 to have any effect. One would expect 3,3-T2 to be inactive, since it is the breakdown product of the inactive rT3. The claims of 3,3-T2 being less suppressive of TSH aren't compelling because one would expect inactive metabolites to be inactive in other functions as well.

If 3,3-T2 actually increased metabolic rate without TSH suppression, then I would suspect that there would be more research into 3,3 and not 3,5, as this would be a great find for obesity research. But this is not the case. 3,5-T2 is the metabolite being investigated in most of the research.

dunno what studies your talking about, either way if it exists all i can say the product works very well. there was a guy freaking out cause tt-33 elevated his thyroid over 450. ill have to shoot for all the success i had and others had with 3,3 including from the dicana product.
 
dunno what studies your talking about, either way if it exists all i can say the product works very well. there was a guy freaking out cause tt-33 elevated his thyroid over 450. ill have to shoot for all the success i had and others had with 3,3 including from the dicana product.

You're missing the fact that both of these products contain BOTH T2 isomers and I stated clearly that the research does show that 3,5-T2 is very active.

You can't point to them and claim that 3,3-T2 is active, because 3,5-T2 confounds your evidence. There is a new product at Nutraplanet that claims to only have 3,3-T2. I am interested in hearing the reviews on this one.
 
You're missing the fact that both of these products contain BOTH T2 isomers and I stated clearly that the research does show that 3,5-T2 is very active.

You can't point to them and claim that 3,3-T2 is active, because 3,5-T2 confounds your evidence. There is a new product at Nutraplanet that claims to only have 3,3-T2. I am interested in hearing the reviews on this one.

sorry this is the best i can do now, below, i know it came from a thread involving dinoii, but its not his quote. i has saved this on wordpad but its something me to start with. i know i posted this earlier but in case you missed it. as far as the new product, i cant comment on it.

below is quote:

3,3'-Diiodothyronine
Advantages
* Almost no suppression of TSH/hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis
* Stimulates cytochrome c oxidase - aka decouples Electron Transport Chain (slightly more than 3,5-T2)
* Precursor to T3 & T4 (which have their own metabolic properties of course)

Disadvantages
* Interferes with plasma membrane transport of T3
* No significant increases in growth hormone seen at any dosing levels

3,5-Diiodothyronine
Advantages
* Increases serum levels of growth hormone (GH) comprable to T3
* Stimulates cytochrome c oxidase - aka decouples Electron Transport Chain (slightly less than 3,3'-T2)
* Does not interfere with plasma membrane transport of T3
* Increases activation of Glucose-6-Phosphate Dehydrogenase

Disadvantages
* Suppression of TSH/hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis is only slightly less but comprable to that of T3


Summary
If one is looking for strictly an increase in energy expenditure with less TSH depression, 3,3'-T2 is your answer..... If one is looking for more muscle mass preservation properties aswell and doesn't mind some TSH depression, 3,5-T2 is your answer....

On a final note though, I think T3 supplementation would probably be better than 3,5-T2 supplementation as serum 3,5-T2 as well as 3,3'-T2 concentrations have been shown to rise significantly with a marked rise in serum T3 following T3 administration. Also, just because T3 acts on the protein synthesis mechanism involved in the regulation of the mitochondrial mass (so is more indirect pathway) while both T2 act directly at the mitochondrial level, this doesn't mean it is less effective at interupting the ETC, in fact, T3 has been shown to exhibit slightly more of an effect even though it acts indirectly on the mitochondria....
 
check out this link involving dinoii, remember thyrotabs are 3,3 and thyrocuts are 3,5, dicana is 3,3

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check out this link involving dinoii, remember thyrotabs are 3,3 and thyrocuts are 3,5, dicana is 3,3

I don't think that Thyrotabs are 3,3-diiodo-l-thyronine. They list 3, 3P-iodo-4(4hydroxyphenoxy)-L-phenylalanine as the active. And Dicana lists their product as 1000mcg of an ISOMER mixture of diiodothyroACETIC acids. Not the same as the diiodothyronines.
 
I don't think that Thyrotabs are 3,3-diiodo-l-thyronine. They list 3, 3P-iodo-4(4hydroxyphenoxy)-L-phenylalanine as the active. And Dicana lists their product as 1000mcg of an ISOMER mixture of diiodothyroACETIC acids. Not the same as the diiodothyronines.

interesting, ill have to look into that. your not going to get scientific analysis out of me, i usually just look stuff up. either way they all work well for me.
 
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