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Steroid rant.

Maxwell600

Maxwell600

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Okay we all understand that the OTC steroids are ran solo all the time. So why when people run an underground oral like winstrol, which is very similar to epi, you are automatically not gonna keep your gains because you didn't have a test base. To that I say bull**** and if u have a spot on diet and good pct there's gonna be a great chance that you can keep the goods.
Discuss and correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Maxwell600 said:
Okay we all understand that the OTC steroids are ran solo all the time. So why when people run an underground oral like winstrol, which is very similar to epi, you are automatically not gonna keep your gains because you didn't have a test base. To that I say bull**** and if u have a spot on diet and good pct there's gonna be a great chance that you can keep the goods.
Discuss and correct me if I'm wrong.
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Winny isn't really for teh gainz..
I think the mentality is.. If you have access to aas, why do you not run test?
Apparently it makes all cycles better?

Easy come, easy go. Just go slow and hard, and you'll keep it together.
 
I personally think, yes some chemicals do more of one thing than the other, but it all comes down to your diet and your goals for the cycle
 
I think it's also how test makes you feel. Highly anabolic, yet non-androgenic compounds typically leave you feeling pretty crappy.
Yes, it comes down to diet and training no matter what. With or without roids.
 
You can make gains off of winnie.. It is an amazing recomp drug. I have seen people up a few lbs and down multiple BF% on winnie only cycles.. Meaning individuals gain mass and lose fat.
 
I kinda just think the Internet has spread mass bull**** about any topic including this one of course. In my defense I am on a Winnie only cycle currently for 6 weeks.
 
Maxwell600 said:
I kinda just think the Internet has spread mass bull**** about any topic including this one of course. In my defense I am on a Winnie only cycle currently for 6 weeks.
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What is your dosing and results so far..
For ****s and giggles next year, I am gonna run an 8 week winnie/dbol stack..
 
Started today heh
6 weeks of 50mg.
Supports, omegas, vits
Pct is nolva, sustain alpha, and some good test booster. Cort control, etc
 
Thats cool, I think you will like your cycle..
I say increase length two more weeks..

I got HCGenerate right now, and I am starting to believe it does what it says it does, test boosting wise.. Plus it blocks cortisol, might want to look into adding it for PCT..

Hmmm, might actually do a dbol/winni/var 8 week stack.. 50/50/50... I get all for so cheap.. Yummy yummy..
 
Well legal orals would be best paired with test as well. So any steroid should be with a test base. However most know that if someone is running a legal steroid they prob either don't have a source or have a problem with illegal drugs. In which case it would be dumb to say get test. When someone is getting an illegal oral they oviously have access to test which isn't very expensive so why run it. If all these legal orals get banned and people have to go to drug dealers to get then there will prob be more test base reccomendations.
 
JCunningham said:
I say run HCG with an oral and there is your test base right there if you can get test, but dont want to run test.
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The other thing that hasn't been pointed out, though, is that a portion of those who don't run test bases that DO have access to it, also don't want to do injects. Sounds dumb, but whatever percentage it may be, it is a percentage that's out there.
 
MidwestBeast said:
The other thing that hasn't been pointed out, though, is that a portion of those who don't run test bases that DO have access to it, also don't want to do injects. Sounds dumb, but whatever percentage it may be, it is a percentage that's out there.
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Then they shouldnt even be popping orals..
 
JCunningham said:
Then they shouldnt even be popping orals..
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Haha. There are a lot of "should nots" around here - e.g. all of these 19 year-olds doing H-Drol cycles because they're "mild." Just because it's a shouldn't, doesn't mean it doesn't and won't continue to happen. Can't ignore that.
 
back to the dude with winstrol cycle. can u make a log of this? im interested since i plan on doing winstrol only cut with ECA perhaps sometime im curious as to ur results except ill be dosing 60mg 8wks, i figure if i drop 1.5%bf every 2 weeks which i am sure i can, ill drop around 6% maybe 8% if i am XTREMELLY strict...
 
it should be self evident that with winstrol on a cut, the test base is... less than necessary. Some people will be like well i want a good libido but others will not want to worry about estrogen and water retention while they cut.

in general test base is a good idea for keeping gains from orals. But personally i think testosterone sucks too hard to ever be anything more than a base or a bridge between oral steroids or injectable steroids that really work like tren.
 
UnrealMachine said:
it should be self evident that with winstrol on a cut, the test base is... less than necessary. Some people will be like well i want a good libido but others will not want to worry about estrogen and water retention while they cut.

in general test base is a good idea for keeping gains from orals. But personally i think testosterone sucks too hard to ever be anything more than a base or a bridge between oral steroids or injectable steroids that really work like tren.
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x2..

Test to grow just doesnt work out for me..
Add in dbol or superdol and I make keepable gain
 
yeah i can see why someone would take test on a bulk for keepable gains, but if some is using AAS during cut to perserve muscle i doubt test is neccessary... since u like wont make any "great" gains since AAS role is purely to maintain muscle while cutting. thats my theory in why i would not take test on a 8wk cut
 
UnrealMachine said:
it should be self evident that with winstrol on a cut, the test base is... less than necessary. Some people will be like well i want a good libido but others will not want to worry about estrogen and water retention while they cut.

in general test base is a good idea for keeping gains from orals. But personally i think testosterone sucks too hard to ever be anything more than a base or a bridge between oral steroids or injectable steroids that really work like tren.
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i agree with this

unless you use actual test base

or prop...
 
yup, running EC as well, might add some aspirin for blood thinning properties, and make it true ECA.

I suppose I will log this. BTW my cals are going to be LOW, with most of course being protein. I come from a fatass family so im extremely carb sensitive, so not much is needed to prevent me from getting flat.
 
dude ANABOLIC PUMP i am like u carbs F me over and bloat me by the inches! AP realllllly helped out alot, but it did not increase my pumps :(
 
Jasen said:
back to the dude with winstrol cycle. can u make a log of this? im interested since i plan on doing winstrol only cut with ECA perhaps sometime im curious as to ur results except ill be dosing 60mg 8wks, i figure if i drop 1.5%bf every 2 weeks which i am sure i can, ill drop around 6% maybe 8% if i am XTREMELLY strict...
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Maxwell600 said:
yup, running EC as well, might add some aspirin for blood thinning properties, and make it true ECA.

I suppose I will log this. BTW my cals are going to be LOW, with most of course being protein. I come from a fatass family so im extremely carb sensitive, so not much is needed to prevent me from getting flat.
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PALEO DIET
 
JCunningham said:
No, but it is a no carb diet, something op would benefit from. Even if it isnt low cal.
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Its not a no carb diet either. It's a gluten free diet. Free of dairy and grains..

Carbs come from greens and fruit. Still tho, I agree it would be a good choice.

Im not far enough into keto to say which I like better, but I can tell you I do enjoy fruit so paleo may take it.
 
SouthernCharm said:
Its not a no carb diet either. It's a gluten free diet. Free of dairy and grains..

Carbs come from greens and fruit. Still tho, I agree it would be a good choice.

Im not far enough into keto to say which I like better, but I can tell you I do enjoy fruit so paleo may take it.
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Not enough carbs in the veggies.
And he wouldn't be eating too much fruit..
 
JCunningham said:
Not enough carbs in the veggies.
And he wouldn't be eating too much fruit..
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I get what you're saying... But i was pointing out the fact its not carb free. lol...
 
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