SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

yates84 said:
The only thing you ever need to worry about preloading is hawthorne berry because it can actually increase bp in the first week or two of use. I always preload hb for 2 weeks before a cycle. Fortunately, armicare pro has no hawthorne berry so no worries about preloading.
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Thank you sir!
 
I start PCT tomorrow after 10 weeks 20mg Osta (last 5 weeks also had Rad).

First run of any description, good leaning from the Osta. Rad seemed to increase my appetite so calories went up a bit which probably affected the overall recomp of Osta.

Droped 1.5 inches of waist, mainly stubborn kidney area. Would guess I am around 10%. All other measurements are the same. A bit more vascular but nothing crazy.

Strength increased. Broke a PB on Deadlift and wasn't specifically strength training. Bench increased too, didn't 1RP it but most definitely stronger on it. Squat not sure about but probably, don't really train squat for maxing due to poor flexibility.

Overall a good run. Osta would do again. Rad, maybe but not for recomp, appetite was too big and was lucky to keep it in check as well as I did.

So, seeing as it was my first cycle it will 've my first PCT...so just take 50mg Clomid in the morning with 5 caps of Super PCT, with 5 other caps of Super in the evening.

It says to take with food...I work out fasted in the morning so when should I take first 5 caps, pre-workout or with post workout shake? Clomid okay on empty stomach?

I also have Ep1c Unleashed but started that last week to get a week head start on it.

Thanks.
 
Shin Sprints said:
I start PCT tomorrow after 10 weeks 20mg Osta (last 5 weeks also had Rad).

First run of any description, good leaning from the Osta. Rad seemed to increase my appetite so calories went up a bit which probably affected the overall recomp of Osta.

Droped 1.5 inches of waist, mainly stubborn kidney area. Would guess I am around 10%. All other measurements are the same. A bit more vascular but nothing crazy.

Strength increased. Broke a PB on Deadlift and wasn't specifically strength training. Bench increased too, didn't 1RP it but most definitely stronger on it. Squat not sure about but probably, don't really train squat for maxing due to poor flexibility.

Overall a good run. Osta would do again. Rad, maybe but not for recomp, appetite was too big and was lucky to keep it in check as well as I did.

So, seeing as it was my first cycle it will 've my first PCT...so just take 50mg Clomid in the morning with 5 caps of Super PCT, with 5 other caps of Super in the evening.

It says to take with food...I work out fasted in the morning so when should I take first 5 caps, pre-workout or with post workout shake? Clomid okay on empty stomach?

I also have Ep1c Unleashed but started that last week to get a week head start on it.

Thanks.
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Just take super pct with your first meal, the timing doesn't have to be perfect on this. I would also move your clomid dosing to night time so you can help avoid any potential sides.
 
Forgot to add to final summary that I did not take a test base. I did not suffer any lethargy.

Sides seem minimal, suppression likely but I don't feel shut down. But then again no prior experience so my minimal sides is how I feel.
 
Shin Sprints said:
Forgot to add to final summary that I did not take a test base. I did not suffer any lethargy.

Sides seem minimal, suppression likely but I don't feel shut down. But then again no prior experience so my minimal sides is how I feel.
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Im not sure being shut down necessarily has a ‘feeling‘ to it, at least in my experience. I felt crap due to bad lipids, but aside from some lethargy I cant say I felt much different having a test reading of 20 or 1200.

My point, I would be reluctant to let subjective feelings be a reliable indicator of suppression.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Im not sure being shut down necessarily has a ‘feeling‘ to it, at least in my experience. I felt crap due to bad lipids, but aside from some lethargy I cant say I felt much different having a test reading of 20 or 1200.

My point, I would be reluctant to let subjective feelings be a reliable indicator of suppression.
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Agreed which is why I qualified the mention of "feeling", I know blood work is only reliable way of knowing levels for sure. Unfortunately I don't know where I can get paid blood work. I had blood work done about 5 months ago but that was through healthcare and I don't think I can get another one done so soon without questions asked as to why I am testing again when previous result a were all good.
 
There is a link floating around on am to a private med lab that does tests pretty cheap. I would try looking that up on this forum Shin Sprints I will post it in here if nobody else beats me to it. Basic test is around 50$
 
Shin Sprints said:
Agreed which is why I qualified the mention of "feeling", I know blood work is only reliable way of knowing levels for sure. Unfortunately I don't know where I can get paid blood work. I had blood work done about 5 months ago but that was through healthcare and I don't think I can get another one done so soon without questions asked as to why I am testing again when previous result a were all good.
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Here ya go
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/157529-cheap-bloodwork-how.html
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Realizing that I don't think we have any doctors here, and I'm not planning on running Rad (but am, LGD) - Is the LDL/HDL chaos transitory? Meaning that upon cessation, your levels would return to healthy levels (assuming you started healthy)? If so, just how dangerous would just 8 weeks at those levels be? (and I guess just 4 weeks for Rad).

As an aside, after seeing sanmarino's post, I went re-researching all the natural Cholesterol lowering compounds. Maybe you already knew this, but I didn't:

Red Yeast Rice is an actual no sh&t natural Statin that works WELL. Guess what? The FDA banned the sale of Red Yeast Rice with any effective amount of the compound that improves Cholesterol values. Just when you think the FDA and BigPharmaTM is just a myth....

I'd love to try and find a foreign source for RYR and try to get it through.
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yates84 said:
What would be an effective dose and extract for red yeast rice? Great info btw
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An update on the Red Yeast Rice - courtesy of T-Bone on another thread about HDL etc values - RYR was shown to cause liver damage & thus has over time been replaced with Policosanol in many on & post cycle formulas.

Given the mandated ineffectiveness of RYR in the US, rather than trying to source unmolested RYR it might be a better option to look into Policosanol.
 
Again courtesy of T-Bone re. RYR:

Here's a good thread about it from 2007,

Cycle Support: RYR
 
procore said:
examine.com/supplements/policosanol/
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Interesting...the plot thickens. Policosanol is certainly popping up a lot these days in various supplements.

OL Ar1macare Pro contains both Policosanol & RYR in higher dosed amounts, that makes it pretty cholesterol unfriendly. It also contains 150mg of CoQ10, which RYR apparently crushes.
Assault Labs Blockade on the other hand contains neither Poli nor RYR.
 
The question is if the RYR in these OCS (On Cycle Support) products, contains the effective component that lowers LDL? According to US law, they shouldn't - anyone at OL care to weigh in?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The question is if the RYR in these OCS (On Cycle Support) products, contains the effective component that lowers LDL? According to US law, they shouldn't - anyone at OL care to weigh in?
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Its going to be the U.S mandated version, we don't want any legal troubles so all products will comply with the laws of the countries they are sold in.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The question is if the RYR in these OCS (On Cycle Support) products, contains the effective component that lowers LDL? According to US law, they shouldn't - anyone at OL care to weigh in?
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yates84 said:
Its going to be the U.S mandated version, we don't want any legal troubles so all products will comply with the laws of the countries they are sold in.
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So what purpose does it serve in Ar1macare Pro then? I'm struggling to find any further benefits other than possibly improving circulation, aiding digestion & the statin-like effect of uncompromised RYR.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
So it doesn't do anything :) My opinion: Pull it out then.
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I would have to agree with you based on the information we have here. The owner of OL keeps up with this thread so I'm sure he will have that side of our r&d take a closer look at these studies.
 
yates84 said:
I would have to agree with you based on the information we have here. The owner of OL keeps up with this thread so I'm sure he will have that side of our r&d take a closer look at these studies.
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Or don't, depending... :)

What an interesting area - RYR is legal to sell, but it can't contain "more than negligible amounts" of natural Monacolin K, according to the FDA. But the FDA doesn't enforce Jack all on this issue. Some legal opinions on the matter (from lawyers in the supplement industry) are that if the RYR is produced in the traditional way, isn't targeting Monacolin K content, and doesn't mention M-K, Statins, or LDL lowering at all - it can be sold. BUT, then you have the problem that if your product *does* contain an effective amount of M-K, and you *don't* put a warning on there for people who *are* already on Statins.... LOL. What a wonderful pickle we have created in the US. I'll be getting mine from Canada :)
 
Planning on running LGD (my first time running SARMs) and need some help/advice.

I got Primeval Labs Super LGD, Iron Labs On Cycle support, and Iron Labs PCT Xtreme. Also got Iron Labs Super Andarine.

I wish i couldve came uopn this forum first, as i wouldve ordered OL products instead. (Cant return the ones i have now)
Planning on running the LGD first then, Andarine for a cut after.
And will be getting some exemastane just in case.
Anything else i should get or know before starting?
 
DNME24 said:
Planning on running LGD (my first time running SARMs) and need some help/advice.

I got Primeval Labs Super LGD, Iron Labs On Cycle support, and Iron Labs PCT Xtreme. Also got Iron Labs Super Andarine.

I wish i couldve came uopn this forum first, as i wouldve ordered OL products instead. (Cant return the ones i have now)
Planning on running the LGD first then, Andarine for a cut after.
And will be getting some exemastane just in case.
Anything else i should get or know before starting?
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You have a serm for pct? If you read through this whole thread then you should have a pretty good grasp on how to run these compounds. Kay your cycle and pct out and let's see exactly what we're looking at.
 
DNME24 said:
Planning on running LGD (my first time running SARMs) and need some help/advice.

I got Primeval Labs Super LGD, Iron Labs On Cycle support, and Iron Labs PCT Xtreme. Also got Iron Labs Super Andarine.

I wish i couldve came uopn this forum first, as i wouldve ordered OL products instead. (Cant return the ones i have now)
Planning on running the LGD first then, Andarine for a cut after.
And will be getting some exemastane just in case.
Anything else i should get or know before starting?
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Should have a serm for pct also
 
yates84 said:
Check out the board sponsors that sell research chemicals
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Thanks, im definitely going to get clomid. So do you think ill have a good run with what i have so far?
Trying to recomp, im 6'2" 260 18% BF, and have never taken anything other than Whey & Creatine.
 
DNME24 said:
Thanks, im definitely going to get clomid. So do you think ill have a good run with what i have so far?
Trying to recomp, im 6'2" 260 18% BF, and have never taken anything other than Whey & Creatine.
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Definitely osta. Osta Is great at preserving muscle mass while in a pretty large deficit. There are lots of good natty supps you could try, to get your bf% down before you start running suppressive compounds.
 
Started second week of OL osta
Knee pain going away
Lethargy hit me hard first week but fading
Dosing 15 daily
Muscles feel hard and pumped all day
Can't wait for week 2

Also using Soy lethin granules and cycle support, saw orginal study that shows even at low dose of 3 a day showed some toxicity in the liver. Better safe than sorry

Pct is super pct and clomid plus 2 different test boosters
 
yates84 said:
Definitely osta. Osta Is great at preserving muscle mass while in a pretty large deficit. There are lots of good natty supps you could try, to get your bf% down before you start running suppressive compounds.
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Yeah, ive definitely been the last few months, but hit a solid wall. Eating super clean and hitting macros to the T. Reverse dieting now to see if i can jumpstart it again. Then ill run the cycle. Maybe its my age (39) lol. Strength is still excellent tho.
 
DNME24 said:
Yeah, ive definitely been the last few months, but hit a solid wall. Eating super clean and hitting macros to the T. Reverse dieting now to see if i can jumpstart it again. Then ill run the cycle. Maybe its my age (39) lol. Strength is still excellent tho.
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Sounds good just hit me up if you need any help with setup
 
fro60ol said:
yates84 any word on when the website will be back up for Olympus uk?
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Not right now bro, hopefully when these new dhea's hit we will get it up and running.
 
For possible Gyno sides, would you prefer ralox or prami?
 
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