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SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

yates84 said:
Epic unleashed would be my choice if I had to pick one. I prefer laxogenin as a transdermal, much better result due to better absorption. Epic unleashed caps are just as strong as the td and I actually prefer epic in cap form.
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Awesome thanks :) so you'd recommend including ep1c caps over str3ngth as a natty anabolic for maximum PCT boost then??
 
Shaner091 said:
Awesome thanks :) so you'd recommend including ep1c caps over str3ngth as a natty anabolic for maximum PCT boost then??
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Yes, if I had to choose one it would be epic unleashed. Laxogenin is great for recovery and joint comfort but I get more of an anabolic response from epicatechin
 
yates84 said:
Yes, if I had to choose one it would be epic unleashed. Laxogenin is great for recovery and joint comfort but I get more of an anabolic response from epicatechin
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Sweet gonna grab myself a bottle or 2 of ep1c for PCT so ???
 
jmyers said:
Thinking of 6-8 weeks. Going to attempt to hit it between 12-20 mgs during that time. Going to run Androvar at 800 mgs as my base.
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Be weary of blood thinning at 16-20

Have seen no study or science behind that statement. But myself and another member who was running it at 20 were both having nosebleeds and my gums were bleeding bad when brushing. Stopped the RAD, the bleeding stopped. Pretty sure it's dose dependent though. Haven't heard anyone running it at 12 mention this. And it could be case to case. Myself and other person were both running it with test, so not certain what that could imply as well.
 
Dma378 said:
Be weary of blood thinning at 16-20

Have seen no study or science behind that statement. But myself and another member who was running it at 20 were both having nosebleeds and my gums were bleeding bad when brushing. Stopped the RAD, the bleeding stopped. Pretty sure it's dose dependent though. Haven't heard anyone running it at 12 mention this. And it could be case to case. Myself and other person were both running it with test, so not certain what that could imply as well.
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Good to know. As always, thanks for the info bro
 
yates84 said:
Epic unleashed would be my choice if I had to pick one. I prefer laxogenin as a transdermal, much better result due to better absorption. Epic unleashed caps are just as strong as the td and I actually prefer epic in cap form.
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Got my ep1c caps sorted. And krushed kandy conqu3r ;) finally hoping on that bandwagon!! Can't wait to try it!!! Think it'll give me serious boost into PCT
 
Shaner091 said:
Got my ep1c caps sorted. And krushed kandy conqu3r ;) finally hoping on that bandwagon!! Can't wait to try it!!! Think it'll give me serious boost into PCT
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It definitely has for me. Pct is almost over and I've maintained about 90% of my strength and all of my weight. Epic is just a perfect product for pct to keep things moving in the right direction.
 
Nice dude,, feel good bout gettin em so ???
 
What's the highest dosage you guys have run of LGD?

I'm finishing up my 10 week run & have bumped it up from 10mgED to 15mg for the last week only. It's given me noticeable size immediately. I found the same when I increased from 6 to 10mg, an almost immediate filling out. Can't say it's done a great deal for my strength, but i'm definitely enjoying the muscle fullness & near absence of clicky wrists.

I'll have to wait & see if I get any energy back post cycle, cannot confirm any additional lethargy over my normal levels. No stims for the last 5 weeks, at all, and have coped quite well.
 
jmyers said:
Thinking of 6-8 weeks. Going to attempt to hit it between 12-20 mgs during that time. Going to run Androvar at 800 mgs as my base.
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Geez that's a lot of epiandro. You done that before?
 
No sides. I've been doing this for such a long time. Don't track my daily water intake. I just drink water bro. Actually ran it between 900-1200 mgs. I couldn't gain weight. Great
 
Been on Ostarine/Cardarine for just over 2 weeks. Dosing is 20/14mg splitting dose about 12 hours apart. For those interested in osta/GW...it's obviously not magic. This is my first time running cardarine. Have done a few Osta cycles in the past.

My experience so far: time between sets is almost non existent now. More importantly, time between working sets has reduced drastically. The time it takes for me to "sit a spell" between heavy sets has gone waaayy down. And not on purpose either, just feelsgoodman. Osta and Gw make for a pretty badass cycle. Pumps are reaal nice n' deep like! Feeling full all day, sweating like a meth head in the gym. Cardiovascular endurance has increased as well.

Maybe I should have run RAD or LGD cuz I'm not really recomping or cutting lol. Eating at a slight surplus. Feeling pretty good so far tho staying fairly lean. Estro feels higher than normal. Nips are a little sensitive but no biggie.

Edit: thoughts on starting MK in PCT and running it for 14 weeks total (4 weeks in PCT + 10 solo) into a cycle of RAD or LGD?
 
Some people say that MK does not need a PCT as it is not like other SARMS.

I was wondering which would be most effective, running MK-677 alongside another SARM (such as LGD) for the 8 weeks during cycle vs running MK during the PCT for better recovery without muscle loss?

All input appreciated.

Thank you!
 
ArmDay said:
Some people say that MK does not need a PCT as it is not like other SARMS.

I was wondering which would be most effective, running MK-677 alongside another SARM (such as LGD) for the 8 weeks during cycle vs running MK during the PCT for better recovery without muscle loss?

All input appreciated.

Thank you!
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Both.

But I believe in general that increased GH + Igf is HIGHLY synergistic with ph/aas/SARMS etc.
 
jmyers said:
No sides. I've been doing this for such a long time. Don't track my daily water intake. I just drink water bro. Actually ran it between 900-1200 mgs. I couldn't gain weight. Great
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Wow! Epiandro for the win. One of my fave compounds, but you sure take it to the next level my friend.
 
ArmDay said:
Some people say that MK does not need a PCT as it is not like other SARMS.
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That is because it is a GH secretagogue, not a SARM.
Run it anyway, anytime as kboxer7 suggests. Stock up on it, start with your pct if you're wanting to gauge recovery effectiveness & then just keep that train rolling :thumbsup:
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Little benefit, more sides. Was my first run with it though, and there were other confounding factors, so my view is tentative.
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Ok, curious.

Anyone else run 12+mg of LGD consistently, or 15+mg for the short term?
 
kboxer7 said:
This 100%

I'll have to find the study, but basically our military's stockpile of meds/drugs was way past expiration dates collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere.

The military teamed up with a top medical facility to conduct research on exactly how long these drugs/meds retained their efficacy.

Long story short, after testing hundreds of meds, something like 95% retained 90%+ of their respective potency for 10-15 years past expiration dates.
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Report from Harvard on the FDA's results from analyzing 100 drugs that were past their expiration date:

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whats the point of SARMs if you have to do the same PCT as if using AAS?
 
datsthat said:
whats the point of SARMs if you have to do the same PCT as if using AAS?
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It's what's available for people who don't want to jump over to the dark side
 
datsthat said:
gotcha, that makes sense. Dark side isn't so dark:veryhappy:
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Lol I imagine it really isn't dark at all having normal test levels after having them at subpar levels for who knows how long!
 
cheeky1 said:
Ok, curious.

Anyone else run 12+mg of LGD consistently, or 15+mg for the short term?
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I'd also like to know. I was thinking of bumping up from 12 to 15 for my last week this week. Not sure what sides to look for... (Haven't had any on 12 other than shirts are tighter.)
 
High dosing MAY fubar your lipids, and this could go totally unperceived unless you test for it. I suspect LGD was largely responsible for fuking up mine. Plus, I noted no compensating benefit dosing so high anyway.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
High dosing MAY fubar your lipids, and this could go totally unperceived unless you test for it. I suspect LGD was largely responsible for fuking up mine. Plus, I noted no compensating benefit dosing so high anyway.
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Pretty much anything hormonal in terms of binding to the AR receptor tends to mess up lipids. Even mild stuff like Osta, 1-andro, etc. I've got data on LGD and Osta messing with lipids at low clinical doses, so I'm sure you are correct about LGD messing up your lipid profile.

That said, TYPICALLY this is transient while "on" said substances and returns to normal sometime after cessation.

Conversely, I have seen bloodwork on what I know to be legit sarms NOT mess up lipids (or at least not to any clinical or statistical significance). So it seems this is partially user dependent (and likely largely influenced by diet and support supps as well).
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Little benefit, more sides. Was my first run with it though, and there were other confounding factors, so my view is tentative.
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What sides
 
anab0lix said:
Is it ok to dose LGD every other day since it has such a long half life?
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Nope. Lgd half life is about 24 hours so once daily dosing is optimal.
 
anab0lix said:
I should definitely see decent results from 4mg as I have not ran anything in 4-5 years?
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I would start at 8mg since you have prior anabolic experience, go ahead and get things moving.
 
Have a pain my lower back toward the right all day,, doesn't feel muscular?? It's a dull pain been here all day. Anyone had this on any cycle before?? Or have any idea what it is??
 
Possibly but it doesn't feel like pumps I've had in the past,, it feels internal if that makes sense??
 
Ya I'll be gettin worried if it's still there 2moro :/
Hopefully nothing and I'm just being paranoid!!!
 
Shaner091 said:
Possibly but it doesn't feel like pumps I've had in the past,, it feels internal if that makes sense??
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EDIT: I was NOT on cycle of any kind.

Had the exact same thing for two months. Still get it now and again (month 3 ish after it started).

Had full bloodwork + cat scan (they wanted to rule out appendicitis) + chest xray.

All came back fine. No diagnosis made. They tried to tell me it was a muscle but I know better. The pain was "internal/deep" as you say and did not feel like it was of a muscular nature. Additionally, I was off of the gym for a week before it started.

Only other abnormal thing was my BP which spiked 20-30 points on diastolic and systolic and remained elevated for a couple months. Just now getting it back under control.

I'd go back in for more checkups, but $13k later and no more info than when I walked in doesn't exactly have me excited to go back.
 
Shaner091 said:
Have a pain my lower back toward the right all day,, doesn't feel muscular?? It's a dull pain been here all day. Anyone had this on any cycle before?? Or have any idea what it is??
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I'm sure you are, but make sure you are drinking enough water. My body yells at me when I slack, and it's typically in this manner. It's almost like my kidneys ache. I've only had it happen one time since I've been on cycle, but I upped my water intake over the next 24hrs & it helped a lot. I tend to slack more during the winter, as I prefer warmer beverages....and my body tells me when I do.

I really hope it's nothing major & passes quickly.
 
YatesWifey04 said:
I'm sure you are, but make sure you are drinking enough water. My body yells at me when I slack, and it's typically in this manner. It's almost like my kidneys ache. I've only had it happen one time since I've been on cycle, but I upped my water intake over the next 24hrs & it helped a lot. I tend to slack more during the winter, as I prefer warmer beverages....and my body tells me when I do.

I really hope it's nothing major & passes quickly.
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Appreciate the advice and going by the amount of water I've been drinking the past 2 days, combined with the insane night sweats :/ that's could be just the solution. Will get on it and report back ???
 
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