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SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

lamapuppy said:
Interesting, several posts in this thread suggested the opposite (running RAD with LGD as a kicker). I'll keep this in mind. Are you suggesting that because of being first cycle or just as a general suggestion?
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Id prefer to finish with rad myself.

Yeah first cycles with new compounds, prolly a good idea to keep stacks simple. Plus, I reckon youd be getting more from the products having a longer non stacked run.
 
lamapuppy said:
Interesting, several posts in this thread suggested the opposite (running RAD with LGD as a kicker). I'll keep this in mind. Are you suggesting that because of being first cycle or just as a general suggestion?
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NewAgeMayan said:
Id prefer to finish with rad myself.

Yeah first cycles with new compounds, prolly a good idea to keep stacks simple. Plus, I reckon youd be getting more from the products having a longer non stacked run.
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There's a great range of results and side effects to be seen from person to person with these compounds. It a good idea to trial them individually before diving into stacks, lest you discover some unwanted sides or you're wasting your money on a product that has little benefit to you. It's difficult to tell what's doing what when stacked, for the inexperienced user.
NewAgeMayan knows what he's talking about, if you're set on running multiple products then back to back rather than stacked is the way to go initially.

I'm wondering about Dermacrine myself, for lethargy. I'm in PCT atm, so probably not the best time to introduce it. But on cycle it's a great product & no need to go overboard with the pumps either, start at 3/day & increase by 1/2 every 4-6 days until you find the sweet spot :veryhappy:
Again, maybe wait 4 or so weeks before introducing dermacrine so you get an accurate gauge of how LGD works for you, unless the lethargy gets unbearable (I was fine on LGD, MK is a killer for me).
 
anyone ever notice getting tired after taking EC?

last few days ive noticed i got kind of sleepy after taking 300mg C and 25mg E twice a day
 
JohnJJ said:
anyone ever notice getting tired after taking EC?

last few days ive noticed i got kind of sleepy after taking 300mg C and 25mg E twice a day
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What else are you on?
 
Not my first SARM rodeo, however this time around I'm experiencing vision and dark puffy eyes. I'm taking androvar with Ostarine, but
ran several times together with no issues. The only difference this time is I added cardine, but took a few days off with no improvement. I wonder if I have a mineral deffeciency. 6 weeks in osta 20, andro 300, and Gw-50 21.
 
dcne02 said:
Not my first SARM rodeo, however this time around I'm experiencing vision and dark puffy eyes. I'm taking androvar with Ostarine, but
ran several times together with no issues. The only difference this time is I added cardine, but took a few days off with no improvement. I wonder if I have a mineral deffeciency. 6 weeks in osta 20, andro 300, and Gw-50 21.
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I've also noticed a bit of a cognitive decline lately.
 
dcne02 said:
Not my first SARM rodeo, however this time around I'm experiencing vision and dark puffy eyes. I'm taking androvar with Ostarine, but
ran several times together with no issues. The only difference this time is I added cardine, but took a few days off with no improvement. I wonder if I have a mineral deffeciency. 6 weeks in osta 20, andro 300, and Gw-50 21.
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Man I know everyone is different and sides vary greatly, but I can almost swear my vision is just a little "off" when I'm on osta and cardarine. It's hard to explain. Not "night vision gone" type ****, just maybe a little ****tier in every aspect.

Not sure if this makes any sense whatsoever.
 
JohnJJ said:
eat a banana and prunes along with random sugar from foods so idk

lgd 4mg twice a day
ol eliminate 2 pills twice a day
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How far into this cycle are you? Using a test base? If not then it's not the EC causing your lethargy, it's probably the lgd.
 
808shredded said:
I'm on 29mg osta and 7mg cardarine and one of my nips is getting sensitive. Does osta raise estro? Or it just in my mind.
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Gyno is a definite possibility with osta, might want to jump on an ai and get that handled if they get any worse.
 
JohnJJ said:
anyone ever notice getting tired after taking EC?

last few days ive noticed i got kind of sleepy after taking 300mg C and 25mg E twice a day
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Usually 4-5 hours after my EC dose (200mg C and 25mg E-HCL), I get a pretty hard energy crash... which is a sign that I need to re-up. I take one dose at wake-up and another dose at 5-6 hrs after.
 
808shredded said:
Would transform be sufficient, or arimidex? The symtoms just started. No puffy nip just sensitive on the side of the nip.
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Personally, I would jump on the adex or exem to get that handled as soon as possible. Transform is a great ai but takes longer to work than a prescription ai
 
yates84 said:
Personally, I would jump on the adex or exem to get that handled as soon as possible. Transform is a great ai but takes longer to work than a prescription ai
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Would I load adex at 100mg everyday till symtoms disappear or 25mg instead and run it for 4 weeks?
 
808shredded said:
Would I load adex at 100mg everyday till symtoms disappear or 25mg instead and run it for 4 weeks?
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Never ever run adex at 100mg or 25mg... Or even 5mg haha...
 
808shredded said:
Would I load adex at 100mg everyday till symtoms disappear or 25mg instead and run it for 4 weeks?
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Adex dose is typically .5mg eod. You could take .5mg ed until symptoms go away then switch to .5mg eod. We are talking about armidex, right?
 
100mg! There would literally be no moisture left in your body. Lol

Ostarine and Transfrom worked great for me, for leaning me out and getting me vascular. It also kicked the **** out of my libido and 'firmness' within a few days. This was and is the only cycle that has ever done that to me. No need to kill your E with Ostarine. Just be responsible with your anti-E dosing.

FYI: My dosing was Osta @ 20 mg ED and TransForm @ ~ 100 mg ED. No gyno issue for me though so the circumstances are a bit different.
 
I'm having similar issues with lgd at 5mg and mk 677 10mg, been on for just over a week and feeling a little irritation on my right nip. I have tamoxifen and clomid, which should I use and what dose? Also, do I take it only when symptoms occur or on a continual basis?
 
bdenny said:
I'm having similar issues with lgd at 5mg and mk 677 10mg, been on for just over a week and feeling a little irritation on my right nip. I have tamoxifen and clomid, which should I use and what dose? Also, do I take it only when symptoms occur or on a continual basis?
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Those are both SERMs, you'd be better off using an AI like exemestane or Arimidex (Anastrazole)
 
bdenny said:
I'm having similar issues with lgd at 5mg and mk 677 10mg, been on for just over a week and feeling a little irritation on my right nip. I have tamoxifen and clomid, which should I use and what dose? Also, do I take it only when symptoms occur or on a continual basis?
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I would dose the nolva at 10mg and go from there. This will work u til you can get an ai in hand.
 
regdabyenoh said:
Yates would it be the LGD causing this or MK 677 too?
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Definitely not the mk677, this will have no effect on estrogen or androgen receptors.
 
Are sensitive nipples alone enough to jump on an AI? I am in my eighth and final week of MassGH. I introduced Tr3st in week 6 and plan on running it for an additional three weeks along with MK 677 before starting PCT. soon after I started Tr3st I noticed my nipples became very sensitive. No pain or lumps... Just super sensitive at times and almost always hard when working out. I almost pulled the trigger on starting anastozole last night but held off. Thoughts?
 
HardB0iled said:
Are sensitive nipples alone enough to jump on an AI? I am in my eighth and final week of MassGH. I introduced Tr3st in week 6 and plan on running it for an additional three weeks along with MK 677 before starting PCT. soon after I started Tr3st I noticed my nipples became very sensitive. No pain or lumps... Just super sensitive at times and almost always hard when working out. I almost pulled the trigger on starting anastozole last night but held off. Thoughts?
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Trest makes my nips hurt unless I run nolva with it. If you aren't having any lumps or they aren't getting any worse then you might be able to hold off. If you start to get shooting pains through your nips or they feel real cold like someone has an ice cube on them then I would start an ai immediately. A little sensitivity is not a big deal imo. Pain is a different story.
 
Toren said:
100mg! There would literally be no moisture left in your body. Lol

Ostarine and Transfrom worked great for me, for leaning me out and getting me vascular. It also kicked the **** out of my libido and 'firmness' within a few days. This was and is the only cycle that has ever done that to me. No need to kill your E with Ostarine. Just be responsible with your anti-E dosing.

FYI: My dosing was Osta @ 20 mg ED and TransForm @ ~ 100 mg ED. No gyno issue for me though so the circumstances are a bit different.
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Yeah sorry for the typo. How long on this cycle.
 
808shredded said:
How long do I stay on adex? until symtoms are gone?
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Once you start I would continue it through your pct, especially with armidex since it is a reversable ai.
 
808shredded said:
How long do I stay on adex? until symtoms are gone?
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What Yates said! Also, make sure to taper your use of the compound to avoid a rebound effect. Personally, I would do a taper like so - 0.5 ED (to start for a few days), move to 0.5 EOD, 0.5 E3D, then 0.25 E3D to finish off your use of the compound.
 
Toren said:
What Yates said! Also, make sure to taper your use of the compound to avoid a rebound effect. Personally, I would do a taper like so - 0.5 ED (to start for a few days), move to 0.5 EOD, 0.5 E3D, then 0.25 E3D to finish off your use of the compound.
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That's why I prefer exemestane, no need to taper it because it is a suicide inhibitor.
 
Toren said:
What Yates said! Also, make sure to taper your use of the compound to avoid a rebound effect. Personally, I would do a taper like so - 0.5 ED (to start for a few days), move to 0.5 EOD, 0.5 E3D, then 0.25 E3D to finish off your use of the compound.
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Got it. Thanks guys!
 
yates84 said:
That's why I prefer exemestane, no need to taper it because it is a suicide inhibitor.
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Indeed. Even if my Exemestane collects dust in the cupboard, it will always be there. Although, I still like to taper my Exemestane because I'm cool like that. :>
 
pharrison1 said:
Did you ever write up Ostarine ? How much results and what to take during and after
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Ostarine is in the op bro, go back to page one and by the time you get through this thread you will be an osta pro ;)
 
pharrison1 said:
Did you ever write up Ostarine ? How much results and what to take during and after
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Have you read anything written in this thread? I think if you did, you'd have your answer fairly quickly.
 
yates84 said:
Ostarine is in the op bro, go back to page one and by the time you get through this thread you will be an osta pro ;)
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Actually, I just went to the first page to link him to the Ostarine info and it is missing from my view...

Edit. Nevermind me. It''s there a few posts down. Just haven't visited that page in a while... :)
 
Toren said:
Actually, I just went to the first page to link him to the Ostarine info and it is missing from my view...

Edit. Nevermind me. It;'s there a few posts down. Just haven't visited that page in a while... :)
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I couldn't fit everything into the op and it ended up a few comments down, you are correct. There was a lot more info I had written up that I never got to post because of so many comments! Oh well, will save for a future guide.
 
yates84 said:
I couldn't fit everything into the op and it ended up a few comments down, you are correct. There was a lot more info I had written up that I never got to post because of so many comments! Oh well, will save for a future guide.
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Been there before on other forums. I used to reserve multiple posts and never end up using them. Lol.

I blame Hydro3 for me missing it a few minutes ago. I'm all pumped up and ready to hit a heavy back workout.
 
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