May the Lord bless both of you with this marvel.Yea, I was going to start rad + 4ad but stopped due to we're trying to get pregnant an the wife has started taking meds to increase fertility so me too![]()
May I ask, HCG for you?
May the Lord bless both of you with this marvel.Yea, I was going to start rad + 4ad but stopped due to we're trying to get pregnant an the wife has started taking meds to increase fertility so me too![]()
Nvm, no HCG for this, just clomidMay the Lord bless both of you with this marvel.
May I ask, HCG for you?
Thanks for replyingNvm, no HCG for this, just clomid
How long will you run it for? Also I almost have my stack complete! Need one more Legend, one trest, and some support supps.Wow. Major thread derailment. Back to the main subject, sarms! What's everyone running right now? I'm about 4 weeks into an osta/dermacrine stack right now and it has been great to say the least
I have another 4 weeks them I'm bridging g into a trest/epistane cycleHow long will you run it for? Also I almost have my stack complete! Need one more Legend, one trest, and some support supps.
That sounds like it will be a killer stack, no estro sides or bloating because of epi.I have another 4 weeks them I'm bridging g into a trest/epistane cycle
It will definitely help mitigate some of the trest sides. I plan on running the trest at 150mg ed so exemestane will be a mustThat sounds like it will be a killer stack, no estro sides or bloating because of epi.
My LGD cardarine cycle ends tomorrow ;(Wow. Major thread derailment. Back to the main subject, sarms! What's everyone running right now? I'm about 4 weeks into an osta/dermacrine stack right now and it has been great to say the least
With clomid, super pct, and epic unleashed I usually enjoy my pct just as much as I did the cycleMy LGD cardarine cycle ends tomorrow ;(
1, 3 will keep you motivated in the gym!I'll be running nolva, t force , arimistane , creatine , and using 1,3
I am a week into pct using these as well and I have to agree still feeling greatWith clomid, super pct, and epic unleashed I usually enjoy my pct just as much as I did the cycle
can you pm'd me where i can get 1, 3 ?? =DI'll be running nolva, t force , arimistane , creatine , and using 1,3
Oh **** nice, will you be logging it?It will definitely help mitigate some of the trest sides. I plan on running the trest at 150mg ed so exemestane will be a must
I've already got a log going with my wife in the training forum, just going to continue it there.Oh **** nice, will you be logging it?
Ok I'll look for it and follow it!I've already got a log going with my wife in the training forum, just going to continue it there.
I have 15 days left of my cycle, running 200mg Furaza, 100mg Halodrol, 20mg Epistane, 20mg Trendione, 12mg RAD-140. I know, the Trendione is low, but it's capped with the Epistane, so it's not intentional. Looking the best I've ever looked, really not excited about cycling off in 2 weeks. But I know we've all been there...Wow. Major thread derailment. Back to the main subject, sarms! What's everyone running right now? I'm about 4 weeks into an osta/dermacrine stack right now and it has been great to say the least
Off time isn't bad, you just need to make the best of it! There are so many good natty supps out there now that actually work there is no reason to fear off time. Epic unleashed keeps me happy during off time just by its selfI have 15 days left of my cycle, running 200mg Furaza, 100mg Halodrol, 20mg Epistane, 20mg Trendione, 12mg RAD-140. I know, the Trendione is low, but it's capped with the Epistane, so it's not intentional. Looking the best I've ever looked, really not excited about cycling off in 2 weeks. But I know we've all been there...
True Ep1c unleashed is the best natty product I have ever tried....pump,strenght,more reps from now on is a stample in my supplements stack.I'm taking the oral version not the TD.TD will probably works betterOff time isn't bad, you just need to make the best of it! There are so many good natty supps out there now that actually work there is no reason to fear off time. Epic unleashed keeps me happy during off time just by its self
That's true, I re-read the Ghar1ne thread last night and the announcement of PHOSPHAS1ZE still has me pumped, I need that for PCT/Off Cycle. Get some Ep1c Unleashed, DermaStr3ngth, and Phosphas1ze and I'd have the natty supps covered. Then throw in some Ghar1ne and Cardar1ne, probably some Elim1nate, I think it would be a pretty solid PCT.Off time isn't bad, you just need to make the best of it! There are so many good natty supps out there now that actually work there is no reason to fear off time. Epic unleashed keeps me happy during off time just by its self
Oral/td combo is the best route imo. I use the td after my shower at night for steady absorption and use the caps pwo in the morning for the faster effects in the gym. I love it!True Ep1c unleashed is the best natty product I have ever tried....pump,strenght,more reps from now on is a stample in my supplements stack.I'm taking the oral version not the TD.TD will probably works better![]()
Ghar1ne is perfect on time off keeps muscle and stenght and reverse the igf decreasing from nolva.Cardar1ne is anti-catabolic and will prevent fat gain while on pct.Definetly 2 must have on pctThat's true, I re-read the Ghar1ne thread last night and the announcement of PHOSPHAS1ZE still has me pumped, I need that for PCT/Off Cycle. Get some Ep1c Unleashed, DermaStr3ngth, and Phosphas1ze and I'd have the natty supps covered. Then throw in some Ghar1ne and Cardar1ne, probably some Elim1nate, I think it would be a pretty solid PCT.
About to finish my cycle, 10 week Ostarine (2w 10mg, 8w 20mg).What's everyone running right now?
Real quick. How would one does ep1c. I workout in the afternoons 5-7 in that range. But I dont always know if I am working out that day ( I go by feel if I need a day off I take it ) but the bottle says to take one pill in the morning on days I don't work out. I won't know that toll 3/4 in the afternoonOral/td combo is the best route imo. I use the td after my shower at night for steady absorption and use the caps pwo in the morning for the faster effects in the gym. I love it!
I would dose it about the same time every day so by the time you need to dose you will know what you are doing that dayReal quick. How would one does ep1c. I workout in the afternoons 5-7 in that range. But I dont always know if I am working out that day ( I go by feel if I need a day off I take it ) but the bottle says to take one pill in the morning on days I don't work out. I won't know that toll 3/4 in the afternoon
Im sory but stan is right...Just going off what dr mike scaly talks about for his power pct plan. You can shoot him an email if you wish to debate him.
When HCG is taken for too long or too high of a dosage, it can desensitize the lh receptor, according to the hormonal restoration doctor.
If you feel like you don't agree, I can get you in touch with William Llewelyn an dr mike scally and you can fully debate their research and data on the subject.
I look forward to the screen shot of the conversation as too learn and be enlightened
You wanna expand upon this because as it is written it does not make any sense.
Leydig cell desensitization is most often associated with over stimulation of the leydig cells (ie taking too much hcg). Suppression of LH does not result in Leydig cell (or testicle as you put it) desensitization. That being said this means that degree off suppression has no correlation with leydig cell desensitization. This is why even after a long shut down (without hcg use) the leydig cells will respond to say hcg therapy, because LH deprivation does not result in their desensitization.
when is PHOSPHAS1ZE gonna be available?That's true, I re-read the Ghar1ne thread last night and the announcement of PHOSPHAS1ZE still has me pumped, I need that for PCT/Off Cycle. Get some Ep1c Unleashed, DermaStr3ngth, and Phosphas1ze and I'd have the natty supps covered. Then throw in some Ghar1ne and Cardar1ne, probably some Elim1nate, I think it would be a pretty solid PCT.
Very soon! No solid release date yet but I will keep everyone informedwhen is PHOSPHAS1ZE gonna be available?
Solid question, and one I sadly don't have the answer to. I'd like it to be within the next 2-3 weeks for my own selfish reasons, lol. But more details will be rolling out soon, I'm sure.when is PHOSPHAS1ZE gonna be available?
Will have all the deetz soon, will post them in this thread when I have themDeetz on phosphas1ze?
NiceWill have all the deetz soon, will post them in this thread when I have them
Okay, can you link me to data to help understand what is going on thenIm sory but stan is right...
your desensitization statement was wrong man....post all the fancy google stuff you can find- that doesnt make you right..
and PS, although scally has his book smarts, his actual knowledge on AI's, Gyno and SERMs are flawed in alot of areas... I have actually debated with him and he turned out to be an immature douchbag that then just posted childish remarks and you tube videos calling me an idiot...
He does have alot of good info, but also flawed info, I take what he says with a grain of salt. he is too high up on his high horse to see any other direction but his first conclusions, and if you post research, exp and feed back from others that goes against his first thoughts he turns into a big baby. its why i dont even bother at meso much anymore... he is far from an AAS guru believable me...
and again shut down is shut down, some compounds are faster to shut down and/or harder on shut down, but the testies are taking a hit with big or small... you are wrong...
They are not testicular LH receptors. They are called leydig cells #1.Over stimulation of lh results in loss of testicular lh receptors, got that, but what causes this on steroids?
huh?Okay, can you link me to data to help understand what is going on then
Over stimulation of lh results in loss of testicular lh receptors, got that, but what causes this on steroids?
A pct for sarms and sarms causing shut down has been mentioned 273 times in this thread fyihuh?
shut down from aas and possible desensitization from over HCG use is NOT the same thing or area of shut down.
it doesnt cause a loss in receptors.
when on HCG your causing shut down in some ways, but stimulating the testies in other ways, that is why its a NO NO to use HCG DURING PCT, but it can help PCT if used during cycle or JUST BEFORE PCT.
AAS shut down your own production of hormones via-feedback loop in testies and causes them to overall shut down because the body pretty much senses there too much test (steroids imo) in the blood and shuts down its own production of test to try to reach homeostasis.
I think you are confused on the differing types of shutdown, what will or will not be possibly be desensitized with HCG use, and the type of shutdown with aas...
HCG and aas in relation to the testicle issues are not the same.
and sarms do cause shutdown so I would still rec a PCT after a run IMO (just adding that in after looking through thread)
You, in your ignorance, tried to use it to justify your ignorant and inaccurate statement bro. Then you drug Dr Scally into it based on his statement that HCG can cause desensitization in leydig cells, which it can BUT that has absolutely NOTHING to do with supporting your ridiculous contention.Stan, I thought you would realize this, but the only reason HCG is in this convo, is because you brought it into it. I wasn't talking, or even thinking about it.
I feel like the two subjects are getting mixed up as I try to respond to stans comments on HCG,huh?
shut down from aas and possible desensitization from over HCG use is NOT the same thing or area of shut down.
it doesnt cause a loss in receptors.
when on HCG your causing shut down in some ways, but stimulating the testies in other ways, that is why its a NO NO to use HCG DURING PCT, but it can help PCT if used during cycle or JUST BEFORE PCT.
AAS shut down your own production of hormones via-feedback loop in testies and causes them to overall shut down because the body pretty much senses there too much test (steroids imo) in the blood and shuts down its own production of test to try to reach homeostasis.
I think you are confused on the differing types of shutdown, what will or will not be possibly be desensitized with HCG use, and the type of shutdown with aas...
HCG and aas in relation to the testicle issues are not the same.
and sarms do cause shutdown so I would still rec a PCT after a run IMO (just adding that in after looking through thread)
So the **** what? What does this have to do at all with suppression? There is a reduction in LH with suppression, not an increase. Get a clue bro. Seriously. Maybe just admit your retarded staatement of:Abstract
LHRH-induced elevation of endogenous LH in adult male rats was followed by dose-dependent loss of testicular LH receptors and cAMP responses to hCG stimulation in vitro.
Your initial post, you began referring to HCG so it was brought into discussionYou, in your ignorance, tried to use it to justify your ignorant and inaccurate statement bro. Then you drug Dr Scally into it based on his statement that HCG can cause desensitization in leydig cells, which it can BUT that has absolutely NOTHING to do with supporting your ridiculous contention.
On the contrary my previous incorporation of HCG in my statement supported an accurate contention. Thats the difference.
For god sake you google ninja just stop. The difference here is I truly know this stuff. You goggle **** and incorrectly try to apply it to support your inaccurate and incorrect intentions. Your a menace of misinformation.
You wanna expand upon this because as it is written it does not make any sense.
Leydig cell desensitization is most often associated with over stimulation of the leydig cells (ie taking too much hcg). Suppression of LH does not result in Leydig cell (or testicle as you put it) desensitization. That being said this means that degree off suppression has no correlation with leydig cell desensitization. This is why even after a long shut down (without hcg use) the leydig cells will respond to say hcg therapy, because LH deprivation does not result in their desensitization.
First there is no such thing as a lh receptor, now it has nothing to do with anything?So the **** what? What does this have to do at all with suppression? There is a reduction in LH with suppression, not an increase. Get a clue bro. Seriously. Maybe just admit your retarded staatement of:
"by jbryand101b View Post
Suppression of lh output to a degree the testicles become desensitized to the effects is different than suppressed but not enough to do so."
Is just wrong. Dead wrong.