DreamWeaver
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Yah I was wondering why you just didn't run winny when you were asking about EPI-V... I mean you already using at that level might as well keep it there.
Road to a lean redemption
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ScottyDoc
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Legs growing bigger and you are complaining that is where I say... WTF???
chedapalooza
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ScottyDoc said:
I'm the sane way.. I hate when my legs/ass grow they do so too fast and disproportionate to the rest of my body! that's why I don't barbell squat or really ever go up in weights..maybe once a month hit them heavy, otherwise all maintenance. I assure u they ain't small
chedapalooza
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What kinda winny u on? Messed with it back on 2008... Rough go for sure...
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
Probably post workout.. It will Blunt cortisol and mainly fill up your muscles with glycogen rather than potentiallnbeing stored as fat lAter in the day.
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
Ah. I used BD years ago for two weeks before having to stop.. I blew up, weird right? And joints were on fire. Didn't have pct in place (newbie fool mistake) and was a mess for a good 6-8 weeks following abrupt stop) be careful, I'm sure u are though.. Live and learn right? I'll Never use the stuff or anything illegal again.
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
Been off AP since January actually, tried out slin sane and using up some need2slin i had. Whenever I used AP I would :
A) take 30 minutes prior to JUST cardio
B) on lift days- do my 30 mins of pre workout cardio, lift, then once i had 15-20 minutes remaining in my lift, I would take an AP then hit post workout cArdio
I do the same with slin sane and N2slin. Although lately I've been skipping post cardio and have been able to gain better size and mass, no increase in bf either. So I still take the dose intra workout, just to prep for post workout aminos and shake.
I would go hypo whenever I tried to lift after dosing fasted AP.. No fun
chedapalooza
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That is an amazing pct. I'm jelly
CJ_Xfit89
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chedapalooza said:
I had to think it out properly but mattrag and manbeast gave me good info about managing Cortisol so LX is a must.
I'm also gonna run revamp as well. Receptor cleansing.
Thanks bro!!!
So could i take 1 AP pre weights (30mins) then 10mins pre cardio take a 2nd?
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
I wouldn't do that ... One or the other. If u cN handle lifting Ike that then try it.. If not, I'd stick w pre cardio
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
Cheater
I'm not familiar w dosing/proper use of those.. I know bpi to roxylean REALLY opens up my lungs though
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
Can't take cordyceps... Like higenamine in new at2, bloats the hell outta me.
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
I think I scooped the last of it from natty last month
saving for July!
chedapalooza
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Dude! What r u gonna cut???
chedapalooza
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I'm so tempted to just start doing strong lifts and gain 20 pounds in a month.. Then cut lol. I bust a$$ to maintain a skinny fat body n small muscles! It suckkkkkkssss. I need sleep. Sorry for blowing up ur Shti. Lol
ScottyDoc
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I agree Bro, there is nothing there to cut, you need to build some more mass vs. cut fat, there is no fat! Just my opinion but work more heavily on your shoulders, upper chest, lats and lower abs, I know you don't want to be bulky, that you like to run, that is all fine and dandy, so just do rep after rep after rep after rep, the muscle will still grow, just in a leaner, more dense elongated fashion perfect for a runner, swimmer or any other endurance athlete such as yourself!!!
chedapalooza
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ScottyDoc said:
What do u think about that strong lifts program or 5,3,1 plus bodybuilding accessory ? I feel like im in such routine limbo with all thr fads n trying to get too fancy with 20 different movements..
chedapalooza
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I was ginna pm you this, runner , but I think it's more beneficial in the open..
For the longest time I've been struggling with body image issues.. I'll keep it short, I went from fat n out if shape to desthly skinny and sick in a year, nearly died, then slowly put weight back on. I've Never been happy w my body n probably never will be. That being said.. I've fallen victim to the constant trial of new or fad routines, training methods, etc.. I've realized as of literally last night, that it isn't that these routines don't work, or you need to have amazing genetics, but in order for these special body building routines to work... To look like those magazine guys do (btw all air Brushing and CANNOT be maintained year round) you NEED a slab of muscle to construct from. Exame- a ball of clay... Starts big, blocky, just sitting there... You slowly sculpt and form it to your liking, cutting out what u don't need, focusing on the areas u want to emphasize. It's the same with muscle and bodybuilding. You have to an excess of muscle to cut it and sculpt it. Otherwise you will be burning fat AND muscle and never develop the symmetry and cuts and bulges etc... I hope this makes sense.. And I'm not bashing bc you do look good and have been working your ass off.. Im talking from my POV.. odk if we share the same goals.. I wnna be big and lean.. But u gottta get the big then get the lean IMHO after YEARS of tring to do it all at once!
For the longest time I've been struggling with body image issues.. I'll keep it short, I went from fat n out if shape to desthly skinny and sick in a year, nearly died, then slowly put weight back on. I've Never been happy w my body n probably never will be. That being said.. I've fallen victim to the constant trial of new or fad routines, training methods, etc.. I've realized as of literally last night, that it isn't that these routines don't work, or you need to have amazing genetics, but in order for these special body building routines to work... To look like those magazine guys do (btw all air Brushing and CANNOT be maintained year round) you NEED a slab of muscle to construct from. Exame- a ball of clay... Starts big, blocky, just sitting there... You slowly sculpt and form it to your liking, cutting out what u don't need, focusing on the areas u want to emphasize. It's the same with muscle and bodybuilding. You have to an excess of muscle to cut it and sculpt it. Otherwise you will be burning fat AND muscle and never develop the symmetry and cuts and bulges etc... I hope this makes sense.. And I'm not bashing bc you do look good and have been working your ass off.. Im talking from my POV.. odk if we share the same goals.. I wnna be big and lean.. But u gottta get the big then get the lean IMHO after YEARS of tring to do it all at once!
ScottyDoc
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OK guys, one HUGE thing you gotta remember is you are both soo young! I do not mean that in a bad or condescending way, I mean it because in the grand scheme of things, you actually are very young, it takes years of eating the right way and lifting and trial and error to find out what your body reacts the best to, we are all different, similar, but different. So take your time, whether you want it to or not, it is not going to happen over night, so stay consistent and dedicated and learn from mistakes and ask lots of questions, document everything and you will be amazed at how ahead of the game you guys will be, ask DW, they didn't have internet and forums when we were your guy's age, I mean when I was 20-25yrs old we had AOL chat rooms, probably the closest thing to what you have now today. I know it is easier said than done, but just be patient, work hard, eat right and treat your body like the piece of art it is, take your time and mold it into that perfect picture of what it should look like in your head and if that pictures changes 100 times in the next 10... 20... or even 30yrs, so be it, mine has, I promise DW's has and many of the other guys on this forum can attest to what I am saying!
In short you guys are here, you guys are working hard and already miles ahead of most, just keep on keeping on, we got yo Back!!! (My Chiropractic Pun, could not help myself!!!)
In short you guys are here, you guys are working hard and already miles ahead of most, just keep on keeping on, we got yo Back!!! (My Chiropractic Pun, could not help myself!!!)
chedapalooza
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Amen, doc. Id probably be where I want to be if I wasn't so stubborn and afraid of being big n bulky.. I was always the biggest kid in school so when I started lifting it was to reduce my size and get lean.. Now bc I made myself lose so much weight thru anorexia 6 years ago, I have been unable to put dense muscle on and irreparably damaged my whole endocrine system..
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
I'm the same man.. My legs are tree trunks and could be LOGS but I have to train them down.. That's why I'm worried about using a strong lifts 5x5 or 5/3/1 bc they say squats are essential.. When I squatted forfootballl I gained 20 pounds and wet from 30 to 34 inch waist pants (bc of my legs and ass) in one month.
chedapalooza
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runner_79 said:
NAY. legs are so important.. I keep my reps high and so mostly isolations like curls and extensions.. I'll rotate reverse barbell lunges, db sumo squats on two benches, andleg press for my compound movements, but I keep rest short and reps high and utilize supersets when possible.. Also Abductor work and some glute machines. One day a week.. And I do deads two days before or after for additional leg stimulation on back day. I'll pm u or post an example later.. At work now lol
chedapalooza
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An as for abs- for years I slaves away doing hundreds of crunches and leg raises etc 3-4 days a week. Recently abkut 6 months ago i switches to heavier ab movements for12-20 reps.. Abs have never been fuller .. You gotta get them to pop through otherwise it'll be just a thin layer .. Your biceps won't pop through your arms if u do hundreds of curls 4 times a week.. Your abs are no different!
DreamWeaver
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Don't need ankle wieghts, just place yourself on a decline bench legs at the lower end and hanging over the edge, grab a db with your feet and keeping your legs perfectly straight do your leg raises .. toes pointed...