Then go tell the FDA. You want long term studies and reassurances that aren't even in the pharm industry. Good luck with your wishes. Your argument is another issue that belongs somewhere else and certainly USP isn't going to satisfy your wishes. I really don't think anyone will either.
when did i ask for these things?? please tell me.
i asked for DATA only - whatever was available to back up their claims, and perhaps shed light on the MOA. nowhere (that i recall writing or even thinking) did i ask for ANY
assurances that this product is safe, or even that it works for that matter. i dont ask that the burden be placed on the developer, just that if no accountability is acknowledged, that i may ask reasonable questions to try and protect myself.
and for the record - the pharm industry DOES provide something of a reassurance, inasmuch as if their product permanently damages you (see Vioxx, Phen-Fen, thalitamide (sp?), etc), you can sue them and usually win. is this practice honorable and reasonable? i dunno, that's a longer discussion.
Sorry, the information was not out there for 1-AD and 1-Test. It was extremely limited and extremely vague and the claims (anabolic/androgenic ratios) were based on rat assays.
would you agree that we know alot more about 1-Test now than we did then? of course...and it has nothing to do with lab results or levator ani size...it's just understanding of androgen action, inferences drawn from other similar steroids with decades of user feedback, and use of the substance itself shared on forums like this. what more can a person expect to know? and that's all i am trying to acquire with Pfull - understanding. i dont know why it's somehow twisted into this hidden agenda witchhunt where everyone talks about everything else but that which matters - the drug, how it works, and how to best use it.
usplabs said:
In this case, we have provided 2 Vivo HUMAN studies. The 223% was quoted direct from the study. In the supplement industry, this type of research is few and far between.
holy christ in heaven.
again, that number comes from an l-dopa study. i am not at all comfortable with the claim so long as neither a) the actual, TRUE concentration of l-dopa in PowerFull is released and validated, nor b) a human GH response study (it need not be all that comprehensive) is done on powerFull.
do i think powerfull increases GH? yes. how much? i've not even the faintest clue. does it also release prolactin? probably. is it suppressive to natural T? very likely yes.
i am simply conjecturing here, a luxury enjoyed by the manufacturers that i see no reason why i cant partake in.
** open question to the board - the only study posted thus far showing a human response to MP, the active in PowerFull, was done on parkinson's patients, who routinely demonstrate a different response to prolactin and growth hormone promoting drugs. is there some kind of pattern, such that we could possibly say "parkinson's patients exhibit decreased growth hormone response to stimuli (say, baclofen, arginine, GHRP-6, etc) compared to normal subjects." which would certainly help us infer some results from the parkinson's study. i would research this but i just dont have time...
