Potassium Nitrate
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mtinsideout
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Try to find a pre workout supp that has this ingredient and follow the amount they have in the formula but the bottle should have directions or suggested usage. Also don't take this in combination with other nitrates or products that have nitrates already in them.
burpees
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I'm going to be mixing it with Protocol ver. 2 with SNS Citrulline Malate for my preworkout brew
mtinsideout
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I see agmatine sulfate in Protocol, not sure it is safe to mix the potassium nitrate with that or at least the doses that it is safe. Unfortunately I'm not product rep and don't know enough about the ingredient profiles of other PWO's to give you a good answer. I can't post links yet but you may want to read the article below, not to sure how good potassium nitrate is as a supplement.
www(dot)livestrong(dot)com/article/510604-is-potassium-nitrate-in-food-processing-safe/
VaughnTrue
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the nutriguard is not actually 250mg of potassium nitrate per pill. its the total weight per pill.
good product, but not what they advertise.
good product, but not what they advertise.
Spaniard
Well-known member
Agmatine is fine with nitrates.
burpees
Banned
it's actually 98mg Nitrate or something right? In the same thread I saw a iFroce product that has nitrates, should of just jumped on that smh. Im going to use up my Protocol/PN and jump on that product yall got.
mtinsideout
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I just don't know if the product is worth it. Potassium nitrate is shown to be a cancer causing agent in animal studies and is found in cured ham and hot dogs (ie processed foods). Not sure if I'd really mess with any of the nitrates... If I were going to try one it might be creatine nitrate only because I have read good things but again who knows how healthy it is.
Smitty77
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Common first dosing for the NG KNO3 is 3 capsules with 500mg of vitamin C. I wouldn't advise taking more than 3 your first time, nor would I advise taking more than 6 at any one time.
Don't be misled. There's a reason why nitrates are the most commonly prescribed medication for heart-related ailments. The reason why there's concern over recreational use is conversion to nitrosamine, and high circulating levels can be a cause for concern. Dosing vitamin C with the KNO3 is a method to reduce that conversion/circulating level.
Don't be misled. There's a reason why nitrates are the most commonly prescribed medication for heart-related ailments. The reason why there's concern over recreational use is conversion to nitrosamine, and high circulating levels can be a cause for concern. Dosing vitamin C with the KNO3 is a method to reduce that conversion/circulating level.
mtinsideout
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There prescribed in heart meds to lower blood pressure not because they are by any means healthy. Also "Lower doses of potassium nitrate can lead to acute methemoglobinemia, in which hemoglobin loses ability to carry oxygen." Further more "Nitrites may react with food proteins in your stomach to form N-nitroso compounds. Cooking meat with nitrates on high heat also can produce such compounds. N-nitroso compounds are carcinogenic in test animals."
Smitty77
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I would disagree and say that if they're helping someone with hypertension and improving their quality of life, that they are serving a healthful purpose.
Livestrong doesn't seem to provide you with all the necessary information here. Normal levels of methemoglobin are less than 1%. In order to acquire methemoglobinemia, these levels have to reach at least 10%. This is a reversible condition. When you reach in excess of 70%, then you need to worry (Invalid Link Removed however, as you must have noticed on Livestrong, it would take 30-35g of nitrates to kill you. Therefore, dosing at >1000mg/day over a short period of time shouldn't/wouldn't be of any concern.
As for your second concern, I've already discussed that above. It relates to nitrosamine conversion. Vitamin C offsets that. And again, Livestrong doesn't present the full story: "The major concern of possible long-term effects of exposure to nitrate and nitrite is associated with formation of nitroso compounds, many of which are carcinogenic." Though LS does mention, "scientific evidence regarding their cancer-causing potential in humans is inconclusive."
mtinsideout
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I'm not saying people who need nitrates shouldn't take them obviously they have there place just not sure they are good for the average consumer... Or maybe I've just been brain washed by the FDA to think that nitrates are an evil cancer causing agent found in most processed foods. Unfortunately I couldn't view the link you posted above but am interested in the info. Just curious if you also might happen to have any human or animal studies showing the benefits of nitrates in regards to lifting? Always trying to learn 
Smitty77
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I'm not saying people who need nitrates shouldn't take them obviously they have there place just not sure they are good for the average consumer... Or maybe I've just been brain washed by the FDA to think that nitrates are an evil cancer causing agent found in most processed foods. Unfortunately I couldn't view the link you posted above but am interested in the info. Just curious if you also might happen to have any human or animal studies showing the benefits of nitrates in regards to lifting? Always trying to learn
If you're considering a government brainwashing effort, look no further than the absurdity of Prop 65 in CA.
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I'm on the fly, so I don't have access to any materials citing ergogenic effects of nitrates, but you can't qualify it that way. Consider how nitrates work and apply them to an exercise setting. Expansive blood vessels are all the rage in pump products and glucose disposal agents, etc. And, of course, potassium isn't without its benefits either. I do have a PDF that I'd like to attach, but it's not letting me. Just Google "nitrates and exercise" and it's the first link from static.abbottnutrition. That should help get you started; if you'd like to pursue it further, you can seek out the references used in that paper.
mtinsideout
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Thanks Smitty
VaughnTrue
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if you're looking for a pure potassium nitrate product, have no fear...one is soon to hit the shelves from none other than iForce Nutrition
it may or may not have an added goody in there already mentioned in this thread
it may or may not have an added goody in there already mentioned in this thread
koi1214
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if you're looking for a pure potassium nitrate product, have no fear...one is soon to hit the shelves from none other than iForce Nutrition
it may or may not have an added goody in there already mentioned in this thread
How soon?
antny04
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if you're looking for a pure potassium nitrate product, have no fear...one is soon to hit the shelves from none other than iForce Nutrition
it may or may not have an added goody in there already mentioned in this thread
Vitamin C?
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El Hefe
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I wanted to add an interesting element to the discussion.
I'm in the fertilizer business. Well, more specifically we design and distribute specialty plant nutrition products. Nitrates, phosphates, bi/carbonates, sulphates, etc are all commercial fertilizers (in my world). Potassium Nitrate is actually are most popular fertilizer derivative/ingredient. We sell it by the the 45,000 lb truckload.
Here's what tickles me:
Years ago, every farmer used nitrates, phosphates, sulphates, etc to grow the nations food. Then the organic movement decided these elements weren't healthy and they began using cow ****, chicken **** and waste to grow crops.
Now the healthy people simply ingest the fertilizers as supplements.
I'm in the fertilizer business. Well, more specifically we design and distribute specialty plant nutrition products. Nitrates, phosphates, bi/carbonates, sulphates, etc are all commercial fertilizers (in my world). Potassium Nitrate is actually are most popular fertilizer derivative/ingredient. We sell it by the the 45,000 lb truckload.
Here's what tickles me:
Years ago, every farmer used nitrates, phosphates, sulphates, etc to grow the nations food. Then the organic movement decided these elements weren't healthy and they began using cow ****, chicken **** and waste to grow crops.
Now the healthy people simply ingest the fertilizers as supplements.
burpees
Banned
lmaoooo
mw1
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Thats pretty much how everyone list a Creatine, bcaa, or potassium nitrate??
thedarce
Active member
since Vaughn let the cat out of the hope he wont get too mad with another hint the working name was KNOC
VaughnTrue
Well-known member
hopefully no more than 4-5 weeks
time will tell
Thats pretty much how everyone list a Creatine, bcaa, or potassium nitrate??
No i mean they list the front as 250mg/pill, but there is less than 250mg of potassium nitrate/pill. They include some of the fillers in the 250mg/weight.
it converts to NO very effectively.
domore
Well-known member
since Vaughn let the cat out of the hope he wont get too mad with another hint the working name was KNOC
If the price point is competitive to what people can pick up the Nutriguard version, you guys will definitely steal all the business from board members (here and elsewhere). Plus, all the other business you would get because of the iForce name.
criticalbench
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VaughnTrue
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yea, so its not 250mg of potassium nitrate per pill, but actually 97.5mg of Potassium Nitrate per pill.
Myokemist
Member
Not true...molecular weight of potassium is 39.0983 g/mol and nitrate is 62.0049 g/mol. Total weight of potassium nitrate is 101.1032 g/mol. The FDA requires you to put the amount of potassium (by itself based on molecular weight) separately. 97.5mg divided by 250 mg is 39...there is EXACTLY 250 mg of potassium nitrate per capsule. it YIELDS approximately 97.5 mg of potassium and 152.5 mg of nitrates.
mw1
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So where does that leave the amount in Tropinol XP ? Is that correct amount of nitrates?
mr.cooper69
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We saw this same issue with this product, which copied
Bioforge:
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Which actually ended up being labeled correctly (so that's 120mg zinc per day).
VaughnTrue
Well-known member
there is 150mg of Potassium Nitrate per pill in Tropinol XP.
As for the nutriguard, I guess I was mistaken. I dont have a bottle myself, and so many users were claiming that what was mentioned online, is not what is listed on their bottle.
an image of the ingredient panel would be nice to confirm.
As for the nutriguard, I guess I was mistaken. I dont have a bottle myself, and so many users were claiming that what was mentioned online, is not what is listed on their bottle.
an image of the ingredient panel would be nice to confirm.
El Hefe
Member
I haven't viewed the label for either of these products so I can't refer to them specifically. But I understand the confusion regarding some of these compounds.
If something is 100% PN, it breaks down roughly to 13% Nitrates and 46% Potassium (as K20), give or take a point depending on purity. The rest is inert matter/material.
If something is 100% PN, it breaks down roughly to 13% Nitrates and 46% Potassium (as K20), give or take a point depending on purity. The rest is inert matter/material.
Patrick Arnold
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if u want the best bang for your buck u need to take it with activated charcoal supplement and an elemental sulfur supplement.
mtinsideout
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Elemental sulfur and potassium nitrate? Are we sure we aren't talking about growing plants lol? If that is true though I guess throw in some vitamin C and you have the makings for a new supp to go with your typical PWO.
Patrick Arnold
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i was referring to black powder you numbskulls
mtinsideout
Well-known member
Black powder sweet name! But doesn't MRI already have that? J/k you got me...
cjwav34
Member
That's almost 1g of nitrates...
Myokemist
Member
LOL way to down play the pun on bang.
burpees
Banned
Thanks homie! Ima try that out I know u know your stuff
How much of charcoal and sulfur? Just follow label?
Myokemist
Member
I'm pretty sure that was a joke...gunpowder/black powder is made of sulfur, charcoal, and KNO3.
burpees
Banned
Lol I know just messing around
Spaniard
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Lol! You really need to post more! Your sarcasm is fantastic which the forum has been lacking lately!
criticalbench
Legend
El Hefe said:
Lmao so true.
Mike
Patrick Arnold
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Darkprince
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I would disagree and say that if they're helping someone with hypertension and improving their quality of life, that they are serving a healthful purpose.
Livestrong doesn't seem to provide you with all the necessary information here. Normal levels of methemoglobin are less than 1%. In order to acquire methemoglobinemia, these levels have to reach at least 10%. This is a reversible condition. When you reach in excess of 70%, then you need to worry (gi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdbterURL] however, as you must have noticed on Livestrong, it would take 30-35g of nitrates to kill you. Therefore, dosing at >1000mg/day over a short period of time shouldn't/wouldn't be of any concern.
As for your second concern, I've already discussed that above. It relates to nitrosamine conversion. Vitamin C offsets that. And again, Livestrong doesn't present the full story: "The major concern of possible long-term effects of exposure to nitrate and nitrite is associated with formation of nitroso compounds, many of which are carcinogenic." Though LS does mention, "scientific evidence regarding their cancer-causing potential in humans is inconclusive."
Damn! Dropping some truth bombs!