Post Cycle Therapy: A User's Guide

yates84 said:
Gyno Reversal Protocol
Ralox - 120mg ed
Exemestane - 12.5mg eod
*One should follow this protocol until lumps have subsided. At which point the Ralox dose should be reduced to 60mg ed and continued for another 4 weeks, and exemestane should be continued at 12.5mg eod for another 6 weeks. Continuing the exemestane for 2 weeks after discontinuing the Ralox helps prevent rebound.
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Hey yates84, thanks again for this info.
Quick question: If one does not have access to Ralox but does have Nolva would it be ok to substitute the Ralox 120 with Nolva 80mg or 40mg alongside the Exemestane for gyno reversal?
 
dave39 said:
Hey yates84, thanks again for this info.
Quick question: If one does not have access to Ralox but does have Nolva would it be ok to substitute the Ralox 120 with Nolva 80mg or 40mg alongside the Exemestane for gyno reversal?
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Yes, nolva can work for gyno reversal but 20mg is plenty. Follow the same protocol and just taper down to 10mg of nolva if/when your gyno is taken care of.
 
dave39 said:
Hey yates84, thanks again for this info.
Quick question: If one does not have access to Ralox but does have Nolva would it be ok to substitute the Ralox 120 with Nolva 80mg or 40mg alongside the Exemestane for gyno reversal?
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No need for 80mgs of nolva 40-50 should be MORE then plenty
 
dave39 said:
Thanks man, I saw the double dose of Ralox so just thought maybe nolva would need doubling but happy to hear it doesn't :)
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See with nolva 40 is already doubling as the standard dose is 20mgs wereas ralox is 60. Get what im saying?
 
rtmilburn said:
See with nolva 40 is already doubling as the standard dose is 20mgs wereas ralox is 60. Get what im saying?
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Yea I understand. I've seen suggestions for injectable cycles with pct at higher dosages so just needed a bit of clarification around the gyno reversal protocol
 
dave39 said:
Yea I understand. I've seen suggestions for injectable cycles with pct at higher dosages so just needed a bit of clarification around the gyno reversal protocol
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Parmi can really help in addition to gyno reversal protocol especially if it was caused by 19nor or prolactin(kinda the same though but that's arguable).

Also i heard that topical iodine(spot treatment) can help. I'm not sure why or how and have no personal experience with it. However i have seen a couple people say that it worked.
 
rtmilburn said:
Parmi can really help in addition to gyno reversal protocol especially if it was caused by 19nor or prolactin(kinda the same though but that's arguable).

Also i heard that topical iodine(spot treatment) can help. I'm not sure why or how and have no personal experience with it. However i have seen a couple people say that it worked.
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That's definitely interesting. Have never heard of iodine treatment for gyno. Thanks for sharing man
 
Bump for the new guys
 
Shooting a random question just curious:
How many of you guys prefer the nolva&clomid combo for pct?(only considering serms)
 
1test said:
Shooting a random question just curious:
How many of you guys prefer the nolva&clomid combo for pct?(only considering serms)
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Ive ran both, clomid only and nolva only.

My honest opinion... I like clomid only. Found I bounced back just as fast with no issues at all. Some guys don't like it though as it can make you emotional obviously.
 
grinnell27 said:
Ive ran both, clomid only and nolva only.

My honest opinion... I like clomid only. Found I bounced back just as fast with no issues at all. Some guys don't like it though as it can make you emotional obviously.
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I've done all 3 as well and prefer both ha. Nolva has me "feeling" better faster, but clomid plumps my boys up more. If I could only do one tho, it'd be clomid
 
1test said:
Shooting a random question just curious:
How many of you guys prefer the nolva&clomid combo for pct?(only considering serms)
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Both for me. I get no downsides, and a bunch of older, smarter guys than myself have recommended it - including Endo/TRT Docs. It's probably over-kill for a lot of the "mild stuff" I use, but I have the money and like I said, no negatives for me at 50mg/20mg and less, only twice a year.
 
Thanks for the input guys. The reason I asked is Serms are seen as pct only without taking into account that they also are foreign substances getting introduced to the body. I have only used nolva so far and have bounced back pretty easy without any concerns. Planning a longer cycle with considerably harsher compounds, just want to get everything covered, will be trying the combo this time.
 
1test said:
Thanks for the input guys. The reason I asked is Serms are seen as pct only without taking into account that they also are foreign substances getting introduced to the body. I have only used nolva so far and have bounced back pretty easy without any concerns. Planning a longer cycle with considerably harsher compounds, just want to get everything covered, will be trying the combo this time.
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Hit me up with your cycle if you want to talk about it bro.
 
1test said:
Sure will sir. But its way ahead in the future prolly 5-6 months from now. Right now on a pct from the previous one. Will hit you over the weekend if that's fine
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Any time you want ;)
 
1test said:
Thanks for the input guys. The reason I asked is Serms are seen as pct only without taking into account that they also are foreign substances getting introduced to the body.
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They were both developed in the 1960's, have been prescribed to 100s? of millions of people, and are on the WHO list of "Essential Medicines". The last chemical I worry about consuming, is a SERM :) These damn SARMs aren't even out of Phase trials yet, LOL!
 
All of my PCT's consist of Nolva and Clomid. I usually run clomid for 3 weeks (50/2512.5) and Nolva for 5 or so weeks (20/20/10/10/5). I've never had any issues with doing this and my recovery has always been on point with multiple 12+ week cycles in a row.

For milder and shorter cycles, I ran a typical Nolva PCT and had great recovery. With these longer multi-compound cycles, I feel much more confident with a dual-SERM approach. There's no reason to mega-dose these SERMs either, this is where people start seeing negative side-effects.
 
Been up reading these threads for 2 hours... Bump for other new guys. Thank you Yates for all the knowledge!
 
Nice read. Been scrolling. Where does Formestane (4-Hydroxyandrostenedione) fall on the AI spectrum? Can it be used in PCT if necessary or does it also have suppressive qualities? Possible low dose?
 
ddfox said:
Nice read. Been scrolling. Where does Formestane (4-Hydroxyandrostenedione) fall on the AI spectrum? Can it be used in PCT if necessary or does it also have suppressive qualities? Possible low dose?
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Also wondering this. Things like Formestane and gyno mg's and during on cycle for AI
 
ddfox said:
Nice read. Been scrolling. Where does Formestane (4-Hydroxyandrostenedione) fall on the AI spectrum? Can it be used in PCT if necessary or does it also have suppressive qualities? Possible low dose?
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It can be used in pct but in higher doses it is suppressive. I would stay at 100mg or less if using forma in pct.
 
yates84 said:
It can be used in pct but in higher doses it is suppressive. I would stay at 100mg or less if using forma in pct.
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^^^ Agree with this. I know many who have used during PCT with no problems, however I did read somewhere that even at low doses this does cause some competition for the androgen receptors. Personally, I just use it on cycle just in case it is true.
 
ddfox said:
Nice read. Been scrolling. Where does Formestane (4-Hydroxyandrostenedione) fall on the AI spectrum? Can it be used in PCT if necessary or does it also have suppressive qualities? Possible low dose?
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As far as where it falls in the range of AI's from OTC to Pharma is somewhere in the middle. It is a steroidal suicidal aromatase inhibitor. I find it quite effective and love it for on cycle estrogen control.
 
Jebrook said:
As far as where it falls in the range of AI's from OTC to Pharma is somewhere in the middle. It is a steroidal suicidal aromatase inhibitor. I find it quite effective and love it for on cycle estrogen control.
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It was a prescription ai at one time in the US but was considered too anabolic and was discontinued. I like form but still prefer exemestane.
 
Been browsing through this thread, and I'm interested in the gyno reversal protocol. I'm on trt and picked up what looks to be some mild gyno recently while running a sten cycle. I've never had any issue with my nips over several years of using PHs, and figured I just wasn't prone. Well, looks like my trt may have changed that. Is there any issue with giving Ralox a try while on trt? Also, how does ralox affect blood work (rbc, lipids, etc)?
 
hyperCat said:
Been browsing through this thread, and I'm interested in the gyno reversal protocol. I'm on trt and picked up what looks to be some mild gyno recently while running a sten cycle. I've never had any issue with my nips over several years of using PHs, and figured I just wasn't prone. Well, looks like my trt may have changed that. Is there any issue with giving Ralox a try while on trt? Also, how does ralox affect blood work (rbc, lipids, etc)?
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You can use that protocol while on trt, I had to run ralox at the beginning of this test cycle I'm on because I'm an idiot and played with trest while on high test. It got my situation under control so I tapered off of it after my lumps went away. Ralox should have minimal impact on your bloodwork tbh but I'm not sure of any real world number changes you might experience.
 
Jenko_seven said:
Diet and training the same although already finding it hard to throw down the same weights.
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The key is to eat at or above your NEW maintenance level. Gotta recalculate your tdee for your new muscle you put on during cycle. Do that and train at the same on cycle intensity while running a proper pct and you should maintain most of your gains.
 
Jenko_seven said:
Thanks guys these are the things I had no idea of
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ugghhh... i hate hearing this. this is just another example of someone who didn't put the due efffort into knowing what they were taking
 
Jenko_seven said:
Mate I have all the correct pct in place, I was confused about the diet as I was already eating much more then maintenance level on cycle trying to bulk , and am currently eating more then my new maintenance level.

Thought this was place to gain knowledge hence I ask questions not just get labelled someone that doesn't put in effort, why else would I be here
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Fair enough buddy but I think he was trying to point out that if you are still struggling with the basics, you shouldn't be using any exogenous substances. This is a place to learn sure but you need a good foundation first before putting in a speed elevator know what I mean
 
Jenko_seven said:
Mate I have all the correct pct in place, I was confused about the diet as I was already eating much more then maintenance level on cycle trying to bulk , and am currently eating more then my new maintenance level.

Thought this was place to gain knowledge hence I ask questions not just get labelled someone that doesn't put in effort, why else would I be here
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Ya 1test covered it.

Part of having everything in place is diet and training. Which you just said you weren't sure about. That's not having everything in place. I'm just saying that you should've asked these questions before the cycle, not after or once bad things begin. If you want to be labeled as someone who did all the legwork, then you should've done just that. Sorry, but that's just the facts.

Being proactive is the only way to make the best out of any cycle. We're all here to help (albeit with a bit of ridicule rolled in) even the guys who have total disasters, but that doesn't mean we have to like hearing all the silly things that could've been avoided with a little more planning.
 
let me add one anther note- and dont roll your eyes!

at least this was discussed and he had the help from you guys. He would have been flamed so bad on any other forum, but you guys did it right

nice job bro's
 
I wonder who will try to take credit for writing this thread for me smh...
 
Maybe I'll just delete it then.
 
Bump this for questions/ comments
 
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