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PH similar to Winstrol

nogadeshm

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Like the thread title says, I've done my research on various types of gear and the related components (SERM, etc), and I'm really wanting to try PHs rather than the full out thing as I think they could meet my goals just as well. I'm looking for a PH that has similar effects that I've read that winstrol has. Mainly, I"m doing a LOT of cardio, and some weightlifting, so I'd like to focus on lean muscle, and increased cardiovascular strength if that's a possible side effect. I'd appreciate any advice anyone might have. For those who ask about age, I'm 25, 5'8" and weigh 150.
 
nogadeshm said:
Like the thread title says, I've done my research on various types of gear and the related components (SERM, etc), and I'm really wanting to try PHs rather than the full out thing as I think they could meet my goals just as well. I'm looking for a PH that has similar effects that I've read that winstrol has. Mainly, I"m doing a LOT of cardio, and some weightlifting, so I'd like to focus on lean muscle, and increased cardiovascular strength if that's a possible side effect. I'd appreciate any advice anyone might have. For those who ask about age, I'm 25, 5'8" and weigh 150.
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First thing every one is going to do, is rush in and yell EAT FOOD EAT FOOD EAT FOOD RAWRGOBBLEBLAGHRAFRISHHHHHACKA BOOOM!!!!!

After that, consider h-drol, epistane for lean dry muscle gains. Though not winstrol in a sense, its hard to compare PH's to true AAS.
 
wolfe14 said:
so then there really isnt any advantage over one or the other?
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well its like a circle 45lb dumbbell, or a hexagonal 45lb dumbbell. The only difference is look.

EDIT: to make it simple, there are probably 20 or more companies with an epistane product. Now the only thing that matters is how concrete and legit the company is. Some companies produce crap product that wears the tag of epi, but doesnt work or is under dosed.
 
Zero V said:
well its like a circle 45lb dumbbell, or a hexagonal 45lb dumbbell. The only difference is look.
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I must disagree here. They differ in their mass distribution and balance. Personally, I prefer hex DB's... they just feel better than round/plate DB's.

:privateeye:
 
I seriously eat like you wouldn't believe. When I pick up the PH, I'm probably gonna grab a weight gainer as well. Thanks for the informative responses so far. Two other questions. The PHs you guys listed, do they have that same endurance increasing effect as Winny supposedly does? And the best place for these is online, right? I'm not expecting my local Viatamin Shoppe to have it.
 
nogadeshm said:
I seriously eat like you wouldn't believe. When I pick up the PH, I'm probably gonna grab a weight gainer as well. Thanks for the informative responses so far. Two other questions. The PHs you guys listed, do they have that same endurance increasing effect as Winny supposedly does? And the best place for these is online, right? I'm not expecting my local Viatamin Shoppe to have it.
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with those questions pls research some more before you start doing a cycle..

Also you said "some weight lifting" cardio wont make you gain lean mass. Gotta do less cardio more lifting. Also at 5'8 150 you should already be pretty lean..
 
I know the discussion of the thread went in a different direction, but the winstrol PH that's sold as clones of prostanozol is really weak, and shouldn't be used on a bulk or to gain strength. I only used 1 bottle, by the end I was on 5 pills a day, i couldn't see any difference but i got a little tightening of the muscles.
But that was it.

If you run 2-3 bottles and you're sub 10% you might really see the difference but wouldn't expect much gains.

It's more of an aesthetic drug, for hardening. What you need is calories.
 
hey man. i havent read the other posts so i apoligize if this has been beat into you. but at 140 pounds you need to stay away from ph/aas till more genectic potential has been reached.
 
im going to actually answear his question u guys ready?

IMO its furazadrol nutra has them on sale for 24.99 which is a killshot deal. take around 300mg it is supposibly non methyl oral winstrol? good stuff and veryyyyyyyyy good price
 
jay21 said:
im going to actually answear his question u guys ready?

IMO its furazadrol nutra has them on sale for 24.99 which is a killshot deal. take around 300mg it is supposibly non methyl oral winstrol? good stuff and veryyyyyyyyy good price
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IMO prostan, furazadrol, and hdrol would be the closest legal ph to winny. Epi can be quite the bulker (really the opposite of what he may want). It also really hinders cardio capacity ala back and calf pumps, so not the best option for someone with his training ideals.
 
Okay, I've been continuing my research, which has gotten even heavier after reading the comments from this post. I'm definitely gonna eat a lot more (I'm going to try around 5K calories a day instead of my usual 4k), and I'll be placing an order for some support supplements today. Prld is absolutely right about what I'm looking for. Because of my job, I have to continue the cardio, and I definitely want the supps to support that, which is the main reason I had chosen Winny. All the reviews and everything that I read about it mentioned that it was good for the lean muscle and endurance. After reading Unreal's comment though, I'm going to do some more searching to see if I can't find something stronger, because I really do want to see some gains at the end of the cycle, but I don't want to necessarily blow up to Arnold size. No disrespect meant to anyone who does or has, but it's just not the body style for me. Aside from that, all that's left is finding a good spot to get my PCT, which I'm still working on, but I know better than asking. ;) Thanks for all the advice so far guys, and if anyone has any more suggestions, I'll be appreciative to hear them!
 
hey man stick with it. if you reach the genetic potential ph will be that more effective. stick with it bro and happy lifting.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
IMO prostan, furazadrol, and hdrol would be the closest legal ph to winny. Epi can be quite the bulker (really the opposite of what he may want). It also really hinders cardio capacity ala back and calf pumps, so not the best option for someone with his training ideals.
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i aggree here furazadrol or hdrol is what i would go with. epi is stronger and will produce more bulk.
 
Ok is relative. individuals respond differently to different things. I know someone who had horrible back pumps and shin splints on halodrol, and wasn't bothered at all by epistane or superdrol.
 
Okay, I think I've got my first PH planned out. Please chip in any opinions/tips as you see fit.

I'm going to pick up some Havoc and use it. From everything I've read it seems to be a milder ph, which I really want since it's my first time around. The cycle I've got planned is:

Week 1: Start taking supplements for blood pressure support, liver (?)
Week 2: Begin Havoc 20mg
Week 3: Havoc 30mg
Week 4: Havoc 40mg
Week 5: Havoc 40mg

Followed by 4 week PCT of Formadrol Extreme. I've read a bunch of people saying it's not necessary to use a PCT, but every reputable thread I've seen says any ph needs a PCT, so I'm going to be safe here.

Diet wise, I'm going to up the calories to around 5k a day, but keep it clean (protein mainly, lean meats, etc). Exercise, I'm planning to do strength training 4 days a week (bodyweight exercises, weights) and running for 3 days a week (varying between running for a period of time (usually around 30 mins) or sprinting for under a time for 7 sets).

What I'm expecting is a decent gain in strength, a little extra weight (around 10 lbs?), and a slight improvement in my cardio. Side effect wise, it seems that I can expect a higher BP, possibly some joint pains, acne, decreased libido (how bad?).

Does this seem realistic? Am I supporting myself enough on the before and post cycle?
 
Okay, I see now that it's probably not powerful enough to restart the ol factory. Is there something I can use in place of something like Nova or Clomid or something? I know they're illegal to possess and I don't feel comfortable with the "lab rat experimental test". Would a product like Anabolic Innovations' Post Cycle Support that has Reservitrol be enough, or am I still shy?
 
use the formadrol along with sustain alpha, and t-force if it has to be OTC. for havoc that should be fine

oh and don't go any higher than 30mg. you are 140lbs, 40mg is ridiculous
 
thats the name of the game. AAS are dangerous there is a risk involved. if u dont want to get involved then dont. ( dont mean to sound like a jerkoff)

~like arnold said / "if u can't hit it then dont hit it"
 
Tomahawk88 said:
After getting my lab rat I am pretty baffled by people why people are so scared.

They don't even bite :lol:
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Pretty amazing how many of us have "lab rats" and are still fine with numerous cycles and great recovery under their belts.... "i'll take a liver toxic compound from a no-name company but those researched prescription drugs scare the S out of me."
 
kjkriston said:
Pretty amazing how many of us have "lab rats" and are still fine with numerous cycles and great recovery under their belts.... "i'll take a liver toxic compound from a no-name company but those researched prescription drugs scare the S out of me."
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I know at 1st I was a lil skeptical about how easy it would be to get a "lab rat" but it was really easy. Plus it is better to have a "lab rat" then not be prepared.

Lol ya this fly by night company that has been around for a few monthes is a lot more reputable than researched prescription drugs.
 
I stacked 100mg of P-MAG (similar to H-DROL, slightly more androgenic) with my Test-E cycle and I really think it hardened me up. My bodyfat isn't even that low but when I flex I have crazy muscle striations in my chest and shoulders. Some slight joint pain, though, which is also similar to Winstrol.
 
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