PES Select Protein: Read up!

mr.cooper69

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Announcement Thread:

I'm not intending this as an advertisement for our product, but let's just call this a pseudo-coop's corner. I think everyone can benefit from reading this writeup. Click on the references (in the brackets) and check out each source, then hit me with questions as you have them.

The bottom line is that all proteins are not necessarily created equal, and a lot of this is very recent data (past year or two).

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Cliffs:


-Blend > whey or casein alone
-The international protein conference deemed a 50/50 whey/casein blend (as in Select Protein) the optimal combination for building LBM
-Milk protein isolate is the best protein source for LBM gain
-The quality of whey can vary greatly, with WPC80 being the gold standard
-The leucine content of a meal largely determines the muscle protein synthesis response. Adding leucine to protein to hit the threshold leucine dose is of great value, especially when the leucine is peptide-bound to more closely match the kinetics of the protein itself
-And one that surprised me: whey is incredibly insulinogenic...moreso than sugars and other "bad" foods that people avoid like the plague. This insulin response is mitigated tremendously by consuming a blend
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'm not intending this as an advertisement for our product, but let's just call this a pseudo-coop's corner. I think everyone can benefit from reading this writeup. Click on the references (in the brackets) and check out each source, then hit me with questions as you have them.

The bottom line is that all proteins are not necessarily created equal, and a lot of this is very recent data (past year or two).

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Cliffs:

-Blend > whey or casein alone
-The international protein conference deemed a 50/50 whey/casein blend (as in Select Protein) the optimal combination for building LBM
-Milk protein isolate is the best protein source for LBM gain
-The quality of whey can vary greatly, with WPC80 being the gold standard
-The leucine content of a meal largely determines the muscle protein synthesis response. Adding leucine to protein to hit the threshold leucine dose is of great value, especially when the leucine is peptide-bound to more closely match the kinetics of the protein itself
-And one that surprised me: whey is incredibly insulinogenic...moreso than sugars and other "bad" foods that people avoid like the plague. This insulin response is mitigated tremendously by consuming a blend
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I love it coop

But why about those who don't handle lactose well

You add any digestive enzymes or probiotics?

I generally eat my food and not drink it.

But I'm willing to try this for sure. Just worried about my stomach

How do you suggest it?

Would you say with the inclusion of the peptform leucine that inbetween meals would be best to spike mps. Instead of aminos?
 
EBF Inc said:
I love it coop

But why about those who don't handle lactose well

You add any digestive enzymes or probiotics?

I generally eat my food and not drink it.

But I'm willing to try this for sure. Just worried about my stomach

How do you suggest it?

Would you say with the inclusion of the peptform leucine that inbetween meals would be best to spike mps. Instead of aminos?
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There is LESS than 1g of carbs per scoop. Remember, this is mostly isolate. But yes, lactase has been added even to deal with that < 1g of lactose per serving
 
Very informative and another great write up Coop.
 
He also decided snickerdoodle needed to be our 3rd flavor. So after you try it and scream for joy at its amazing taste, send him a PM to tell him how much you love him
 
nattydisaster said:
He also decided snickerdoodle needed to be our 3rd flavor. So after you try it and scream for joy at its amazing taste, send him a PM to tell him how much you love him
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So he's the one that decided there would be no blueberry muffin protein powder?


Remind me to neg him.
 
nattydisaster said:
Cooper did all of the research behind this formula, as well as all the science of the writeup. Lots of hard work went into this beast!
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Dude is a pure genius. Meeting him in person the guy is so focused on his work. Ever see this guy study? You dont want to interupt him or he will eat your hand off.

nattydisaster said:
He also decided snickerdoodle needed to be our 3rd flavor. So after you try it and scream for joy at its amazing taste, send him a PM to tell him how much you love him
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^^^ You know its going to be killer.
 
Can't wait to get feedback on their protein. I know it's gonna be the shizzle!!!!

Thanks for the write-up Coop!
 
I love threads made by Cyrus.
 
coop is also part in the model show for protein? this time only you deciding no go with the sarong
 
Has Glanbia ever released any data to show that PepForm is more effective than leucine on its own?

At 40% leucine, and the cost of PepForm, you could put in the same weight of leucine as PepForm, have 2.5x as much added leucine, and be significantly cheaper.

So is PepForm going to be absorbed at 2.5x the rate of straight leucine?
 
snickerdoodle cookies are awesome, so its pretty neat to see it as a protein flavor.
 
jimbuick said:
Hey, I wasn't sure, but do you dislike protein shakes?

Its hard to tell because you only bring it up every time anyone brings up drinking a shake....
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Dont do protein shakes,
unsatisfying and boring IMO ---> plus i enjoy eating my calories as often as possible. hence why i limit my protein to maybe a scoop a day tops i prefer whole foods (micronutrient wise and less processed wise seeing it is heavily processed)

thats why i always cook with protein, or use it as a pudding (use it as a frosting on my baked goods, or mix Protein + Greek Yogurt with Diced Fruit, Cereal, Granola, Pretzels as a small side dish to a meal can also add things like cocoa, pb2, pumpkin pie spice, SF/FF Pudding mix etc)
 
The Solution said:
Dont do protein shakes,
unsatisfying and boring IMO ---> plus i enjoy eating my calories as often as possible. hence why i limit my protein to maybe a scoop a day tops i prefer whole foods (micronutrient wise and less processed wise seeing it is heavily processed)

thats why i always cook with protein, or use it as a pudding (use it as a frosting on my baked goods, or mix Protein + Greek Yogurt with Diced Fruit, Cereal, Granola, Pretzels as a small side dish to a meal can also add things like cocoa, pb2, pumpkin pie spice, SF/FF Pudding mix etc)
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Dang, didn't lay the sarcasm on near heavy enough.
 
Thanks everyone. Josh of course is giving me way too much credit. This was as much his brainchild as it was mine.

Wilsy7 said:
So would this be better for bridging meals to increase MPS than amino IV?
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I'd say either would be effective, as both contain high doses of EAAs and leucine. Go with what you're feeling

De__eB said:
Has Glanbia ever released any data to show that PepForm is more effective than leucine on its own?

At 40% leucine, and the cost of PepForm, you could put in the same weight of leucine as PepForm, have 2.5x as much added leucine, and be significantly cheaper.

So is PepForm going to be absorbed at 2.5x the rate of straight leucine?
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I'm not sure any of these questions are relevant to anything besides cost of production. We worked with glanbia on this one and peptides ended up being the best bet. Absorption kinetics are not my concern. This isn't bio-gro. :D
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'm not sure any of these questions are relevant to anything besides cost of production. We worked with glanbia on this one and peptides ended up being the best bet. Absorption kinetics are not my concern. This isn't bio-gro. :D
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I'm just saying, why pepform?

You see the same thing in lots of products, expensive proprietary licensed ingredient at the end of a blend with no quantity given.

In most cases, it's there for label fluff, aura of exclusivity, and as justification for high price point.

PES has been a reputable brand so I assume that's not the case here, but pondering on it, I can't see the rationale for splurging on Pepform. Especially in the absence of any advantageous performance data on Pepform
 
De__eB said:
I'm just saying, why pepform?

You see the same thing in lots of products, expensive proprietary licensed ingredient at the end of a blend with no quantity given.

In most cases, it's there for label fluff, aura of exclusivity, and as justification for high price point.

PES has been a reputable brand so I assume that's not the case here, but pondering on it, I can't see the rationale for splurging on Pepform. Especially in the absence of any advantageous performance data on Pepform
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Interesting thoughts on the marketing perspective with these patent dosed formulas.

In AUS we get 80+% pure WPC 11LBS for around $90 and we can also get some pretty cheap bulk cassein from Aussie cattle...
 
De__eB said:
I'm just saying, why pepform?

You see the same thing in lots of products, expensive proprietary licensed ingredient at the end of a blend with no quantity given.

In most cases, it's there for label fluff, aura of exclusivity, and as justification for high price point.

PES has been a reputable brand so I assume that's not the case here, but pondering on it, I can't see the rationale for splurging on Pepform. Especially in the absence of any advantageous performance data on Pepform
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It's really quite simple if you think about it. We wanted to include actual protein, not free form leucine. Giant Sports and several other companies have added free form BCAAs and had them declared "filler" aminos. Not everything is marketed to De_eb and other intelligent forum members. This protein will sell mainstream, and we decided consumers would be way too confused if the writeup and label is talking about not adding amino acids, and then we add Leucine. Even if leucine is beneficial, the common consumer isn't delineating the effects of various free form AAs. Pepform was the best choice, especially with the deal we got from Glanbia.

Geoforce said:
Interesting read Coop.
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Thanks brotha
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Announcement Thread:

I'm not intending this as an advertisement for our product, but let's just call this a pseudo-coop's corner. I think everyone can benefit from reading this writeup. Click on the references (in the brackets) and check out each source, then hit me with questions as you have them.

The bottom line is that all proteins are not necessarily created equal, and a lot of this is very recent data (past year or two).

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Cliffs:

-Blend > whey or casein alone
-The international protein conference deemed a 50/50 whey/casein blend (as in Select Protein) the optimal combination for building LBM
-Milk protein isolate is the best protein source for LBM gain
-The quality of whey can vary greatly, with WPC80 being the gold standard
-The leucine content of a meal largely determines the muscle protein synthesis response. Adding leucine to protein to hit the threshold leucine dose is of great value, especially when the leucine is peptide-bound to more closely match the kinetics of the protein itself
-And one that surprised me: whey is incredibly insulinogenic...moreso than sugars and other "bad" foods that people avoid like the plague. This insulin response is mitigated tremendously by consuming a blend
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how does the 72% of protein per serving break down?
 
jbryand101b said:
So out of 100%, each serving contains about 36% of caesin, and 36% mpi?

And the other 28% is carbs, fats, and filler?
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No. The protein content is half whey and half casein. I told nattydisaster that we could count the pepform as protein, but he decided he didn't want to pad the numbers even if it was leucine peptides (which are more expensive than MPI or WPC80 by weight). So they are the bulk of the extra grams. And yes, there is 1.5g fat and <1g carbs, which is phenomenal if you ask me. If you read the label, there is no filler. There are no extra added ingredients besides pepform, flavoring/sweetener, and lactase. It's one of the simplest profiles out there.

I'm not addressing this post in particular as that is certainly fair game, but I am going to respectfully ask that if you have a problem with myself or other PES reps, to take it to PM. Let's keep things professional as I've had a few members bring this up to me already (I didn't even notice it myself until today). Thanks
 
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