PES Norcodrene ??

crappy nap...guess i was just earger to try norco, lol

1st...i like the little yellow and green caps



3:09 and i just popped 2....thought about doing 3, but i really don't have much to do today. after i see what 2 does i might try 3 on a day i really need the boost...or 1st thing in the morning at least!!!!
 
very subtle effect...after 20 minutes i noticed i got chatty talking to my wife while watching bourne on blue ray. went outside and trimmed some bushes before spring makes them flower out. noticed my music sounded really good, lol. didn't really feel stimmed, i just wanted to do something, sitting and watching a movie just wasn't cutting it.

t-bone, i realize this isn't a pre but the amentaflavone should work to improve workouts...might take awhile for that to happen, cooper said that effects are cummulative...i'm going to the gym tomorrow and i've got court time reserved at the tennis center on saturday, should notice something by then in the way of improved athletic performance like i got from uncut.

usually when i get up from a nap i am really hungry, haven't ate since 1:30 and don't feel hungry.
 
thebigt said:
very subtle effect...after 20 minutes i noticed i got chatty talking to my wife while watching bourne on blue ray. went outside and trimmed some bushes before spring makes them flower out. noticed my music sounded really good, lol. didn't really feel stimmed, i just wanted to do something, sitting and watching a movie just wasn't cutting it. t-bone, i realize this isn't a pre but the amentaflavone should work to improve workouts...might take awhile for that to happen, cooper said that effects are cummulative...i'm going to the gym tomorrow and i've got court time reserved at the tennis center on saturday, should notice something by then in the way of improved athletic performance like i got from uncut. usually when i get up from a nap i am really hungry, haven't ate since 1:30 and don't feel hungry.
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Thanks for sharing BigT. I have yet to take it as a "preworkout" so I really can't add to that part.
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks for sharing BigT. I have yet to take it as a "preworkout" so I really can't add to that part.
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amentaflavone is a very interesting compound, actually it is what drew me to norcodrene. with the stack i am running now there really isn't any need for an 'official' pre-workout.

but if i were using a pre-workout i wouldn't worry much about adding in a cap of norcodrene, with another cap later in the day...


we will see, i dose in the bag, time will tell!!!
 
I'm back on my Stims today !! I did 33 days no caffeine (big time for me !) I'm using 2 norco and 1 f95 preworkout today. also popping some katana 1 scoop in the game lets goo !!!
 
luckylefty811 said:
I'm back on my Stims today !! I did 33 days no caffeine (big time for me !) I'm using 2 norco and 1 f95 preworkout today. also popping some katana 1 scoop in the game lets goo !!!
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2 Norco and katana pre? Right after a stim break?

You may want to ease back into the stims; start with just katana or katana +1 Norco, IMO
 
Driven2lift said:
2 Norco and katana pre? Right after a stim break? You may want to ease back into the stims; start with just katana or katana +1 Norco, IMO
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Yea well see how I feel off one.
 
i thought there was this thing about not using yohimbine and tyrosine togtheri also started norco today, felt great this morning
 
Auslifter said:
i thought there was this thing about not using yohimbine and tyrosine togtheri also started norco today, felt great this morning
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There is. I'd caution the combo of Katana and Norcodrene at the same time based on that interaction.
 
Just popped norco and katana 1 scoop here we go will report back, upper body power day and cardio for 30 mins afterward.
 
Lol warning ignored I guess.


Ive seen mention of that interaction countless times but I still don't think I've heard what the physiological side effect is, I assume some kind of cardiac strain? Total guess
 
Driven2lift said:
Lol warning ignored I guess.


Ive seen mention of that interaction countless times but I still don't think I've heard what the physiological side effect is, I assume some kind of cardiac strain? Total guess
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Should probably be able to know / guess this considering I have an exam on monday involving pharmacology hah. Applied revision here we go.

Rate limiting step in nor/epinephrine synthesis is tyrosine to l-dopa by tyrosine hydroxylase. Increasing this should increase the rate of E / NE synthesis. Then yohimbine comes along, binds to the alpha-2 adrenoreceptors and blocks feedback inhibition of E / NE, which will increase the amount of neurotransmitter in the synaptic cleft and then.....

My mind has gone blank hah. Best hit those books.
 
Google "cheesing effect". :)
 
Auslifter said:
i thought there was this thing about not using yohimbine and tyrosine togtheri also started norco today, felt great this morning
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Depends on the individual and I would say that it depends on the dose. If you combine a decent dose of y with a big dose of tyrosine, you can feel real nauseous amongst other things very quickly.
 
Auslifter said:
i thought there was this thing about not using yohimbine and tyrosine togtheri also started norco today, felt great this morning
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bolt10 said:
There is. I'd caution the combo of Katana and Norcodrene at the same time based on that interaction.
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Driven2lift said:
Lol warning ignored I guess.


Ive seen mention of that interaction countless times but I still don't think I've heard what the physiological side effect is, I assume some kind of cardiac strain? Total guess
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bdcc said:
Google "cheesing effect". :)
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kissdadookie said:
Depends on the individual and I would say that it depends on the dose. If you combine a decent dose of y with a big dose of tyrosine, you can feel real nauseous amongst other things very quickly.
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My post in another thread

JudoJosh said:
RE: tyramine and AlphaT2...

Typically tyramine is contraindicated with yohimbe bark. This is because it functions as a mild MAO inhibitor. Tyramine is metabolized by MAO so if you were to supplement with tyramine while taking an MAOI you create an environment for hypertension. This is known as the cheese effect.

Now from what I understand it is an alkaloid in yohimbe bark which is the MAOI and this isn't necessary yohimbine. I am not sure if yohimbine has a significant MAOI or if alpha-y changes things much. I will leave that to mr.cooper69 to comment on but in the mean time I would just avoid D-stunner. You can get yourself some beta alanine, creatine and carnitine probably cheaper anyway. Save the d-stunner for when you aren't taking norcodrene.
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For reference tyramine is the end product when tyrosine is broken down
 
Felt fine still have good energy right now
 
Felt fine still have good energy right now
 
I've used yohimbine (up to 15g daily) with up to 1g tyrosine daily and had no issues.

I'm still using tyrosine with the norcodrene and I'm not sure what cheesing is... But I have felt very odd lately. I will look into it and see if it could be related
 
norcodrene is not a big smack in the face stim....

this is not really a big disappointment to me as this is not why i purchased it. i am reserving judgement until i am at least a week into using it... the cummulative fatburning/appetite suppression/strength effects are what i am looking for...plus improvement to my tennis game, court is reserved for saturday and i will be taking 2caps 45 miutes prior!!!
 
thebigt said:
norcodrene is not a big smack in the face stim....

this is not really a big disappointment to me as this is not why i purchased it. i am reserving judgement until i am at least a week into using it... the cummulative fatburning/appetite suppression/strength effects are what i am looking for...plus improvement to my tennis game, court is reserved for saturday and i will be taking 2caps 45 miutes prior!!!
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That's good to hear. I find in the face stims distracting.
 
saggy321 said:
That's good to hear. I find in the face stims distracting.
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i like them, but i already have a ton of them...looking for different/unique effects from norcodrene that i don't get with big stim products. hoping for effects similar to uncut, but BETTER!!!
 
I recommended this to my friend and he's loving it. He said it killed his appetite immediately.
 
schizm said:
Just started week 3, noticed the appetite suppression lasts 2 hours tops for me...but thermo effects still going strong...
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Awesome. I haven't asked him on the thermo effects. Ima ask him and see if he says the same as you.

Seems like PES hit a home run on this one.
 
We have always steered clear from in your face stimulants. Stimulation doesn't necessarily equate to fat burning. We want our fat burners to do their job, not just give someone cracked out energy for little fat loss advantage. :)
 
bdcc said:
We have always steered clear from in your face stimulants. Stimulation doesn't necessarily equate to fat burning. We want our fat burners to do their job, not just give someone cracked out energy for little fat loss advantage. :)
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You had me friggin fooled then with Enhanced :P
 
bdcc said:
We have always steered clear from in your face stimulants. Stimulation doesn't necessarily equate to fat burning. We want our fat burners to do their job, not just give someone cracked out energy for little fat loss advantage. :)
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But the mega dosed caffeine + B-complex supps sell so well! :P

PES is doing it right

That and its a lot easier to add extra stims if you like it that way, as opposed to less stim tolerant people having to take half the dose and miss out on the effective amounts of other ingredients
 
I completely agree that people often times look to get cracked out when choosing a fat burner. Completely ignoring how the product will actually help to burn fat and reduce cravings. We provide properly dosed ingredients to actually aid in the targeted outcome.
 
bdcc said:
We have always steered clear from in your face stimulants. Stimulation doesn't necessarily equate to fat burning. We want our fat burners to do their job, not just give someone cracked out energy for little fat loss advantage. :)
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So will the new PWO be low stim? :(

Although if it magically makes me rep out more I can forgive you. :D
 
bdcc said:
We have always steered clear from in your face stimulants. Stimulation doesn't necessarily equate to fat burning. We want our fat burners to do their job, not just give someone cracked out energy for little fat loss advantage. :)
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i was just letting people know that if big stim is what you are looking for...keep looking!!!

a big stim effect was not the reason for my buying it, so far i am not blown away by norcodrene but haven't gave up on it yet....cooper says effects are cummulative and he hasn't told me wrong so far!!!
 
thebigt said:
i was just letting people know that if big stim is what you are looking for...keep looking!!!

a big stim effect was not the reason for my buying it, so far i am not blown away by norcodrene but haven't gave up on it yet....cooper says effects are cummulative and he hasn't told me wrong so far!!!
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How long you been using it?
 
saggy321 said:
How long you been using it?
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3rd day.....not long enough to have an opinion other than it isn't very strong on stims. like i said i haven't gave up on it, just waiting for full effects to kick in.
 
Been on a week now and have only done a 1/4 of the cardio (HIIT) that I usually do over the last 7-10 days... Dare I say ive leaned out. Notably in the lower belly/lower back and thighs and face. (My face didnt need it tho) and no bodyweight changes. No dietary changes either during this time... Like t bone said it isn't gonna smack u in the face w stim feeling, but I think it's definitely working, and I think results would be dramatic on a slight deficit / contest prep diet
 
chedapalooza said:
Been on a week now and have only done a 1/4 of the cardio (HIIT) that I usually do over the last 7-10 days... Dare I say ive leaned out. Notably in the lower belly/lower back and thighs and face. (My face didnt need it tho) and no bodyweight changes. No dietary changes either during this time... Like t bone said it isn't gonna smack u in the face w stim feeling, but I think it's definitely working, and I think results would be dramatic on a slight deficit / contest prep diet
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What's your dosing schedule?
 
Thanks for the feedback Ched.
 
i like norcodrene!! im currently on my 2nd bottle. it reminds me of when i first used compound 20.... it doesnt make me feel much of anything but without a doubt i look leaner. the shocker is i havent hit the gym for almost a month and my diet includes a lot of Ruffles and Doritos.

im waiting for the new flavor of alphamine to arrive and im about to place an order for when im ready to get back in the gym... the thing is i dont want to stop at 8 weeks but ive been taking in some form of yohimbine for a very long time... what to do what to do
 
bananaClip said:
i like norcodrene!! im currently on my 2nd bottle. it reminds me of when i first used compound 20.... it doesnt make me feel much of anything but without a doubt i look leaner. the shocker is i havent hit the gym for almost a month and my diet includes a lot of Ruffles and Doritos. im waiting for the new flavor of alphamine to arrive and im about to place an order for when im ready to get back in the gym... the thing is i dont want to stop at 8 weeks but ive been taking in some form of yohimbine for a very long time... what to do what to do
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New flavor of alphamine has been out for a few weeks now
 
A lot of favorable feedback on norcodrene. I'm loving hearing all of it. I have tried a few caps here and there and enjoyed it but haven't had a solid run yet being I'm always bulking though the winter. In a few weeks I'm starting ABE, EPRO, Norco and shift. I have a feeling I'll be ripped up quick! Nothing like stripping down and seeing what I have truly gained through my bulk. :)
 
LiveToLift said:
A lot of favorable feedback on norcodrene. I'm loving hearing all of it. I have tried a few caps here and there and enjoyed it but haven't had a solid run yet being I'm always bulking though the winter. In a few weeks I'm starting ABE, EPRO, Norco and shift. I have a feeling I'll be ripped up quick! Nothing like stripping down and seeing what I have truly gained through my bulk. :)
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Your caps are going to get dried out & get all ruined what with the bottle being opened, but go ahead and send them all to me before it's too late...
 
schizm said:
Your caps are going to get dried out & get all ruined what with the bottle being opened, but go ahead and send them all to me before it's too late...
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Oh geez! You are entirely correct! I will get on that real quick like! I forgot it was you trying to score some. Haha :)
 
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