PES Norcodrene ??

dpk33 said:
Is it beneficial to stack Alphamine and Norcodrene and Alpha T2 together? If so, what would the dosing scheme look like?
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No, not really. All three products are very potent themselves.

You could do something lke: 1 Alphamine scoop, 1 cap Norcodrene, empty stomach in the morning. And then 1 Scoop Alphamine OR 1 Cap Norcodrene with 1 AT2

Or you could take 2 Norcodrene in the morning empty stomach to crush your appetite for a nice part of the day, and then 1-2 Alphamine in the evening before your workout. Or vice versa if you want Alphamine in the morning for quick hitting energy. Lots of options...
 
As a quick alphamine vs norcodrene comparison.

Alphamine:

Better Muscle Sparing
Better for fat oxidation
Novel thyroid and glucose control extracts

Norcodrene:

Better for lipolysis
Better for strength/preworkout performance
Novel TGR5 agonist
 
nattydisaster said:
No, not really. All three products are very potent themselves.

You could do something lke: 1 Alphamine scoop, 1 cap Norcodrene, empty stomach in the morning. And then 1 Scoop Alphamine OR 1 Cap Norcodrene with 1 AT2

Or you could take 2 Norcodrene in the morning empty stomach to crush your appetite for a nice part of the day, and then 1-2 Alphamine in the evening before your workout. Or vice versa if you want Alphamine in the morning for quick hitting energy. Lots of options...
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What would you say are the main differences of Norcodrene over Alphamine besides the fact that one is a capsule and the other is a powder? Is it mainly Norcodrene = more appetite suppression/euphoria? Alphamine = Energy?

edit: oops didn't see coops post. But what exactly is the difference between fat oxidation vs lipolysis? Sorry if this is a really stupid question.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
As a quick alphamine vs norcodrene comparison.

Alphamine:

Better Muscle Sparing
Better for fat oxidation
Novel thyroid and glucose control extracts

Norcodrene:

Better for lipolysis
Better for strength/preworkout performance
Novel TGR5 agonist
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Alphamine seems more Bodybuilder oriented with Muscle Sparing and Fat Oxidation ya?
Looks like ill be stocking up with the new flavor drops? Maybe 2-3 weeks Coop?
 
Im cutting and started alphamine last wed and gonna run it for 8 weeks (i have a log if you want to sub), but my question is would it be ok to start a 4 week cycle of norcodrene when my 8 wks of alphamine is up?
 
The Solution said:
Alphamine seems more Bodybuilder oriented with Muscle Sparing and Fat Oxidation ya?
Looks like ill be stocking up with the new flavor drops? Maybe 2-3 weeks Coop?
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No, I think norcodrene has the slight edge as a cutting agent and alphamine has the slight edge in muscle sparing, but both are already very good at the other one's specialty. To be clear:

Lipolysis = step 1 of fat loss
Fat oxidation (as mentioned above) = step 2 of fat loss

They are sequential for the most part
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No, I think norcodrene has the slight edge as a cutting agent and alphamine has the slight edge in muscle sparing, but both are already very good at the other one's specialty. To be clear:

Lipolysis = step 1 of fat loss
Fat oxidation (as mentioned above) = step 2 of fat loss

They are sequential for the most part
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your good at trying to sell people to buy your products you know that right :)?
 
NattyForLife said:
Im cutting and started alphamine last wed and gonna run it for 8 weeks (i have a log if you want to sub), but my question is would it be ok to start a 4 week cycle of norcodrene when my 8 wks of alphamine is up?
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Yes, you'll be fine doing that.
 
NattyForLife said:
Since HICA helps in muscle sparing would a norcodrene and HICA stack work better than alphamine?
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It's still different, that was only with respect to muscle sparing. Alphamine has choline for fat oxidation, oleuropein for thyroid function, and chlorogenic acid for glucose control.

They are unique products, each very effective at what they're designed to do
 
Regarding shipping to overseas, in particular Australia. I think I have read that PES direct use USPS to Australia in some cases. Do they use USPS always? No matter if it's small size or medium size?
 
I hope it's like synedrex without the bad side effects !!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's still different, that was only with respect to muscle sparing. Alphamine has choline for fat oxidation, oleuropein for thyroid function, and chlorogenic acid for glucose control. They are unique products, each very effective at what they're designed to do
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So just up my amino Iv or cremtor during my norco run :)
 
hmmm sounds like i might switch my current cut to norco + at2 when mine arrives
guess i'll find out once I try norco solo when it arrives
 
booneman77 said:
Facts>hype any day of the week.
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Unfortunately that's not true. The majority of buyers are ignorant.

The forums represent an extremely small percent of buyers.

Hype is needed to main stream and sell outside of this online community we all know and love.
 
EBF Inc said:
Unfortunately that's not true. The majority of buyers are ignorant.

The forums represent an extremely small percent of buyers.

Hype is needed to main stream and sell outside of this online community we all know and love.
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even in the online forums I feel as though products that have more hype sell better compared to products that have actual data supporting them.

BTW, I am most likely gonna be in NY Sunday. If I am there I will hit you up, maybe we can grab lunch
 
EBF Inc said:
Unfortunately that's not true. The majority of buyers are ignorant. The forums represent an extremely small percent of buyers. Hype is needed to main stream and sell outside of this online community we all know and love.
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Ya that was more of my personal opinion ha. I realize not everyone thinks that way, or even cares to for that matter. An unfortunate amount of people would rather be told what is good/bad rather then discover the how/why of things.
 
JudoJosh said:
even in the online forums I feel as though products that have more hype sell better compared to products that have actual data supporting them.

BTW, I am most likely gonna be in NY Sunday. If I am there I will hit you up, maybe we can grab lunch
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I'll be around after 6 brother, or I can try and rearrange ****.

I'd definitely be down for that man
 
booneman77 said:
Ya that was more of my personal opinion ha. I realize not everyone thinks that way, or even cares to for that matter. An unfortunate amount of people would rather be told what is good/bad rather then discover the how/why of things.
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General consumer doesn't want to be bombarded with how things work. Just if it works and if you need to change diet/exercise

It's extremely frustrating and concerning.
 
EBF Inc said:
General consumer doesn't want to be bombarded with how things work. Just if it works and if you need to change diet/exercise

It's extremely frustrating and concerning.
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EXACTLY how I used to be roughly 4 years ago. That is the reason I joined AM. Bc my MINDLESS attempts to supplement "goals" were ruled by flashy marketing and bros at the g spot nutrition centre. I knew I needed to learn the science and educate myself to
-stop wasting money
-stop hurting myself
-get results I wanted
 
chedapalooza said:
EXACTLY how I used to be roughly 4 years ago. That is the reason I joined AM. Bc my MINDLESS attempts to supplement "goals" were ruled by flashy marketing and bros at the g spot nutrition centre. I knew I needed to learn the science and educate myself to
-stop wasting money
-stop hurting myself
-get results I wanted
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And you've done great so far, keep it up
 
Hype sells, so does mr.cooper. His stamp of appeal works wonders for sales.

Not knocking, just jealous :D
 
Hayden is right.

Cyrus told me alcohol stimulates AMPK activity.

Since then I have performed all of my cardio sessions following a glass of whiskey.

Looking pretty lean but I got fired from my job for falling drunkenly down the gym stairs.
 
bdcc said:
Hayden is right.

Cyrus told me alcohol stimulates AMPK activity.

Since then I have performed all of my cardio sessions following a glass of whiskey.

Looking pretty lean but I got fired from my job for falling drunkenly down the gym stairs.
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You are a one shot wonder aren't ya Benny boy. Cheap drunk?
 
EBF Inc said:
Unfortunately that's not true. The majority of buyers are ignorant.

The forums represent an extremely small percent of buyers.

Hype is needed to main stream and sell outside of this online community we all know and love.
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Bingo.. Forums equal like what 7-8% of total sales?
Sad but true.
 
chedapalooza said:
EXACTLY how I used to be roughly 4 years ago. That is the reason I joined AM. Bc my MINDLESS attempts to supplement "goals" were ruled by flashy marketing and bros at the g spot nutrition centre. I knew I needed to learn the science and educate myself to
-stop wasting money
-stop hurting myself
-get results I wanted
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Amen to this. I think this is probably true for a large majority of the members here. There was almost always a day when we just wanted the results with none of the work/effort.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No, I think norcodrene has the slight edge as a cutting agent and alphamine has the slight edge in muscle sparing, but both are already very good at the other one's specialty. To be clear: Lipolysis = step 1 of fat loss Fat oxidation (as mentioned above) = step 2 of fat loss They are sequential for the most part
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Judging from all this I think it's best to run Alphamine with some erase than go wit norco with some at2. Idk why people wanna run them both when you could prolong a stack.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
As a quick alphamine vs norcodrene comparison. Alphamine: Better Muscle Sparing Better for fat oxidation Novel thyroid and glucose control extracts Norcodrene: Better for lipolysis Better for strength/preworkout performance Novel TGR5 agonist
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Seems like they would compliment one another in a stack, maybe Norcodrene in the AM and Alphamine in the PM early after noon... But watching caffeine total? Or does that not matter?
 
Alasel said:
Seems like they would compliment one another in a stack, maybe Norcodrene in the AM and Alphamine in the PM early after noon... But watching caffeine total? Or does that not matter?
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If you want to stack alphamine and norcodrene together I would suggest 1 scoop alphamine and 1 cap norcodrene in the morning on an empty stomach and then just 1 scoop alphamine or 1 cap norcordrene prior to workout. Alternatively you could do 2 caps norcodrene in the AM and 1-2 scoops alphamine prior to workout. That way you will get the benefits of both proucts but with the first option it should last a bit longer than the second one.
 
Also I would suggest adding l-carnitine along with norcodrene
 
Yup, should help with increasing fat oxidation which would complement norcodrene nicely
 
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