Guest viewing limit reached
  • You have reached the maximum number of guest views allowed
  • Please register below to remove this limitation

PES Norcodrene ??

I'm wondering if there will be any results to be expected... Coop has PES ran internal "logs" or had people use it yet? Aside from feeling good what were the results experienced?
 
The Solution said:
Alright Upcoming Cut Stack will be either Alphamine / Norcodren Alpha T2 PES select Forskolin yay or nay?
Click to expand...

I like it. I'm going to do:

AT2
Norcodren
Erase Pro
Forskolin
ArA
And if I'm feeling nutty, ABE also.

I'll probably bridge the ABE and ArA though.
 
The Solution said:
Alright

Upcoming Cut Stack will be either

Alphamine / Norcodren
Alpha T2
PES select
Forskolin

yay or nay?
Click to expand...

Ive been doing

ARA
Alphamine
Forskolin
ABE

Been helping cut off that excess holiday lard nicely. Might sub in Norcodren for alphamine and see if I notice anything different
 
kbayne said:
I like it. I'm going to do:

AT2
Norcodren
Erase Pro
Forskolin
ArA
And if I'm feeling nutty, ABE also.

I'll probably bridge the ABE and ArA though.
Click to expand...

Should i pick up Erase? i have never used it before...

CaptainSlentz said:
Ive been doing

ARA
Alphamine
Forskolin
ABE

Been helping cut off that excess holiday lard nicely. Might sub in Norcodren for alphamine and see if I notice anything different
Click to expand...

I do have some Xfactor (ARA) i could throw that into the mix as well

you guys are giving me good ideas :)
 
digitalducki said:
It's so funny ppl are already planning the stacks for something we don't know all about!
Click to expand...

There's beta agonist, tgr5 agonist which can reduce fatty acid synthase, nomilin which can increase cAMP , amentoflavone PPARa agonist and reduction of estrogen.

So basically,

Increased lipolysis , reduced adipogenesis, increased insulin sensitivity, reduction in estrogen, UCP??? Haven't seen yet but quite possible due to effect on thermogenesis. Then you have a2 antagonism and caffeine.

Product is well put together. But this is in no means a sub for coopers explanation. This is just a quick, what I see from ingredients. Type thing

It's more complex
 
The Solution said:
Should i pick up Erase? i have never used it before...

I do have some Xfactor (ARA) i could throw that into the mix as well

you guys are giving me good ideas :)
Click to expand...

Reason for using erase?
 
The Solution said:
Should i pick up Erase? i have never used it before...

I do have some Xfactor (ARA) i could throw that into the mix as well

you guys are giving me good ideas :)
Click to expand...

Amentoflavone works via cox2 inhibition so maybe separately. I guess it depends on how potently it does it

Most weight loss products should be used away from ara dosing
 
The Solution said:
Should i pick up Erase? i have never used it before... I do have some Xfactor (ARA) i could throw that into the mix as well you guys are giving me good ideas :)
Click to expand...

I have always used Erase / Erase Pro during a cut especially when my BF% is lower. I may not throw it in right away but it will be apart of my cutting stack for sure.
 
The Solution said:
Just seen others stacking and wondered why or how it would benefit.
Click to expand...

Its used as an anti estrogen and anti cortisol. I've seen bloods to confirm this. I will however say it really depends on a couple of things.

1. Are you currently non enhanced*off drugs and steroids*
I believe you compete. Im not claiming you are using drugs nor am I asking.
If you aren't on steroids a healthy estrogen level is important. Estrogen directly or indirectly*have to look it up* effedts igf1. To low or to high means igf1 is lowered. If you're within healthy estrogen levels you shouldn't be taking an anti estrogen or aromatase inhibitor. The drying effect only happens in individuals who have high estrogen*for reference 1.5 to 2x the normal amount of estrogen. *

If you are enhanced then sure take it as needed. Although my recent readings and research out of medical textbooks show even in the world of steroids anti es are way over used.

2. If you have low cortisol or are relatively stress free and deal with stress well then probably don't want to lower cortisol either. If you are very stressed then this could be a godsend.

Worth a try though. Best used for pct or on cycle support.

I'm not saying my opinion is the right one. Its just my opinion.
Buy it,try it. Its cheap.
 
I would like to take this moment to give a big thanks to natty and all the people at PES. Really great guys with top notch customer service and great reps. Thank you
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I would like to take this moment to give a big thanks to natty and all the people at PES. Really great guys with top notch customer service and great reps. Thank you
Click to expand...

This.

It's a shame someone is leaking product info early but PES organized quickly and is gearing up to give us details already
 
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240715-cirsium-oligophyllum.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240716-cirisum-japonicum.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240717-nomilin.html

For those not inclined to read:

Cirsiumplex contains two plants from the cirisum genus. Cirisum oligophyllum has been shown to act as a b2-agonist and effectively reduce subcutaneous fat. Cirsium Japnonicum has been shown to reduce visceral fat and is 20 times more potent than caffeine in inducing lipolysis. Cirsium japonicum also increases fat loss, lowers lipids, and lowers blood glucose by increasing adiponectin (the hormone found in high quantities in individuals with very low bodyfat). Next, cirsium japonicum has excellent data showing it decreases anxiety and depression (scared about yohimbe? this may be your fix). Lastly, cirsium japonicum may enhance performance if taken preworkout because it is a strong nitric oxide booster.

Nomilin (IMO the star of the formula) is the most potent, usable, naturally-occuring TGR5 agonist. As I posted earlier, TGR5 agonists are under heavy investigation for treatment of obesity/diabetes, and it's a brand new pathway in the science realm for the most part. Rodents given a high fat diet obviously gained a ton of fat. Rodents given a high fat diet + nomilin actually LOST FAT relative to where they were before overeating like crazy.

Invalid Link Removed

Invalid Link Removed





Sato, R. "Nomilin as an Anti-obesity and Anti-hyperglycemic Agent." Vitam. Horm. 91 (2013): 425-39. Web.
 
And this is only scratching the surface. Wait until you see how amentoflavone rounds out the formula and complements all 3 of the above.
 
McBurly said:
how did testers like the product?
Click to expand...

Tough to gauge fat loss since so many things are at play, but as far as energy goes, it is very unique. This is due to 3 key contributions that you won't find in any other fat burner:

1. The b-2 agonism from cirisum oligophyllum
2. The adenosine antagonism (same MOA as caffeine but stronger) from cirisum japonicum
3. Amentoflavone's ability to induce central stimulant effects (which I will touch on in another writeup) -> if you've used uncut and thought the energy/focus was great, you will probably like Norcodrene, as amentoflavone is the key unique energy component of Uncut
 
Yohimbine....no chance of getting it into Australia then.....any word on an international, non-yohimbine version?

Pretty sure those damn customs officials are already using my Alpha T2
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Tough to gauge fat loss since so many things are at play, but as far as energy goes, it is very unique. This is due to 3 key contributions that you won't find in any other fat burner:1. The b-2 agonism from cirisum oligophyllum2. The adenosine antagonism (same MOA as caffeine but stronger) from cirisum japonicum3. Amentoflavone's ability to induce central stimulant effects (which I will touch on in another writeup) -> if you've used uncut and thought the energy/focus was great, you will probably like Norcodrene, as amentoflavone is the key unique energy component of Uncut
Click to expand...
If you want more testers..... I'm always game. When's release??
 
Myke17 said:
Yohimbine....no chance of getting it into Australia then.....any word on an international, non-yohimbine version?

Pretty sure those damn customs officials are already using my Alpha T2
Click to expand...

Not sure, I'll let natty chime in

rosemont83 said:
If you want more testers..... I'm always game. When's release??
Click to expand...

I'm thinking an insider, perhaps this week?

jimbuick said:
This picture describes exactly how everyone in this thread feels right now.

Invalid Link Removed
Click to expand...

Haha well said!
 
halfhuman said:
Now this sounds like a definite buy. Can't wait to give it a go
Click to expand...

As an added and not yet mentioned bonus, this can replace your preworkout.

Cirisum japonicum = NO booster. Amentoflavone = strength enhancer. Energy and focus are out of this world with the product. ANd yohimbe increases fat loss while training. Can't ask for much else in a preworkout.

For more on amentoflavone prior to the writeup, Neuron wrote an exceptionally accurate article on the ingredient: Invalid Link Removed
 
from experience a good dose of amentoflavone increases mood, sex drive, power output, endurance, and focus
 
I would highly recommend that people sign up to the insider immediately if they want to get an email about the Norcodrene launch.

http://pescience.com/insider
 
mr.cooper69 said:
As an added and not yet mentioned bonus, this can replace your preworkout. Cirisum japonicum = NO booster. Amentoflavone = strength enhancer. Energy and focus are out of this world with the product. ANd yohimbe increases fat loss while training. Can't ask for much else in a preworkout. For more on amentoflavone prior to the writeup, Neuron wrote an exceptionally accurate article on the ingredient: Invalid Link Removed
Click to expand...

Ran with Alcar sounds beautiful for focus.

This product seems to be an all in one :-)
 
Damn, yohimbe prevents me from trying this
 
I swear after every freaking insider release i tell myself i am done buying supps for a while because my stash is getting too big. And then PES comes out with another product like this and i end up buying more. PES, my relationship with you is growing to be one of the love/hate variety. Quit taking my money!
 
Would you prefer we set up some kind of direct debit scheme? ;)
 
With an ingredient 20x as potent as caffeine (I realize this is in terms of mechanisms other than as a stimulant) but just to be safe I will ask,

Is this stackable with other stimulants?

Ie. if it is good pre-workout I would take it along with 1 scoop of a pre-workout (200mg caffeine)
Unless this would be ill-advised
 
This stuff sounds so awesome... I wonder if the insider comes out today hence the "strong suggestion" to sign up today! I'm bringing my cc to work with me just in case.
 
bdcc said:
Would you prefer we set up some kind of direct debit scheme? ;)
Click to expand...

Scheme?? Americans don't take to kindly to 'schemes' <ahem> no taxation without representation...?

Not a fan of the y, but have an open mind, and can tolerate it early afternoon thanks to having a desk job, so at some point I'll take this for a run, nice job Coop & PES...as usual.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240715-cirsium-oligophyllum.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240716-cirisum-japonicum.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240717-nomilin.html

For those not inclined to read:

Cirsiumplex contains two plants from the cirisum genus. Cirisum oligophyllum has been shown to act as a b2-agonist and effectively reduce subcutaneous fat. Cirsium Japnonicum has been shown to reduce visceral fat and is 20 times more potent than caffeine in inducing lipolysis. Cirsium japonicum also increases fat loss, lowers lipids, and lowers blood glucose by increasing adiponectin (the hormone found in high quantities in individuals with very low bodyfat). Next, cirsium japonicum has excellent data showing it decreases anxiety and depression (scared about yohimbe? this may be your fix). Lastly, cirsium japonicum may enhance performance if taken preworkout because it is a strong nitric oxide booster.

Nomilin (IMO the star of the formula) is the most potent, usable, naturally-occuring TGR5 agonist. As I posted earlier, TGR5 agonists are under heavy investigation for treatment of obesity/diabetes, and it's a brand new pathway in the science realm for the most part. Rodents given a high fat diet obviously gained a ton of fat. Rodents given a high fat diet + nomilin actually LOST FAT relative to where they were before overeating like crazy.
Click to expand...

Bold line is relevant to my phat azz. I'm really intrigued, and can't wait to try it out. Nice job Coop and PES
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top