PES enhanced is strong stuff

I jumped on the Insider deal and didn't look close enough at the label. I'm completely intolerant to yohimbe or johimbe. I've unfortunately had some of the worst workouts of my life on just 1 scoop. My heart rate skyrockets after only doing a few reps, then takes minutes to come down. I get real clammy and my mouth salivates like crazy, overall just very uncomfortable.

I remembered reading there is a yohimbe free alphamine, is there a yohimbe free enhanced? I have used maybe 5 scoops out of the tub, anybody want to trade?
 
andrew732 said:
Longer periods of adrenaline tend to lead to bad breath in my experience.
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It has to be an ingredient in alphamine, it happens after just a few minutes post consumption. Like an acidic aftertaste maybe? I dunno how to explain it exactly.
 
nevergoodenough said:
I jumped on the Insider deal and didn't look close enough at the label. I'm completely intolerant to yohimbe or johimbe. I've unfortunately had some of the worst workouts of my life on just 1 scoop. My heart rate skyrockets after only doing a few reps, then takes minutes to come down. I get real clammy and my mouth salivates like crazy, overall just very uncomfortable.

I remembered reading there is a yohimbe free alphamine, is there a yohimbe free enhanced? I have used maybe 5 scoops out of the tub, anybody want to trade?
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I believe yohimbe alkaloids are prohibited in UK and most of europe. There most likely will be a yohimbe-free enhanced if they want to target european customers.


Just out of curiosity, are you using any reuptake inhibitors?
 
5am and I'm 30 mins in on 2 scoops empty stomach. Holy crap I'm jumping out of my skin !!! 1 scoop only with no food . Enhanced is way powerful .
 
tnubs said:
It has to be an ingredient in alphamine, it happens after just a few minutes post consumption. Like an acidic aftertaste maybe? I dunno how to explain it exactly.
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Choline bitartrate.
 
roblasane said:
5am and I'm 30 mins in on 2 scoops empty stomach. Holy crap I'm jumping out of my skin !!! 1 scoop only with no food . Enhanced is way powerful .
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Haha, I hope you are going to train and not just taking it for recreational fun!
 
nidhogg said:
I believe yohimbe alkaloids are prohibited in UK and most of europe. There most likely will be a yohimbe-free enhanced if they want to target european customers.


Just out of curiosity, are you using any reuptake inhibitors?
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No I am not, so if there's anybody interested in it, shoot me a pm.
 
PES is stong but it did not seem to affect my heart-rate like other stim supps. (Jack3d sometimes made my heart race) This is why I really like Enhanced, I can dose a 2 full scoops and I just get endless energy WITHOUT the racing-heart rate. It's NOT a caffeine buzz to me, it's a nice, smooth climb that I really like. I'm a little surprised that some are getting increased BP and heart rates, but everything affects everybody differently!
 
zv3 said:
PES is stong but it did not seem to affect my heart-rate like other stim supps. (Jack3d sometimes made my heart race) This is why I really like Enhanced, I can dose a 2 full scoops and I just get endless energy WITHOUT the racing-heart rate. It's NOT a caffeine buzz to me, it's a nice, smooth climb that I really like. I'm a little surprised that some are getting increased BP and heart rates, but everything affects everybody differently!
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I agree. I never truly understood "clean" energy before I took ENHANCED. Smooth, consistent energy without being jittery.
 
Nutra has enhanced on sale!

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I really want to jump on this deal, however, I've been having this weird side effect of Enhanced every time I've used it (for a total of 3 workouts).

The focus I get from it is great when my eyes are staying idle, but when I start shifting my focus back and forth in different directions I get an insane headache/vertigo feeling... Never had this with any other PWO or nootropic before, and I tolerate alphamine quite well.

Clean energy and focus, but this side effect really kills it for me. Anyone else experience something like this? It's happened with both 1, 1.5 and 2 scoops, with the latter just amplifying it.

I'm thinking that maybe my body is having trouble adjusting to the nitrates?
 
allright guys. I been giving this stuff a shot and ive got to say im a believer. My first time using this stuff made me feel ill, i started with 1 heaping scoop (about 1.5 realistic size scoops). I felt nauseated sweaty and just plain odd. But i thought i would stick to it.
So i tried hals scoop. No sides with this, no rush but damn after the warmup sets effects started to shine. Is like an on switch and to my disbelief, pump was accumulating. There's gotta be some sort of delivery system or the extracts are real pure cause i did feel the pump better than with 1g agmatine and 1g creatine nitrate plus citruline stacked and it was a damn half scoop.
Now ive then jumped into 1 scoop with no sides , but everything seem to be better. So i think 1 scoop will be my sweet spot.

On a side note, endurance was outstanding too, i noticed that, but what could be doing this? there is no citrulline or beta alanine which typically do this to me. Anyone noticed better endurance / less fatigue during sets? I noticed this on craze but that does have citruline so this had me wondering.
 
unzarida said:
I really want to jump on this deal, however, I've been having this weird side effect of Enhanced every time I've used it (for a total of 3 workouts).

The focus I get from it is great when my eyes are staying idle, but when I start shifting my focus back and forth in different directions I get an insane headache/vertigo feeling... Never had this with any other PWO or nootropic before, and I tolerate alphamine quite well.

Clean energy and focus, but this side effect really kills it for me. Anyone else experience something like this? It's happened with both 1, 1.5 and 2 scoops, with the latter just amplifying it.

I'm thinking that maybe my body is having trouble adjusting to the nitrates?
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Havent heard that feeling yet...Enhanced definitely has a strong mental aspect.

I have to disagree with Cooper though... 1.5 scoops seems to be the favorite dose for guys really wanting to buzz at the gym. 2 scoops if you're a baller, shot caller
 
1.5 and I'm kicking in the door to the gym, love this stuff!
 
shinivan said:
On a side note, endurance was outstanding too, i noticed that, but what could be doing this? there is no citrulline or beta alanine which typically do this to me. Anyone noticed better endurance / less fatigue during sets? I noticed this on craze but that does have citruline so this had me wondering.
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Nice to see you found your sweet spot by playing with the doses. As for the endurance that is something that I notice a lot on Nitrates. I know you mentioned you have used Creatine Nitrate before though so that should be similar. It may be due to the mental aspects of the product tho. Increased mental stimulation may have you pushing through barriers you wouldn't normally. :)
 
BPjohn123 said:
1.5 and I'm kicking in the door to the gym, love this stuff!
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I normally do this. Today I hit 2 scoops though because I was pretty tired around training time. Was able to go in and kill back, abs and cardio. Still feeling wired almost 2 hours after the workout!
 
That is a side effect I am really enjoying. I can go in and crush my workout but still have a nice steady energy left over to actaully get stuff done after.
 
Dear god. I used two scoops yesterday and I have never experienced anything even close to that powerful in ten years of using various ephedra products and pre-workouts.

I've been using Craze at two heaping scoops on and off for the past year or so, and it doesn't even come close to how powerful Enhanced is.

That said, two scoops was way too much. My BP spiked, I got tremendously flushed, broke out in a cold sweat, and felt like I was gonna puke.

I have never been so overwhelmed by the max dose of any product before. Will back off to 1 scoop and see how it goes.
 
jamesgatz83 said:
Dear god. I used two scoops yesterday and I have never experienced anything even close to that powerful in ten years of using various ephedra products and pre-workouts.

I've been using Craze at two heaping scoops on and off for the past year or so, and it doesn't even come close to how powerful Enhanced is.

That said, two scoops was way too much. My BP spiked, I got tremendously flushed, broke out in a cold sweat, and felt like I was gonna puke.

I have never been so overwhelmed by the max dose of any product before. Will back off to 1 scoop and see how it goes.
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Label says start with 1 scoop for a reason!

Its powerful...
 
nattydisaster said:
Label says start with 1 scoop for a reason!

Its powerful...
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Ha, I know. I went in thinking it wasn't a big deal since every label says to start with one scoop to assess tolerance and I've never needed anything less than max dose to get a decent effect.

I have a ton of experience with different pre-workouts, and this is the first pre-workout I've ever discovered where the max dose is overwhelmingly powerful.
 
jamesgatz83 said:
Ha, I know. I went in thinking it wasn't a big deal since every label says to start with one scoop to assess tolerance and I've never needed anything less than max dose to get a decent effect.

I have a ton of experience with different pre-workouts, and this is the first pre-workout I've ever discovered where the max dose is overwhelmingly powerful.
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We didnt want to sell you guys short
 
jamesgatz83 said:
Looking forward to trying it at one scoop. I might actually get better-than-expected value out of a pre-workout for once.
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Love hearing this, Enhanced is unlike any preworkout I've ever used.
 
nattydisaster said:
Those reports are from people not starting with 1 scoop it looks likeAt 1-1.5 scoops, you can really stretch a bottle out based on your stim tolerance
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I've got a pretty extensive stimulant experience...been taking OTC and pharmaceutical stims since the mid-late 90's off and on. I decided to give enhanced a go with the presale and really wish I'd tried a sample first. I tried my first dose at just over a scoop (probably 1 1/4 scoop) and it didn't go well. It honestly felt like a big dose of yohimbine. Increased heart rate. I felt like I couldn't catch my breath and at times I thought I was going to pass out. Lots of anxiety and nausea during my workout. I had to cut the workout short. I decided to give it a try at 3/4 of a scoop and it wasn't much better...just not as pronounced as before. I'm not sure how you guys are taking this stuff. Really made me feel like crap. It sucks because I really wanted this stuff to work for me, but now I've got nearly a full tub that I'll never use.
 
jamesgatz83 said:
Anybody in here with experience with both Craze and Enhanced? Curious to hear dosing protocols for the respective products.
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I've tried both and in my experience, craze is far superior. IMO it really is the gold standard as far as pre-workouts go.

The anxiety/jitters/nasty stim feel from enhanced was just too much for me even at lower dosages. I do seem to be the minority however. Its a bummer.
 
I got two sample packs from PES a while back...these samples included approx 2 scoops each...
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cliffs: I did not have a good workout with either sample packs.... I'm just going to say that 2 scoops was too much for me...

However, I did went ahead and purchased a tub from Darren/NutraPlanet. Plan to start with 1 scoop (stack with Hemavol) and see how it goes...
 
quigs said:
I've got a pretty extensive stimulant experience...been taking OTC and pharmaceutical stims since the mid-late 90's off and on. I decided to give enhanced a go with the presale and really wish I'd tried a sample first. I tried my first dose at just over a scoop (probably 1 1/4 scoop) and it didn't go well. It honestly felt like a big dose of yohimbine. Increased heart rate. I felt like I couldn't catch my breath and at times I thought I was going to pass out. Lots of anxiety and nausea during my workout. I had to cut the workout short. I decided to give it a try at 3/4 of a scoop and it wasn't much better...just not as pronounced as before. I'm not sure how you guys are taking this stuff. Really made me feel like crap. It sucks because I really wanted this stuff to work for me, but now I've got nearly a full tub that I'll never use.
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I had a similar experience at 2 scoops, and now that you mention it, a lot of the trademark yohimbine sides were present: facial flushing, jitters, increased heart rate, etc. It did wear off quickly, however, and it tapered off very smoothly. Nothing even resembling a crash.

It reminded me a little of the first time I ever drank a Spike Shooter, which is essentially just 300 mg of caffeine and a solid dose of yohimbine.
 
quigs said:
I've got a pretty extensive stimulant experience...been taking OTC and pharmaceutical stims since the mid-late 90's off and on. I decided to give enhanced a go with the presale and really wish I'd tried a sample first. I tried my first dose at just over a scoop (probably 1 1/4 scoop) and it didn't go well. It honestly felt like a big dose of yohimbine. Increased heart rate. I felt like I couldn't catch my breath and at times I thought I was going to pass out. Lots of anxiety and nausea during my workout. I had to cut the workout short. I decided to give it a try at 3/4 of a scoop and it wasn't much better...just not as pronounced as before. I'm not sure how you guys are taking this stuff. Really made me feel like crap. It sucks because I really wanted this stuff to work for me, but now I've got nearly a full tub that I'll never use.
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Addy being sent...Lol Sorry to here about the experience though Quigs
 
I promise you guys any side effects due to overstimulation are not from yohimbine. The stim-blend as a whole is large and potent...like any product, it's not for everyone, but by adjusting the dose, you may be able to make it work for you.
 
dsbhaver said:
I am spewing that both original versions of alphamine or enhanced isn't allowed into Australia :(
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Australia versions of both coming soon...all new formulas to abide by your crazy laws and still maintain an awesome feel and results...will be the most hardcore and exotic thing on the aussie shelves
 
bolt10 said:
Nice to see you found your sweet spot by playing with the doses. As for the endurance that is something that I notice a lot on Nitrates. I know you mentioned you have used Creatine Nitrate before though so that should be similar. It may be due to the mental aspects of the product tho. Increased mental stimulation may have you pushing through barriers you wouldn't normally. :)
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You are right, i forgot about the nitrates in the formula. Although i never noticed this kind of effect before due to me always pairing up citrulline with nitrates.
 
nattydisaster said:
Australia versions of both coming soon...all new formulas to abide by your crazy laws and still maintain an awesome feel and results...will be the most hardcore and exotic thing on the aussie shelves
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If only! Every time without fail that "Aussie versions" of anything come out they are garbage. Not your fault of course, you can't put the good stuff in!I just ordered anyway. Bit of luck it will slip through. I'll never know what they did to craze over here but it went from mind blowing to utter rubbish about a year after it came out. Damn our ridiculous laws! I'm gonna just keep trying to get the Us version through. There is literally no good PWO' here. Just caffeine filled crap. So sad.
 
nattydisaster said:
Australia versions of both coming soon...all new formulas to abide by your crazy laws and still maintain an awesome feel and results...will be the most hardcore and exotic thing on the aussie shelves
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Technicley there is nothing illeagle listed on the label.:)

With the nutra sale, what version will be sold? The Flavored version that was shipped on the insider sale or the new flavors that taste more like candy/alphamine?

I dont mind the flavor that arrived from the insider sale, but its a little chalky. I prefer alphamine more.
 
Anything that retailers have will be the first flavour. Any improved flavours won't have gone to manufacture yet as far as I know.
 
ProteinMurder said:
If only! Every time without fail that "Aussie versions" of anything come out they are garbage. Not your fault of course, you can't put the good stuff in!I just ordered anyway. Bit of luck it will slip through. I'll never know what they did to craze over here but it went from mind blowing to utter rubbish about a year after it came out. Damn our ridiculous laws! I'm gonna just keep trying to get the Us version through. There is literally no good PWO' here. Just caffeine filled crap. So sad.
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Agreed. Everything we get is far from amazing
 
There is a UK version of Alphamine without the SA2-A complex. I couldn't tell the difference between the two to be honest. :)
 
Doccmatic is right. Technically nothing illegal on label (bless your hearts PES) if its good I'm gonna STOCK UP hard before this weak country bans it!
 
ProteinMurder said:
But you gots to say that brother, no offence. ;)
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Not really. If I preferred one I wouldn't mind saying it. Customers appreciate honesty. :)

On paper I would prefer to have the SA2-A complex in Alphamine and would definitely pick the USA version. When I used the UK version I couldn't tell the difference. Josh compensated with higher amounts of the other ingredients very effectively.
 
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