PA solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem?

MAxximal

MAxximal

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E-Pharm TEST FORCE

D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate

To get the most benefit from D-aspartic acid you must use a form that is highly soluble and bioavailable. Unfortunately, straight D-aspartic acid has terrible water solubility (less than 1 gram will dissolve in 220 milliliters of water). This means that it basically sits in your digestive tract as a gritty powder and absorbs very slowly and erractically. Furthermore, at higher dosages this powder can cause digestive disturbances in susceptible individuals.

Fortunately I found out how to solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem. What I did was make what is known as a calcium chelate of the amino acid. What that achieved was increasing the water solubility from less than 1 gram/200 milliliters to practically limitless. It was quite a remarkable achievement. What is also remarkable about this chelate is that it happens to be stable over a very wide pH range. Once converted to this calcium chelate the amino acid became much more user friendly, as well as more quickly absorbable, and quite possibly more bioavailable. In addition to that, you get a healthy dose of highly bioavailable calcium with each dose.

Test Force is simply d-aspartic calcium chelate powder and nothing else. It comes with a 3 gram scoop. The powder dissolves practically instantly in any beverage and it is essentially tasteless. It is recommended that people take 1-2 servings a day, and often users may find it advantageous to with 2 servings (6 grams) a day for two to four weeks and then with 1 serving (3 grams) a day for the remainder of the cycle. Cycles can last anywhere from 3 weeks to indefinitely, since this product works with your body and is completely natural.
 
Glad he finally nailed it..he's been working on this for weeks.

Waiting on my product to come soon.
 
MAxximal said:
E-Pharm TEST FORCE

D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate

To get the most benefit from D-aspartic acid you must use a form that is highly soluble and bioavailable. Unfortunately, straight D-aspartic acid has terrible water solubility (less than 1 gram will dissolve in 220 milliliters of water). This means that it basically sits in your digestive tract as a gritty powder and absorbs very slowly and erractically. Furthermore, at higher dosages this powder can cause digestive disturbances in susceptible individuals.

Fortunately I found out how to solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem. What I did was make what is known as a calcium chelate of the amino acid. What that achieved was increasing the water solubility from less than 1 gram/200 milliliters to practically limitless. It was quite a remarkable achievement. What is also remarkable about this chelate is that it happens to be stable over a very wide pH range. Once converted to this calcium chelate the amino acid became much more user friendly, as well as more quickly absorbable, and quite possibly more bioavailable. In addition to that, you get a healthy dose of highly bioavailable calcium with each dose.

Test Force is simply d-aspartic calcium chelate powder and nothing else. It comes with a 3 gram scoop. The powder dissolves practically instantly in any beverage and it is essentially tasteless. It is recommended that people take 1-2 servings a day, and often users may find it advantageous to with 2 servings (6 grams) a day for two to four weeks and then with 1 serving (3 grams) a day for the remainder of the cycle. Cycles can last anywhere from 3 weeks to indefinitely, since this product works with your body and is completely natural.
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dsade said:
Glad he finally nailed it..he's been working on this for weeks.

Waiting on my product to come soon.
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Awesome news on both fronts! thanks for posting that maxx. Hope both come out soon.
 
MAxximal said:
is true thats D-Aspartic Acid up prolactin levels?


p.s. Hey Matt did you launch a D-Aspartic Acid product too?
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Yes, I have been waiting on PAs material for my product, Ambush-LH, which is a powdered test booster/prolactin controller/PCT product.
 
AE14 said:
sounds good Matt. Is there a scheduled time table on it?
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We have material on the way, Dave, from Xtreme Formulations, is putting in his amazing flavoring skills to make sure this is perfect.

Should have it within 4-5 weeks.
 
dsade said:
We have material on the way, Dave, from Xtreme Formulations, is putting in his amazing flavoring skills to make sure this is perfect.

Should have it within 4-5 weeks.
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that is tremendous news. Will be giving this a shot
 
If the original study used 3g of DAA why would he suggest 6g of the more soluble/bioavailable stuff? Shouldn't you be able to use less if its more effective?
 
wearedbleedblue said:
If the original study used 3g of DAA why would he suggest 6g of the more soluble/bioavailable stuff? Shouldn't you be able to use less if its more effective?
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Probably correcting for the mass of the calcium, but I will ask him.
 
wearedbleedblue said:
If the original study used 3g of DAA why would he suggest 6g of the more soluble/bioavailable stuff? Shouldn't you be able to use less if its more effective?
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From Patrick:

DAA takes time to build up in tissues to exert maximum effects. The suggestion is more of a "loading" phase to reach saturation as quickly as possible, and is just that - a suggestion.
 
dsade said:
From Patrick:

DAA takes time to build up in tissues to exert maximum effects. The suggestion is more of a "loading" phase to reach saturation as quickly as possible, and is just that - a suggestion.
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Sweet!


p.s. i need eat:food:
 
MAxximal said:
E-Pharm TEST FORCE

D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate

To get the most benefit from D-aspartic acid you must use a form that is highly soluble and bioavailable. Unfortunately, straight D-aspartic acid has terrible water solubility (less than 1 gram will dissolve in 220 milliliters of water). This means that it basically sits in your digestive tract as a gritty powder and absorbs very slowly and erractically. Furthermore, at higher dosages this powder can cause digestive disturbances in susceptible individuals.

Fortunately I found out how to solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem. What I did was make what is known as a calcium chelate of the amino acid. What that achieved was increasing the water solubility from less than 1 gram/200 milliliters to practically limitless. It was quite a remarkable achievement. What is also remarkable about this chelate is that it happens to be stable over a very wide pH range. Once converted to this calcium chelate the amino acid became much more user friendly, as well as more quickly absorbable, and quite possibly more bioavailable. In addition to that, you get a healthy dose of highly bioavailable calcium with each dose.

Test Force is simply d-aspartic calcium chelate powder and nothing else. It comes with a 3 gram scoop. The powder dissolves practically instantly in any beverage and it is essentially tasteless. It is recommended that people take 1-2 servings a day, and often users may find it advantageous to with 2 servings (6 grams) a day for two to four weeks and then with 1 serving (3 grams) a day for the remainder of the cycle. Cycles can last anywhere from 3 weeks to indefinitely, since this product works with your body and is completely natural.
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We solved our solubility issue by creating the sodium form of aspartic acid (sodium-d-aspartate)... but its interesting to see companies are trying something new. Its not the same form used in the study though, so who knows if it will actually have the same effect on T levels. I guess we will have to see some bloods to be sure.

I dont believe there is any reference standards available for calcium-d-aspartate either... So id be interested to see how e-pharm is quantifying the potency of their d-asp.

-Eric
 
Is this even needed? I mean 1 guy(I forgot who) had good results with plain old bulk powder from nutra!
 
d aspartic acid may be DIRECTLY linked to libido and not so much indirectly (rise in tetsosterone levels, rise in LH levels). When they examined frogs in their sexual height of their mating cycle, they found out that DAA levels in their brain and reproductive organs was at it's maximum. So high DAA levels in the reproductive organs and hypothalamus = High libido?
 
Imeniaan said:
d aspartic acid may be DIRECTLY linked to libido and not so much indirectly (rise in tetsosterone levels, rise in LH levels). When they examined frogs in their sexual height of their mating cycle, they found out that DAA levels in their brain and reproductive organs was at it's maximum. So high DAA levels in the reproductive organs and hypothalamus = High libido?
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bump!
 
Primordial Perf said:
We solved our solubility issue by creating the sodium form of aspartic acid (sodium-d-aspartate)... but its interesting to see companies are trying something new. Its not the same form used in the study though, so who knows if it will actually have the same effect on T levels. I guess we will have to see some bloods to be sure.

I dont believe there is any reference standards available for calcium-d-aspartate either... So id be interested to see how e-pharm is quantifying the potency of their d-asp.

-Eric
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The sodium approach was also a smart move.
 
dsade said:
Yes, I have been waiting on PAs material for my product, Ambush-LH, which is a powdered test booster/prolactin controller/PCT product.
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Would certainly be interested in Ambush-LH's compound profile.
 
MAxximal said:
E-Pharm TEST FORCE

D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate

To get the most benefit from D-aspartic acid you must use a form that is highly soluble and bioavailable. Unfortunately, straight D-aspartic acid has terrible water solubility (less than 1 gram will dissolve in 220 milliliters of water). This means that it basically sits in your digestive tract as a gritty powder and absorbs very slowly and erractically. Furthermore, at higher dosages this powder can cause digestive disturbances in susceptible individuals.

Fortunately I found out how to solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem. What I did was make what is known as a calcium chelate of the amino acid. What that achieved was increasing the water solubility from less than 1 gram/200 milliliters to practically limitless. It was quite a remarkable achievement. What is also remarkable about this chelate is that it happens to be stable over a very wide pH range. Once converted to this calcium chelate the amino acid became much more user friendly, as well as more quickly absorbable, and quite possibly more bioavailable. In addition to that, you get a healthy dose of highly bioavailable calcium with each dose.

Test Force is simply d-aspartic calcium chelate powder and nothing else. It comes with a 3 gram scoop. The powder dissolves practically instantly in any beverage and it is essentially tasteless. It is recommended that people take 1-2 servings a day, and often users may find it advantageous to with 2 servings (6 grams) a day for two to four weeks and then with 1 serving (3 grams) a day for the remainder of the cycle. Cycles can last anywhere from 3 weeks to indefinitely, since this product works with your body and is completely natural.
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Reps, this was a great update and article in this month's Muscular Development - thank you for sharing. DAA holds a lot of potential, but some honest and glaring drawbacks as well. I am withholding any type of verdict until much more research and consumer usage comes about, especially in light of the somewhat cost prohibitive nature of the product and the ubiquitously relied upon Italian study only lasting 12 days and not elucidating on any further hormonal responses/suppression or measured body composition changes etc.
 
Outstanding said:
Reps, this was a great update and article in this month's Muscular Development - thank you for sharing. DAA holds a lot of potential, but some honest and glaring drawbacks as well. I am withholding any type of verdict until much more research and consumer usage comes about, especially in light of the somewhat cost prohibitive nature of the product and the ubiquitously relied upon Italian study only lasting 12 days and not elucidating on any further hormonal responses/suppression or measured body composition changes etc.
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I'm in the same boat. Very interested, but waiting for more evidence at the moment.
 
Primordial Perf said:
We solved our solubility issue by creating the sodium form of aspartic acid (sodium-d-aspartate)... but its interesting to see companies are trying something new. Its not the same form used in the study though, so who knows if it will actually have the same effect on T levels. I guess we will have to see some bloods to be sure.

I dont believe there is any reference standards available for calcium-d-aspartate either... So id be interested to see how e-pharm is quantifying the potency of their d-asp.

-Eric
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Probably by taking pure d-aspartic as the ref, running calcium-d-aspartate against it on an NMR

there is a formula based on adding up the values on the peaks where you can determine purity vs. the standard- we had to do something similar with a couple different products. This won't tell you how much calcium, unless calcium is the only agent that the pure d-aspartic is bound to, and then it is just a simple percentage.

To get your standard once you have determined a consistent purity (you have to determine the what the constituents are; calcium, d-aspartic, etc.) you take values from 3 or more separate production batches of the calcium d-aspartate, and the NMR will determine the line-of-best fit for your data. If no other referenced standard exists, this becomes your standard. The more information you feed the machine, the more data it can compile on whatever you are testing. This will tend to decrease the sensitivity of the machine to variables that may arise (and there can be a ton of stuff that can alter the testing)

This is an acceptable method to use when trying to qualify an ingredient for ID testing and you don't have a good standard, or no standard exists, which is the case with quite a few compounds out there that you find in dietary supplements
 
Ok sorry if this is a dumb question

But id there any benifit of adding testforce when on a sustanon/primo cycle?
 
Jbrooks said:
Ok sorry if this is a dumb question

But id there any benifit of adding testforce when on a sustanon/primo cycle?
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Theoretically it could help maintain natural test production during cycle, as well as speeding up your PCT.
 
I got my DAA-CC 2 days ago and it mixes and tastes great. 1 scoop in about 4-5 ounces of liquid.
 
dsade said:
Theoretically it could help maintain natural test production during cycle, as well as speeding up your PCT.
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Would this be something utilized throughout the duration of a cycle, or only during a final phase leading out into the PCT protocol to signal testicular 'ignition?' Also, is there any benefit, aside from expedited PCT, to maintaining endogenous testosterone levels and circulation while on a Test/Tren/Deca cycle? Lastly, you had mentioned in theory DAA could in fact maintain natural T levels/production even while on cycle; who put this theory forward? I was unaware anything could compete with and reverse the shutdown wrought by supra-physiologic levels of injected Testosterone. Thanks D!
 
Outstanding said:
Would this be something utilized throughout the duration of a cycle, or only during a final phase leading out into the PCT protocol to signal testicular 'ignition?' Also, is there any benefit, aside from expedited PCT, to maintaining endogenous testosterone levels and circulation while on a Test/Tren/Deca cycle? Lastly, you had mentioned in theory DAA could in fact maintain natural T levels/production even while on cycle; who put this theory forward? I was unaware anything could compete with and reverse the shutdown wrought by supra-physiologic levels of injected Testosterone. Thanks D!
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Much like HCG, we have a compound purported to work not only centrally through the hypothalamus, but directly on leydig cells to stimulate LH and test production. Shutdown works through certain mechanisms, and if those mechanisms can be shortIcircuiuted or gone-around then we can prevent shutfdown and speed recovery.
 
MAxximal said:
This is for Ambush LH?
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The ambush formula is coming along nicely, but initially I wanted to check solubility and taste of the PA DACC first.

Very nice...and on presale right now.
 
dsade said:
The ambush formula is coming along nicely, but initially I wanted to check solubility and taste of the PA DACC first.

Very nice...and on presale right now.
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I prefer waiting for Ambush LH and i trust in your formulations never fail me
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MAxximal said:
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Thanks Nutra Killer deals ever!!!
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$60 a month to cycle this product at clinical dosages, doesn't seem totally out of line considering the challenges manufacturers are going through trying to source real DAA and the positive effects on Testosterone levels.

I would still be hesitant to invest in DAA at this point due to the glaring lack of any new double-blind (or any type) research trials that can demonstrate a correlation between the realized percentage increase in Testosterone and any meaningful strength or body composition changes, all while avoiding any severe suppression or other unfavorable hormone modulation which could plausibly surface when studies for longer than twelve days are performed.
 
For the first week I took D-Asp I had horrible diarreah. When I'd check the bowl, it would be all cloudy. Now, I am more regular but have no diarreah and the cloudiness in the bowl is gone. Has my body become accustomed to the D-Asp? Anyways, I mix it in my protein. If I do it in water the powder instantly DROPS to the bottom of the glass. Crazy how it sinks so quickly.
 
airvine91 said:
For the first week I took D-Asp I had horrible diarreah. When I'd check the bowl, it would be all cloudy. Now, I am more regular but have no diarreah and the cloudiness in the bowl is gone. Has my body become accustomed to the D-Asp? Anyways, I mix it in my protein. If I do it in water the powder instantly DROPS to the bottom of the glass. Crazy how it sinks so quickly.
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Sounds like malabsorption throughthe GI tract of regular DAA. I have experienced none of that with the calcium chelate.
 
dsade said:
Sounds like malabsorption throughthe GI tract of regular DAA. I have experienced none of that with the calcium chelate.
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Are you running this right now Dsade? How many days and have you noticed any results?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Are you running this right now Dsade? How many days and have you noticed any results?
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I have noticed a distinct and potent mood and libido boost. I've had it for about 6 days.
 
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