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Oxygen 4 Energy - Pure Oxygen

During A super Bad ass work out of dead lifts and squats, blood vessels in muscles dilate and blood flow is than raised or higher at this time in order to increase available oxygen supply. NOw No one here is going to tell me that this is not what happens during a work out. Its a simple fact every single one of us has experience firsts hand. We see the muscles fill up with more blood.. WHY?? It is to send more Oxygen thats why... Up to a degree, the usable oxygen the body normally can send to the muscles is sufficient to meet the energy needs of the body. But when the work out is intence and your ass to the grass balls to the walls killing that ****. oxygen cannot be supplied to muscle fibers fast enough, and the aerobic breakdown of pyruvic acid cannot produce all the ATP required for further muscle contraction. When this happens more ATP is made by anaerobic glycolysis. When this happens most of the pyruvic acid produced is converted to Lactic acid. From what I have read however about 75 percent or more of the lactic acid does get converted back into glucose or glycogen through a process in the liver. lactate threshold refers to a point during exercise of increasing intensity at which blood lactate begins to accumulate above resting levels. This occurs when the body’s ability to clear lactate is surpassed by its accumulation. When the ventilatory and lactate thresholds are surpassed, exercise performance quickly slows downs, so there is a great interest in training strategies to delay the onset of the lactate and ventilatory thresholds.

Ultimately, once adequate oxygen is available, lactic acid must be catabolized completely into carbon dioxide and water. After exercise has stopped, extra oxygen is required to metabolize lactic acid; to replenish ATP, phosphocreatine, and glycogen; and to pay back any oxygen that has been borrowed from hemoglobin, myoglobin (an iron-containing substance similar to hemoglobin that is found in muscle fibers), air in the lungs, and body fluids. In recovery, oxygen is used in the processes that restore the body to a resting state and adapt it to the excersize performed . These include:Hormone balancing, replenishment of fuel stores,cellular repair,innervation and anabolism. Post-exercise oxygen consumption replenishes the phosphagen system. New ATP is synthesized and some of this ATP donates phosphate groups to creatine until ATP and creatine levels are back to resting state levels again. Post-exercise oxygen is also used to oxidize lactic acid. Lactic acid is produced during exercise and then travels via the blood stream to the kidneys, cardiac muscle, and liver. An increased amount of oxygen is necessary to convert the lactic acid back to pyruvic acid at these locations. Another use of EPOC is to fuel the body’s increased metabolism from the increase in body temperature which occurs during exercise.

The pyruvate molecules produced during glycolysis contain a lot of energy in the bonds between their molecules. In order to use that energy, the cell must convert it into the form of ATP. To do so, pyruvate molecules are processed through the Kreb Cycle, also known as the citric acid cycle. and this cycle is highly dependent on the use of oxygen... Invalid Link Removed <--- See graph of process. We can see in the graph that the process needs oxygen to be completed.

Now we know during a hard training session from experience we do get to a point of intensity where we feel our muscles can take us further than are lungs can support. Anyone who has ever run a tren cycle would have to agree with me even more lmao. We have reached our maximal oxygen uptake..

The two major components of oxygen recovery are:​
1. lactacid oxygen debit (fast component)the portion of oxygen required to synthesise and restore muscle phosphagen stores (ATP and PC

2. Lactacid oxygen debit (slow component)the portion of oxygen required to remove lactic acid from the muscle cells and blood

Without oxygen present cells must convert pyruvic acid to lactic acid. This regenerates the NADH required to continue glycolysis.


After a strenuous exercise there are four tasks that need to be completed:

  1. Replenishment of ATP
  2. Removal of lactic acid
  3. Replenishment of myoglobin with oxygen
  4. Replenishment of glycogen
The oxygen that is required by cells to create energy is obtained via respiration. The “energy” that is produced is ATP, or adenosine triphosphate, which is a molecule that is created and stored in all body cells and provides chemical energy for cellular function. ATP provides the energy required for a muscle to contract, and is also necessary for the operation of the muscle’s calcium pump, which is involved in the sliding filament mechanism responsible for muscle contraction.

When large amounts of glucose are used in sustained anaerobic activity, lactic acid accumulates and is alleged to contribute to muscle soreness. The buildup of lactic acid increases muscle cell acidity (hence the burning feeling in muscle) and makes ATP production more difficult. ATP is also required for the sodium-potassium pump which maintains cellular homeostasis. In the absence of ATP, the sodium-potassium pump is unable to correct any ionic (sodium, potassium etc) imbalances in the cell environment, and muscle becomes unresponsive to stimuli.
And don’t forget that the calcium pump, used in muscle contraction, requires ATP to operate. When a deficit of ATP occurs, the muscle fibres are unable to release the “cross bridges” which are created during contraction.



Cellular respiration allows Our bodies to use (release) energy stored in the Chemical bond of glocose .The energy in glucose is used to produce ATP. Cells use ATP to supply their energy needs. Cellular respiration is therefore a process in which the energy in glucose is transferred to ATP. In respiration, glucose is oxidized and thus releases energy Oxygen is a major part of the process. Oxygen is reduced to form water.The carbon atoms of the sugar molecule are released as carbon dioxide

The complete breakdown of glucose to carbon dioxide and water requires two major steps: 1. glycolysis and 2. aerobic respiration. Glycolysis produces two ATP. Thirty-four more ATP are produced by aerobic pathways if oxygen is present. In the absence of oxygen, fermentation reactions produce alcohol or lactic acid but no additional ATP. The electron transport system is found in the mitochondrion and chloroplast of eucaryotes and in the plasma membrane of procaryotes. It consists of a series of carrier molecules which pass electrons from a high-energy compound to a final low-energy electron acceptor. Energy is released during these oxidation-reduction reactions to produce ATP. Oxygen
is the final electron acceptor. The low-energy electrons that emerge from the electron transport system are taken up by. The negatively charged oxygen molecules take up protons from the medium and form water. Without oxygen, cellular respiration could not occur because oxygen serves as the final electron acceptor in the electron support system. The electron transport system would therefore not be available. Under normal conditions, oxygen is transported by the hemoglobin in red blood cells. When the body is subjected to increased pressure, oxygen is also transported to body tissues by blood plasma.



So No Going to the gym and taking a hit of pure oxygen before your very first set is not going to do a damn thing for you. However after that massive push where you just gave it everything you got and hit a new pr on your squat and your not even half done with your work out? After a 3 minute round of getting your ass kicked or kicking some ass in the ring and still have 12 more rounds to go?
The 10th mile of a 20 mile marathon? During your power lifting comp after bunch and squats over and its now time for Dead lifts?
After the 2nd set of a triple set and you've push with every last fiber of your body to get the best damn burn you can get? After a 90 yard sprint across the football field scoring a awesome touch down but only 3 mines into the game?

That moment where your body is depeleted. The moment you dug down deep and gave it all you got and used every last bit of energy you have. You used every bit of mental and physical strength you had and your ready to physically drop? When you feel like you have nothing left at all to give yet you still have miles and miles to go?

That is why NFL players use oxygen my friend that is why. Because they are asked to give everything they have physically any mentally on every play from the very start of the game till the end. Because they give it everything single last bit they got every single down and than they no 10-20-30 seconds to a minute later they have to get in there and do it 100% with every last single bit of drive they have again and again and again from start to end...And you go ahead and you please I beg you ask anyone of them if they oxygen helps them? Ask them how important it is to them? Ask them if without it could they get back in there and do that 90 yard run again? Ask them if they could get back in there and fend off the 360lb man in front of them again and again and again without it? And if they would want to??


Now imagine if you will that you go into the gym tomorrow.. And every single lift you have, every set before you, every rep every squat, dead lift, and bench press .. What if you could give it everything you had mentally and physically on every single one of them . What if you could drop your rest time, what if you could push further , what if you could dig deep and push for a PR on a dead lift and than after that Personal best grab that bar and out due your self on the next one!!!!

If you are not pushing it like that. If you are not giving every last thing you got on every last rep of every work out. Why not??? Pure portable oxygen is not for that avg la de da gym going no its prob not good for half the people reading this right now...... But for the man determined to kill it every single second of his work out from the very start of it to the end. For the man that wants to get every last mother phucking thing he can out of every single second of that work out... The man who wolked into that gym on a missions , focused with his head phones on and his leave me the phuch along look on his face.... For that man Oxygen is the sh*t and it gave him an edge.. It let him push further than the man in front of him and for him that man was a 500lb dead lift or a 700lb squat rack and he did battle with it kicking its ass up and down the bottle field the entire work out...

Don't buy any oxygen if it does not sound like its for you. I'm not here to tell you what you need or what you may benefit from. You decide that every day not me. But as for me?? Yes You will find me At latitude gym in Salisbury mass sucking on a damn little white bottle like it was my damn job and loving every minute of it too. Mrsupps.com has Oxygen ... 95% pure portable Oxygen my friends and why the hell not give it a try? Why the hell not guys? I think every single one of you here would agree its not the worst idea you have ever heard of right? Its not the dumbest suggestion anyone ever made to you..Its pure fringing oxygen WTF BRO?


Thank you for taking the time to read my post guys as always you know I love you and Yes I will stop by here to hand out some free cans for testing you can bank on that. Im doing it on another forum right now and you guys will be next I promise you.. Thanks
 
hehe, i could get an E cylinder with no effort and keep it in my car pre workout if i thought it would help. but like i said, ive coincidentally gone to the gym directly after using oxygen on several occasions and never noticed a difference. that plus the science is proof enough for me.


Do you all know if there will be a NTBM christmas or new years sale that may apply to the transaderm?
And you wouldn't ether why would you?? Read my post above and also we are having a christmass sale till the end of the month.. merryxmass
is the code and its 20% off till the end of the month.. THanks bro
 
Off topic but since every NTBM rep has posted in here, where can i get some friggin transaderm? The formastanzol delivery system made me jizz in my pants b/c of how quickly it dried. And the topical dhea that i made myself is sticky and makes me break out on that area due to the greasyness. So delivar the goods!
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In stock and ready to role my friend. Go Kill that ****
 
Why the hell not guys? I think every single one of you here would agree its not the worst idea you have ever heard of right? Its not the dumbest suggestion anyone ever made to you..Its pure fringing oxygen WTF BRO?

Greatest sales pitch ever :D
 
Great info Nate, and thanks for sharing. A lot of us are in the dark on this topic, and was a little unsure of the best way to utilize it. So...the best understanding I have is that the biggest benefit you will see is when you are wore the f*ck out and still have some workout left to complete or when you've seemed to run your tank dry but need a little extra.

I can't wait to try this out. I just received my bottle yesterday, and will be ready to log and review my experience with it next week. I will be using it as an intra-workout tool in both my weight and cardio sessions to determine its effectiveness for "killing it" :sgrin:
 
Great info Nate, and thanks for sharing. A lot of us are in the dark on this topic, and was a little unsure of the best way to utilize it. So...the best understanding I have is that the biggest benefit you will see is when you are wore the f*ck out and still have some workout left to complete or when you've seemed to run your tank dry but need a little extra.

I can't wait to try this out. I just received my bottle yesterday, and will be ready to log and review my experience with it next week. I will be using it as an intra-workout tool in both my weight and cardio sessions to determine its effectiveness for "killing it" :sgrin:
 
During A super Bad ass work out of dead lifts and squats, ....................

This is an exercise physiology book gone horribly, horribly wrong. I don't even know where to start.

Its a simple fact every single one of us has experience firsts hand. We see the muscles fill up with more blood.. WHY?? It is to send more Oxygen thats why... Up to a degree, the usable oxygen the body normally can send to the muscles is sufficient to meet the energy needs of the body.

No. The muscles get a "pump" due to increased hydrostatic pressure in the blood vessels as a result of a greater cardiac output. This forces fluid out of the blood and into the interstitium (space between muscle cells), yielding the pump. If it was because the muscles filled with blood, then that blood would coagulate and there would be no delivery or removal of waste product.

Further, the vasodilation that occurs in working tissues is less due to a lack of oxygen, and more due to a negative feedback system: the presence of metabolites (CO2, H+, La, Adenosine) and epinephrine cause the vasodilation.

But when the work out is intence and your ass to the grass balls to the walls killing that ****. oxygen cannot be supplied to muscle fibers fast enough, and the aerobic breakdown of pyruvic acid cannot produce all the ATP required for further muscle contraction. When this happens more ATP is made by anaerobic glycolysis. When this happens most of the pyruvic acid produced is converted to Lactic acid.

ATP is not produced aerobically during weight training unless you are doing sets of 100+ reps. The majority of energy producing during weight training is via the phosphate or anaerobic system. Oxygen in the ambient air does not play a significant role in energy production.

actate threshold refers to a point during exercise of increasing intensity at which blood lactate begins to accumulate above resting levels. This occurs when the body’s ability to clear lactate is surpassed by its accumulation. When the ventilatory and lactate thresholds are surpassed, exercise performance quickly slows downs, so there is a great interest in training strategies to delay the onset of the lactate and ventilatory thresholds.

Yes, in distance running and cycling. Not resistance training.

The pyruvate molecules produced during glycolysis contain a lot of energy in the bonds between their molecules. In order to use that energy, the cell must convert it into the form of ATP. To do so, pyruvate molecules are processed through the Kreb Cycle, also known as the citric acid cycle. and this cycle is highly dependent on the use of oxygen... Invalid Link Removed

Lovely figure. I challenge you to find me some evidence that the aerobic system is important for resistance training. If that was the case, then you would see a lot of emphasis placed upon improving the aerobic system via higher intensity endurance cardio in bodybuilders and strength athletes.

The two major components of oxygen recovery are:​
1. lactacid oxygen debit (fast component)the portion of oxygen required to synthesise and restore muscle phosphagen stores (ATP and PC

2. Lactacid oxygen debit (slow component)the portion of oxygen required to remove lactic acid from the muscle cells and blood

What does EPOC and recovery following exercise have to do with your hypothesis that a shot of oxygen during a training session will improve performance. If anything, we know that spending time in a HYPObaric (less O2) chamber improves recovery.

The oxygen that is required by cells to create energy is obtained via respiration. The “energy” that is produced is ATP, or adenosine triphosphate, which is a molecule that is created and stored in all body cells and provides chemical energy for cellular function. ATP provides the energy required for a muscle to contract, and is also necessary for the operation of the muscle’s calcium pump, which is involved in the sliding filament mechanism responsible for muscle contraction.

And during resistance training that ATP is generated via the creatine phosphate and glycolytic system. Hence why creatine monohydrate is a widely used and effective product. This is also why increasing muscle buffers, such as carnosine, can increase resistance performance. The ATP used by the cross bridges produced by aerobic metabolism is minimal in resistance training.

When large amounts of glucose are used in sustained anaerobic activity, lactic acid accumulates and is alleged to contribute to muscle soreness. The buildup of lactic acid increases muscle cell acidity (hence the burning feeling in muscle) and makes ATP production more difficult.

Lactic acid has absolutely nothing to do with muscle soreness. That "alleged" is an archaic hypothesis that has been disproven. As you stated earlier, the lactate is metabolized via the lactic oxygen debt.

The burning sensation you feel has nothing to do with the muscles, but more to do with the nerves. That burning sensation is due to hydrogen or free inorganic phosphate molecules impinging on nerves in the muscle tissue.

You are correct, however, that increased cellular acidity will reduce energy producion via glycolysis. But increased oxygen content during ventilation will do little to change it. Increasing intracellular and extracellular acid buffering will.

The complete breakdown of glucose to carbon dioxide and water requires two major steps: 1. glycolysis and 2. aerobic respiration. Glycolysis produces two ATP. Thirty-four more ATP are produced by aerobic pathways if oxygen is present. In the absence of oxygen, fermentation reactions produce alcohol or lactic acid but no additional ATP. The electron transport system is found in the mitochondrion and chloroplast of eucaryotes and in the plasma membrane of procaryotes. It consists of a series of carrier molecules which pass electrons from a high-energy compound to a final low-energy electron acceptor. Energy is released during these oxidation-reduction reactions to produce ATP. Oxygen
is the final electron acceptor. The low-energy electrons that emerge from the electron transport system are taken up by. The negatively charged oxygen molecules take up protons from the medium and form water. Without oxygen, cellular respiration could not occur because oxygen serves as the final electron acceptor in the electron support system. The electron transport system would therefore not be available. Under normal conditions, oxygen is transported by the hemoglobin in red blood cells. When the body is subjected to increased pressure, oxygen is also transported to body tissues by blood plasma.

Very true, if you are exercising aerobically, such as during distance running of cycling. Not sure why you underlined the final two sentences...the oxygen carrying capacity of the plasma is physiologically insignificant.


And, lets just for the sake of continuing this conversation assume that your O2 product could increase arterial oxygen saturation. Does this mean that the increased O2 will make it to the muscle cell mitochondria and be used?

Physiologically, several things need to occur for this to happen.

First, a larger gradient between blood and muscle must be present, and that requires an increased ABILITY to use O2 by the muscle cell. The only way that will happen is via aerobic training. Through aerobic training mitochondrial mass and mitochondrial enzyme density will increase. Without an increase in these, the extra O2 is useless.

Next, that O2 must actually get to the mitochondria to be used. This requires myoglobin (the muscle bound version of hemeglobin), an iron rich protein that carries the O2 across the muscle cell membrane and to the mitochondria. Again, the only way to increase this is via aerobic training.

To put it in an analogy... Extra O2 to improve performance in weight lifters would have about the same effect as giving a 120 pound sedentary female 300g of protein and thinking she will gain muscle.

Br
 
Now, if you want to test your claims.... I coach a bodybuilding team. We have 12 team members. Send me 12 bottles of O2 and 12 bottles of regular air that look and feel and appear just like your O2 product. Only you will know which are which...neither I nor the team will know whether they get air or O2. I will distribute them to the team prior to practice and have them use it per your instructions. And then we can see..........

Br
 
Mrsupps.com has Oxygen ... 95% pure portable Oxygen my friends and why the hell not give it a try?


95% isnt pure. Whats the breakdown of the other 5%? And what process is used to get 95% oxygen?

And I dont know about the rest of people here but I was told to never use wikipedia as a source. If you do, at least put what you took from the site in quotes "..."

Your also just throwing useless information out there that doesnt even involve how your product works, and doesnt support any of its claims. I previously stated hyperventilation can be corrected with a high FiO2 of continuous gas flow(to a degree). This is what is used in the hospital and if you want to use what football players use, it would also be a continuous source, not a one puff and your done kind of deal. You cannot compare a continuous source to a inhaler type device. There is too much to account for. Especially considering its going to take a few breaths to clear your anatomic deadspace of old gas and replace it with new gas to get up to a high alveolar oxygen %. You are misunderstanding the way the body functions.
 
Haha, I opened this page this morning before I went out because I was too tired to read the bossman's post after seeing how long it was. Didnt even see Zir Red's post pwning all the fallacies until after I just posted. Ive pretty much given up on this thread and maybe even hope in humanity. Good stuff =D
 
And you wouldn't ether why would you?? Read my post above and also we are having a christmass sale till the end of the month.. merryxmass
is the code and its 20% off till the end of the month.. THanks bro

Literacy is necessary for debate. The first post in this thread has suggested dosing. It says to use it before you work out. And if its useless to use pre workout (as you even stated) why would it say to use before you work out on your site? Invalid Link Removed
 
Literacy is necessary for debate. The first post in this thread has suggested dosing. It says to use it before you work out. And if its useless to use pre workout (as you even stated) why would it say to use before you work out on your site? Invalid Link Removed

I never said its completely useless before work outs kid... Just before your work outs understand that Literacy???
Perfect next!!!
 
Now, if you want to test your claims.... I coach a bodybuilding team. We have 12 team members. Send me 12 bottles of O2 and 12 bottles of regular air that look and feel and appear just like your O2 product. Only you will know which are which...neither I nor the team will know whether they get air or O2. I will distribute them to the team prior to practice and have them use it per your instructions. And then we can see..........

Br

That is a Awesome Idea I actually like that. I would have to Oder just air filled gains though 12 of them and this would take a bit. I can get it done if you are willing to work on it with me.. You would have to keep track of each person. Have to come up with a way for eather you or I to know who did get the crap and who did not. Than all of them post post too. . If there was no difference between the two than they would not have old people sucking off the **** all day long lmao. I got no damn problem with doing what I can to show people the **** does work ... I been Using it for everything from Hang overs to Work outs and I think I am way past placebo effect in my life lmao...

Your Idea although a great one would take more planing and I am not sure you can make it happen but if you can I am all for it. If you can 978 378 4266 Call me
 
This is an exercise physiology book gone horribly, horribly wrong. I don't even know where to start.



No. The muscles get a "pump" due to increased hydrostatic pressure in the blood vessels as a result of a greater cardiac output. This forces fluid out of the blood and into the interstitium (space between muscle cells), yielding the pump. If it was because the muscles filled with blood, then that blood would coagulate and there would be no delivery or removal of waste product.

Further, the vasodilation that occurs in working tissues is less due to a lack of oxygen, and more due to a negative feedback system: the presence of metabolites (CO2, H+, La, Adenosine) and epinephrine cause the vasodilation.



ATP is not produced aerobically during weight training unless you are doing sets of 100+ reps. The majority of energy producing during weight training is via the phosphate or anaerobic system. Oxygen in the ambient air does not play a significant role in energy production.



Yes, in distance running and cycling. Not resistance training.



Lovely figure. I challenge you to find me some evidence that the aerobic system is important for resistance training. If that was the case, then you would see a lot of emphasis placed upon improving the aerobic system via higher intensity endurance cardio in bodybuilders and strength athletes.



What does EPOC and recovery following exercise have to do with your hypothesis that a shot of oxygen during a training session will improve performance. If anything, we know that spending time in a HYPObaric (less O2) chamber improves recovery.



And during resistance training that ATP is generated via the creatine phosphate and glycolytic system. Hence why creatine monohydrate is a widely used and effective product. This is also why increasing muscle buffers, such as carnosine, can increase resistance performance. The ATP used by the cross bridges produced by aerobic metabolism is minimal in resistance training.



Lactic acid has absolutely nothing to do with muscle soreness. That "alleged" is an archaic hypothesis that has been disproven. As you stated earlier, the lactate is metabolized via the lactic oxygen debt.

The burning sensation you feel has nothing to do with the muscles, but more to do with the nerves. That burning sensation is due to hydrogen or free inorganic phosphate molecules impinging on nerves in the muscle tissue.

You are correct, however, that increased cellular acidity will reduce energy producion via glycolysis. But increased oxygen content during ventilation will do little to change it. Increasing intracellular and extracellular acid buffering will.



Very true, if you are exercising aerobically, such as during distance running of cycling. Not sure why you underlined the final two sentences...the oxygen carrying capacity of the plasma is physiologically insignificant.


And, lets just for the sake of continuing this conversation assume that your O2 product could increase arterial oxygen saturation. Does this mean that the increased O2 will make it to the muscle cell mitochondria and be used?

Physiologically, several things need to occur for this to happen.

First, a larger gradient between blood and muscle must be present, and that requires an increased ABILITY to use O2 by the muscle cell. The only way that will happen is via aerobic training. Through aerobic training mitochondrial mass and mitochondrial enzyme density will increase. Without an increase in these, the extra O2 is useless.

Next, that O2 must actually get to the mitochondria to be used. This requires myoglobin (the muscle bound version of hemeglobin), an iron rich protein that carries the O2 across the muscle cell membrane and to the mitochondria. Again, the only way to increase this is via aerobic training.

To put it in an analogy... Extra O2 to improve performance in weight lifters would have about the same effect as giving a 120 pound sedentary female 300g of protein and thinking she will gain muscle.

Br
Dude you blah blahhed up something huge sounded great and proved not a damn thing. Not once did you quote a single study. Not one time did you reference a damn thing to prove a word you said. Your a good talker and that is about it.. You asked questions that had nothing even to do with half the words you placed them under and its such a damn mess I cant even be bothered to deal with any of it lmao... WOW That is the greatest Fail I never wasted my time on of 2011. Thanks for coming.
 
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO **** I know what happen lmao.. Check out all the IBE's up in the sigs in here lmao.WOW Haterade was spwed up in this b*tch... I was woundering why so many retarded arguements got put forth. Why it was such a big fight lmao. Now I know.. Attack of the IBHATEN team bwahahahahahahaaa
 
OGM please keep coming back though .. You guys are awesome look how long we got this thread. If you guys keep it up we can have this thread on the top of the forums all 2012!! F*ck ya!!
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Dude you blah blahhed up something huge sounded great and proved not a damn thing. Not once did you quote a single study. Not one time did you reference a damn thing to prove a word you said. Your a good talker and that is about it.. You asked questions that had nothing even to do with half the words you placed them under and its such a damn mess I cant even be bothered to deal with any of it lmao... WOW That is the greatest Fail I never wasted my time on of 2011. Thanks for coming.

I agree with what zir said, it is accurate. just saying bro.
 
ZiR RED said:
No. The muscles get a "pump" due to increased hydrostatic pressure in the blood vessels as a result of a greater cardiac output. This forces fluid out of the blood and into the interstitium (space between muscle cells), yielding the pump. If it was because the muscles filled with blood, then that blood would coagulate and there would be no delivery or removal of waste product.

Further, the vasodilation that occurs in working tissues is less due to a lack of oxygen, and more due to a negative feedback system: the presence of metabolites (CO2, H+, La, Adenosine) and epinephrine cause the vasodilation.

ATP is not produced aerobically during weight training unless you are doing sets of 100+ reps. The majority of energy producing during weight training is via the phosphate or anaerobic system. Oxygen in the ambient air does not play a significant role in energy production.

Yes, in distance running and cycling. Not resistance training.

Lovely figure. I challenge you to find me some evidence that the aerobic system is important for resistance training. If that was the case, then you would see a lot of emphasis placed upon improving the aerobic system via higher intensity endurance cardio in bodybuilders and strength athletes.

What does EPOC and recovery following exercise have to do with your hypothesis that a shot of oxygen during a training session will improve performance. If anything, we know that spending time in a HYPObaric (less O2) chamber improves recovery.

And during resistance training that ATP is generated via the creatine phosphate and glycolytic system. Hence why creatine monohydrate is a widely used and effective product. This is also why increasing muscle buffers, such as carnosine, can increase resistance performance. The ATP used by the cross bridges produced by aerobic metabolism is minimal in resistance training.

Lactic acid has absolutely nothing to do with muscle soreness. That "alleged" is an archaic hypothesis that has been disproven. As you stated earlier, the lactate is metabolized via the lactic oxygen debt.

The burning sensation you feel has nothing to do with the muscles, but more to do with the nerves. That burning sensation is due to hydrogen or free inorganic phosphate molecules impinging on nerves in the muscle tissue.

You are correct, however, that increased cellular acidity will reduce energy producion via glycolysis. But increased oxygen content during ventilation will do little to change it. Increasing intracellular and extracellular acid buffering will.

Very true, if you are exercising aerobically, such as during distance running of cycling. Not sure why you underlined the final two sentences...the oxygen carrying capacity of the plasma is physiologically insignificant.

And, lets just for the sake of continuing this conversation assume that your O2 product could increase arterial oxygen saturation. Does this mean that the increased O2 will make it to the muscle cell mitochondria and be used?

Physiologically, several things need to occur for this to happen.

First, a larger gradient between blood and muscle must be present, and that requires an increased ABILITY to use O2 by the muscle cell. The only way that will happen is via aerobic training. Through aerobic training mitochondrial mass and mitochondrial enzyme density will increase. Without an increase in these, the extra O2 is useless.

Next, that O2 must actually get to the mitochondria to be used. This requires myoglobin (the muscle bound version of hemeglobin), an iron rich protein that carries the O2 across the muscle cell membrane and to the mitochondria. Again, the only way to increase this is via aerobic training.

To put it in an analogy... Extra O2 to improve performance in weight lifters would have about the same effect as giving a 120 pound sedentary female 300g of protein and thinking she will gain muscle.

Br

This Is an accurate mini assesment of the 3 energy systems and how the work, and by mini I mean very small part of it.
 
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO **** I know what happen lmao.. Check out all the IBE's up in the sigs in here lmao.WOW Haterade was spwed up in this b*tch... I was woundering why so many retarded arguements got put forth. Why it was such a big fight lmao. Now I know.. Attack of the IBHATEN team bwahahahahahahaaa

I hope this isnt the owner or anything close to it. This is just sad and a real bad look
 
Im the only IBE rep posting anything? It has nothing to do with that. Its the science behind the product.

And how can you say ZIR hasnt cited any studies when you havnt either? Seriously. You tried to plagerize from wikipedia... and the information was irrelevant to the claims made.
 
So No Going to the gym and taking a hit of pure oxygen before your very first set is not going to do a damn thing for you.

You wrote that yourself. And when i said i used oxygen before lifting you said there would be no reason for it to do anything. So you really need to get your story straight. I wasnt bashing NTBM, just this pyramid scheme/multilevel marketing product. But with the recent reactions ive completely lost faith in your company.
 
I hope this isnt the owner or anything close to it. This is just sad and a real bad look

I think it is. He is calling my arguements retarded? Wow. Hope you NEVER come into a hospital. If the facts ive put down are all made up then how the F**K do I know how to do my job? This guy clearly doesnt know how to do his job.
 
Dude you blah blahhed up something huge sounded great and proved not a damn thing. Not once did you quote a single study. Not one time did you reference a damn thing to prove a word you said. Your a good talker and that is about it.. You asked questions that had nothing even to do with half the words you placed them under and its such a damn mess I cant even be bothered to deal with any of it lmao... WOW That is the greatest Fail I never wasted my time on of 2011. Thanks for coming.

you didnt cite anything. and he is also just listing facts. you have a product to back up and instead you are just bashing intelligent forum members when you dont have enough knowledge on the subject yourself to argue the claims. the product you are selling is part of a multilevel marketing scheme. FACT. the product you are selling has no sources to argue any of the claims made. FACT. it would have been more respectable for you to just say "wait for the logs." i think the way you are acting is going to steer away a lot of future customers.
 
Dude you blah blahhed up something huge sounded great and proved not a damn thing. Not once did you quote a single study. Not one time did you reference a damn thing to prove a word you said. Your a good talker and that is about it.. You asked questions that had nothing even to do with half the words you placed them under and its such a damn mess I cant even be bothered to deal with any of it lmao... WOW That is the greatest Fail I never wasted my time on of 2011. Thanks for coming.

Citations from the exercise physiology text books I have amassed over the past 4 years working on my PhD in exercise physiology:

Brooks, G., Fahey, T., & Baldwin, K. (2005). Exercise Physiology: Human Bioenergetics (4th ed., pp. 131-139). E. Barrosse & N. Barret (Eds.). New York, NY: McGraw-Hill Inc.

Guyton, A., & Hall, J. (2006). Textbook of Medical Physiology (11th ed.). Saunders W B CO.

McArdle, W., Katch, I., & Katch, V. (2001). Exercise Physiology: Energy, Nutrition, and Human Performance (5th ed.). Lippincott Williams & Wilkins.

West, J. B. (2008). Respiratory Physiology (8th ed.). N. Duffy (Ed.). Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins.

MacIntosh, B., Gardiner, P., & McComas, A. (2006). Skeletal Muscle: Form and Function (2nd ed.). Champaign, IL: Human Kinetics Publishers.





Happy reading.

Br
 
Unfortunately he is.

He usually comes into a thread, Starts insulting people that disagree with him, People start questioning his credibility, Then he writes a two page long apology about how much he loves his 'fans' and supporters.
 
I thought it had been killed, but like its brother.......the fake HCG from walmart thread.....it has a funny way of not dying.
Well, Zir and tnubs had pretty much killed any legitimacy this product had with science presented in a professional adult manner.
....and then some apparently mentally challenged poster came in and made a fool of himself before being slapped around again.
It must be a proud feeling to be part of that awesome ntbm team.
Poor old Nate needs to come up with a new product- Needtogetafiveyeartoteachmetospell.
What an embarrassment.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I thought it had been killed, but like its brother.......the fake HCG from walmart thread.....it has a funny way of not dying.

You shut your mouth when you talk about my walmart hcg thread!!! Lol
 
I was walking in walmart the other day and walked past the hcg weight loss pills and thought of that thread lmao
 
See what I've done, I have changed your lives forever!
 
bigdavid said:
I was walking in walmart the other day and walked past the hcg weight loss pills and thought of that thread lmao

Haha same here I lol'ed and my wife looked at me funny I had to explain what was funny.
 
tnubs my area of knowledge and interest lies far from anything of this nature... but i thought excessive CO2 repulsion prevents transport of oxygen and other molecules important for the CNS

and it is known that inhaling higher concentrations of oxygen decreases hyperventilation (or excessive CO2 repulsion)

and if anything at all, this product should help restore blood PH which rises from excessive loss of CO2 which i thought was a very good thing.. but to what degree, who knows

what am i missing here in regards to what i stated??? i'm under the impression that the concept behind the product is sound...
 
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Chemoreceptors in the hypothalamus and carotid artery sense the amount of CO2 in the blood and play a role in our rate and depth of respiration. During exercise, excess CO2 is generated, and that is why we breath faster. In most cases, it is a negative feedback loop of increased CO2 = faster breathing, not decreased O2.

And, during exercise removing CO2 from the blood is a very good thing. Excess CO2 in the blood quickly results in a reduction in blood pH. In fact, reduced blood pH is a marker of metabolism during exercise, and has spawned a lot of research into INCREASING blood pH via supplementation to improve CO2 buffering.

Br
 
while I believe the only way to settle this thing is to see some logs on it. though it would be nice if we had a few pilots to test this out as well.

I'll offer this read before.

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Dr. Harch from LSU is heading a study to better understand why Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) has helped so many that have experienced brain trauma. Invalid Link Removed Working with the Air Force Dr. Harch will conduct a study that examines oxygen’s effects on PTSD and brain trauma. Current benefits recognized and treated with oxygen include the following:

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Dr. Harch has witnessed first hand the benefits HBOT has had on his patients. The medical industry and the military recognize oxygen benefits for many years and for many purposes. Athletes are now using this magical gas during exercise and reporting new personal records. Athletes are not waiting for all the studies to come back. However, the studies that are coming back are coming back positive though some things remain a mystery.

Trials with glutamine and arginine have shown an uptake in oxygen absorptions on pulmonary resuscitation in hyperoxic conditions. Invalid Link Removed A similar study in Germany concluded the same; that glutamine elevates oxygen absorption. Regardless a few studies have determined that there were not lowered lactic acid. What has been seen is tolerance increases with faster recoveries. With the convenient can don’t be surprised it this is not a common staple. Canned oxygen makes it all logistical.




 
tnubs my area of knowledge and interest lies far from anything of this nature... but i thought excessive CO2 repulsion prevents transport of oxygen and other molecules important for the CNS

and it is known that inhaling higher concentrations of oxygen decreases hyperventilation (or excessive CO2 repulsion)

and if anything at all, this product should help restore blood PH which rises from excessive loss of CO2 which i thought was a very good thing.. but to what degree, who knows

what am i missing here in regards to what i stated??? i'm under the impression that the concept behind the product is sound...

I answered this in one of my other responses. U need a continuous flow. A few puffs will literally do nothing. Not only that but the way the body is designed, we have deadspaces that sent used for ventilation. If u took one puff, u would just be wasting oxygen sitting in the deadspace. It takes a few breaths to wash out the old air.
 
Mich, with higher FiO2 combined with hyperbarics u are literally dissolving more oxygen into the blood. U can even grow new blood capillaries with hyperbarics. Awesome stuff but completely different method and not related to this 02 inhaler
 
Chemoreceptors in the hypothalamus and carotid artery sense the amount of CO2 in the blood and play a role in our rate and depth of respiration. During exercise, excess CO2 is generated, and that is why we breath faster. In most cases, it is a negative feedback loop of increased CO2 = faster breathing, not decreased O2.

that makes sense, but the summary of this study suggests that inhaling higher concentrations of oxygen reduce hyperventilation from heavy work and increase arterial phosphate above it's threshold for chemoreceptors Invalid Link Removed
Breathing 33 per cent oxygen diminished the hyperventilation of heavy work and increased arterial PO2 to 183mmHg... value is well above the reported threshold PO2 for the chemoreceptors.

Breathing of 100 per cent oxygen further decreased hyperventilation and increased arterial PO2 to 663 mmHg


it is possible to explain the part of heavy exercise hyperventilation which can be eliminated by increasing the arterial PO2 up to the thresh hold of the PO2 chemoreceptors

And, during exercise removing CO2 from the blood is a very good thing. Excess CO2in the blood quickly results in a reduction in blood pH. In fact, reduced blood pH is a marker of metabolism during exercise, and has spawned a lot of research into INCREASING blood pH via supplementation to improve CO2 buffering.


one of us is mistaken here. i thought removal of CO2 from the blood during exercise is not a good thing as indicated by this study Invalid Link Removed



hyperventilation lowers the arterial carbon dioxide tension and blunts the increase in cerebral blood flow, which can lead to an inadequate oxygen delivery to the brain and contribute to the development of fatigue

lowering amount of CO2 output seems like a good thing and the 1st study suggests it can be done by using oxygen at higher concentrations... thoughts? btw i realize this post is all f*cked up i cant seem to fix it, i suggest not quoting it lol









 
I answered this in one of my other responses. U need a continuous flow. A few puffs will literally do nothing. Not only that but the way the body is designed, we have deadspaces that sent used for ventilation. If u took one puff, u would just be wasting oxygen sitting in the deadspace. It takes a few breaths to wash out the old air.

ok, i had mistakenly thought you were completely against the concept of higher concentrations of oxygen use as a supplement

i tried accessing the first study i posted through my uni but they dont have it... it would be interesting to see how the subjects were using the 33-100% oxygen and in what duration during their heavy work
 
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