As already stated, take OEP daily for the period of your cycle.started my OEP,
would you recommend a 6 days on 1 off protocol, or 5 on 2 off? or just straight daily?...
How about for people in the military who get tested for drugs randomly. Just curious to see what everyone thinks about geranium showing up as an amphetamine on the drug test.
Ive heard yes and ive heard no.
Thanks guys
How about for people in the military who get tested for drugs randomly. Just curious to see what everyone thinks about geranium showing up as an amphetamine on the drug test.
Ive heard yes and ive heard no.
Thanks guys
How about for people in the military who get tested for drugs randomly. Just curious to see what everyone thinks about geranium showing up as an amphetamine on the drug test.
Ive heard yes and ive heard no.
Thanks guys
I have a question regarding the Rauwolscine (also known as Alpha-Yohimbine) in OEP.
I've always heard that taking yohimbine anywhere near carbohydrates (or anything the stimulates insulin elevation) completely blunts it's effects. Is the same true for Rauwolscine as well?
Wow a little harsh are we? Sorry i didnt see the links and read them first. I guess im "to lazy?". Ive been home on leave and very busy and havnt been frequenting the boards as much as i like as i have a newborn that ive been blessed with. Anyways..
I would dose oep and lift fasted and eat directly after.The dosing / meal plan that came with OEP assumes one is a PM trainer. For an AM trainer, would having breakfast (pre-workout meal), taking 2 OEP one hour after breakfast, then working out ~30 minutes after that be the best method? Given the above post about carbs and OEP, would having most of your carbs for the day in the breakfast meal then taking OEP one hour later reduce the product's effectiveness?
I would dose oep and lift fasted and eat directly after.
Either that or take oep and have breakfast 30 mins later and then train
The guy a few posts above said you needed to wait at least an hour to eat a carb meal after OEP. We need some USP people in here to address this.
Why isn't yohimbe listed as an ingredient ?
It IS in there.
Yohimbe gives me(and many other's) a terrible cracked out,non functionable buzz that is unmistakeable and most certainly unhealthy!
I will contacting USP for a refund or exchange for Recreate maybe.
I would hope they stand up and honor my request.
Now I rarely post in any forum so if you don't believe me that's cool and I understand,
.......but I wanted anybody who does not tolerate yohimbe to know that it is in there.
You would think a supplement maker would be responsible enough to list an ingredient that some buyers cannot tolerate.
In case your too lazy to read links, NO! Your good.
they did list the appropiate ingredient, and this isnt regular yohimbine so if they put down yohimbine it will be deceiving anyways since its not traditional yohimbine.
also, this doesnt give you the same side effect either, but i wont be the one to tell you to try it.
I have been taking OEP for 18 days, I have been taking 2 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. I have lost an ample amount of fat and love the feeling I get from this product. My question is, can I stay at my current dose and use Recreate? At what dose would you recommend for Recreate? Thanks for your help.
Can't comment on what it is or isn't doing for fatloss because I've been kicking some major ass with my SHIIT routine (Super High Intensity Interval Training). LOL! I have noticed some sides, though:
The first time I took 2, I felt over-stimmed in a most unpleasant way. Backed down to one until I stopped feeling anything (about a week) then back up to 2 the next week. I get REALLY sleepy now after dosing. This is a problem. I've, only recently, started ingesting caffeine after laying off for a couple years. It does nothing for the sleepiness.
And
What component of this product is making my "fruit basket" aka the "twig and berries" retreat inside my body? Adrenaline? This never happens to me so it was a shock to notice, pre-shower. Really, really shocking. I'm not sure but I might be experiencing a small ache in one of my testicles, as well. Will monitor this closely.
your dosing isn't bad.stacking oep recreate AP Prime... i do morning cardio before breakfast then i normally workout after meal2 then do some more cardio after weights.. when would it be best to have carbs meal 1 or 2? i tried wating till after meal 3(oep pamphlet diet) but i dont like sitting around doing nothing all day, waiting to hit the gym.
My dosing:morning pre cardio 2 oep, 2 prime w breakfast
:noon 1 recreate
12:30 AP meal2
330 meal 3 2 prime
445 1 oep 1 recreate 1 scoop jacked before weights
after weights AP eat meal4 2 prime
any suggestions? thanks-
yea thats kind of what i was thinking of doing. I wanted to follow the OEP diet that came with the stuff, but modify it a little so i can still drop a lot of fat and retain all my muscle. It recomends no carbs in meal 1 to keep the fat burning from cardio going, and no carbs at preworkout meal(1 1/2 hrs before weights)so u can burn more fat hitting the weights. i wanted to follow this but was scared of going to low, last time i did go real low carb i lost alot of strength/muscle.
thanks for the quick reply!!
Can't comment on what it is or isn't doing for fatloss because I've been kicking some major ass with my SHIIT routine (Super High Intensity Interval Training). LOL! I have noticed some sides, though:
The first time I took 2, I felt over-stimmed in a most unpleasant way. Backed down to one until I stopped feeling anything (about a week) then back up to 2 the next week. I get REALLY sleepy now after dosing. This is a problem. I've, only recently, started ingesting caffeine after laying off for a couple years. It does nothing for the sleepiness.
And
What component of this product is making my "fruit basket" aka the "twig and berries" retreat inside my body? Adrenaline? This never happens to me so it was a shock to notice, pre-shower. Really, really shocking. I'm not sure but I might be experiencing a small ache in one of my testicles, as well. Will monitor this closely.
Maybe I wasn't clear...I did try it .Twice, both times with the reaction that is unmistakeable as a yohimbe reaction. Again I'm not trying to be a **** as I realize I am in the minority....but for people who react this way to yohimbe it is a terrible feeling and most of us scrutinize ingredients very closely to avoid it.
I have been taking OEP for 18 days, I have been taking 2 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. I have lost an ample amount of fat and love the feeling I get from this product. My question is, can I stay at my current dose and use Recreate? At what dose would you recommend for Recreate? Thanks for your help.
I have been doing the following in an effort to cut (this is following the OEP diet plan as close as I can with my schedule).
4:15 - wake for 20 minutes fasted cardio HIIT method with jump rope and elliptical
7:00 - 2 OEP (had been doing 1 until today)
8:00 - 40 grams Protein and an orange (LOVE ME SOME MYOFUSION) fish oil and a multi (whole foods on weekend when I can cook breakfast)
12:30 - Carb meal with veggies (whole foods)
3:00 - 1 Recreate
4:30 - 25 gram protein fish oil
5:30 - work out and cardio
6:30 - 7:00 - Whole food protein meal with a salad and fruit fish oil multi
9:00 - 2 PowerFULL (until the Bottle runs out, at that point ZMA will replace)
So far so good. LOVE the OEP!
I would dose the OxyElite prior to your am training if possible... Then, you can dose 1 OEP, 1 Recreate prior to your pm training as long as it does not effect your sleep. If it does, feel free to drop PM OEP and just run 1-2 Recreate prior to your 5:30 training.
How quickly does it get into they system... With only 20 minutes of fasted cardio, I figured it a waste to dose and then train immediatly... Please correct me if I am wrong.
I take 1 scoop of Jack3d for prework out and do not want to take it with the OEP... I tried it with the OEP and it keeps me awake. Thus the move to Recreate in the PM. Heaven knows I need my beauty sleep!!!!
Boro did you get my PM? It was of my OEP, PRIME,AP, 1-c, and other goodies for a cut. was hoping to get a bit of fine tuning. Should I just post it here?
How quickly does it get into they system... With only 20 minutes of fasted cardio, I figured it a waste to dose and then train immediatly... Please correct me if I am wrong.
I take 1 scoop of Jack3d for prework out and do not want to take it with the OEP... I tried it with the OEP and it keeps me awake. Thus the move to Recreate in the PM. Heaven knows I need my beauty sleep!!!!
I got it. I am sifting through my back PMs and answering in the order I received. sorry for any delay buddy
I would dose it prior 30-45 mins prior, this is when I really start to feel it. It is not a waste at all. I often set my alarm for 45mins prior to waking, take 1 OEP and go back to bed, it wakes me up and I am ready to rock...
Perfect on the PM dosing... EXACTLY why we have both products...
Personally, I have seen excellent results running OxyElite Pro for 4 weeks, then moving to Recreate for four weeks....stacked with Prime and AP.
There is some MAJOR synergy between Prime and OxyElite in my opinion - my OEP+Prime workouts have been redic... Hit a squat PR last night at 12lbs lighter than last time...
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The first time I took 2, I felt over-stimmed in a most unpleasant way. Backed down to one until I stopped feeling anything (about a week) then back up to 2 the next week. I get REALLY sleepy now after dosing. This is a problem. I've, only recently, started ingesting caffeine after laying off for a couple years. It does nothing for the sleepiness.
Can't comment on what it is or isn't doing for fatloss because I've been kicking some major ass with my SHIIT routine (Super High Intensity Interval Training). LOL! I have noticed some sides, though:
The first time I took 2, I felt over-stimmed in a most unpleasant way. Backed down to one until I stopped feeling anything (about a week) then back up to 2 the next week. I get REALLY sleepy now after dosing. This is a problem. I've, only recently, started ingesting caffeine after laying off for a couple years. It does nothing for the sleepiness.
And
What component of this product is making my "fruit basket" aka the "twig and berries" retreat inside my body? Adrenaline? This never happens to me so it was a shock to notice, pre-shower. Really, really shocking. I'm not sure but I might be experiencing a small ache in one of my testicles, as well. Will monitor this closely.
So, I'm guessing that an increase in dopamine is a good thing? Thanks for the the info. Maybe I'll grow out of the sleepiness. I'll let you know if anything changes.
Took two upon waking, got dressed and mady my way down stairs for fasted cardio (only about 15 minutes to get the crap out of the system and give the metabolism a kick in the butt)... Only about 5 minutes between dosing and running on the Ellip. AWESOME!!!!! It is now 3 hours later and still riding the high! Diet and OEP / Recreate doing thier thing very well. I have dropped 5 pounds in 5 days with a very clean diet and hard work morning / night.
Abs that I have worked so hard for are starting to show through. Very pleased with the product.
brother, give up the elliptical. It doesnt do fk all for anything. You'd do better jerking off for 20mins. I strongly recommend HIIT - join the ladies in the aerobics classes. You will get shredded and might get some tailpipe.
Thanks me later :thumbsup:
Oh yeah, and OEP is the shizzzz :006:
Yes the Eliptical is killer for HITT you just adjust the tension and speed. I have used to to get into competition shape so I am a believer. The only machine I have used that's any better is the Precor cross trainer, which is very similar. That thing just tears you apart.