Ostarine doesn't look good

[classic27]

In theory ostarine looks great

In just about every lab posed ostarine suppresses, increases estrogen, increases liver enzymes, and many people have reported gyno.

So why is better than aas? It's supposed to give you mild results without suppression and other side effects. That would be great, but it is causeing all the same side effects as aas but still just giving mild results.

It's seems you would be better off with mild anabolics like anavar, tbol, hdrol, or epi. Or just injecting something like eq or primo.

 

[sanmarino]

It's very important to buy "clean" Ostarine for research purposes. Avoid sellers which also produce PH ("accidentally" mixing). But I agree with you, under research conditions Ostarine looks very interesting in theory. In bodybuilding circles we use more than the 2x of the tested amount (in the next time 18mg/ed will be tested on women for six months).

In my case I had the same (side) effects like in the studies: decreased (not shutdown) sexual hormones (also estradiol), slightly increased liver enzymes (don't forget, it's a medical drug and not a supplement) and slightly increased cholesterol (but within the range). I don't understate or fake my experience. I am also sometimes astonished about the blood work results I sometimes see...

SARM are more or less AAS 2.0. The research companies are still searching for drugs with a optimal effects and side effect ratio for the patients. The main aim is to increase the quality of life. For example to use testosterone as a 50 year old muscle wasting patient won't be the safest way. In his case the testosterone will trigger a lot of more side effects (in comparison to a younger patient).

The main difference between AAS and SARM are the selective effects of SARM. They will act "on the right place" without affecting further processes in our body - which shouldn't be affected anyway.

In my opinion Ostarine is at the moment the only SARM which is (more or less) studied enough. If you want to use it, go ahead. BUT a lot of users fade out the link from Ostarine with the chemical derivative funcion from Bicalutamid. I can't honestly not understand why on english and american boards this is not a important (probably the most important topic) in connection with SARM.

PH are in my opinion pure bunk - they ARE in fact full AAS. It makes absolutely no sense to use e.g. M1T over two weeks. Who the hell builds muscles up in two weeks? It's a process that needs time.
Classical oral and injectable AAS are well studied and everyone knows what will happen with the intake of them. With SARM it's gambling at the moment - especially with LGD (phase II) and S4 (all further studies cancelled, ad acta).

 

[classic27]

Thanks for your response. I actually recently tried ostarine. I have not talked about my own experience much because my training and diet were not on par due to life situations and my blood test have not come in yet.

I ran Olympus labs at 5mg, 10mg, 15mg, and 20mg.

I know what shut down feels like and I was very shut down. Also sleep was awful. Over results were similiar to low dose hdrol standalone, but not as dry and polished looking.

I'm excited to see what labs will show. In my opinion ostarine isn't the best options because there are better options out there right now. I do have more on hand so I will probably do another run with TRT dosed test, Adex, better training, and more strict diet.

 

[sanmarino]

You are welcome.

As said, buy research chemicals only at companies with research chemical only production. I say this with a senseful meaning...

If you can't get "proper" Ostarine then a AAS would be a better option. And nobody can say what we consume. There is no reference substance because the original Enobosarm in the studies is not official and therefore in no analysis database (I know what I'm saying I tried to analyse my products but it's senseless with a missing reference substance).

 

[classic27]

I'm surprised my threads don't generate more attention and discussion. Maybe when I post labs people will discuss. I enjoy people questioning things and using science and reason to help us all understand interesting topics.

 

[classic27]

That make sense. I'm sure most ostarine substances on the market are not the original Enobosarm.

 

[Swolljaboi]

I personally have run 3 different Osta products. None of them produced gains anywhere near PH or AAS. The sides have also been very mild compared to anabolics that I've used. Blood pressure much lower, suppression evident but no lethargy or libido loss or other indicators of shutdown.

As far as the statement about PH being bunk...who the hell runs any PH for two weeks? Most runs are 4-6 weeks with some crazy people running them up to 8. I have personally put on 15lbs in a month while maintaining a good diet and lost 1% body fat at the same time. PH are not bunk.

This all being said, I don't think Osta is all that great for building muscle. I have made more gains naturally than even during an 8 week Osta cycle. I believe Osta really shines while cutting. It really helps prevent muscle loss while dieting.

 

[T-Bone]

I personally have run 3 different Osta products. None of them produced gains anywhere near PH or AAS. The sides have also been very mild compared to anabolics that I've used. Blood pressure much lower, suppression evident but no lethargy or libido loss or other indicators of shutdown.

As far as the statement about PH being bunk...who the hell runs any PH for two weeks? Most runs are 4-6 weeks with some crazy people running them up to 8. I have personally put on 15lbs in a month while maintaining a good diet and lost 1% body fat at the same time. PH are not bunk.

This all being said, I don't think Osta is all that great for building muscle. I have made more gains naturally than even during an 8 week Osta cycle. I believe Osta really shines while cutting. It really helps prevent muscle loss while dieting.

You may not have been around but several years back people used to run M1T for 2 weeks. People have and also run certain ph/ds for up to 12 weeks at a time. For some reason people are now running Osta at larger doses for shorter cycles. When it was first released people used Ostarine at 10-20 mg for 12 weeks cycles. There really is no need to go over 20mg or to go shorter than 12 weeks. An Ostarine cycle is 12 weeks, it just is and it works better long term like that. The shorter the cycle, the less chance of keeping your gains long term. Lower doses and longer cycles makes more sense to me.

 

[sanmarino]

Very well said, T-Bone. Nothing to add.

 

[Swolljaboi]

You may not have been around but several years back people used to run M1T for 2 weeks. People have and also run certain ph/ds for up to 12 weeks at a time. For some reason people are now running Osta at larger doses for shorter cycles. When it was first released people used Ostarine at 10-20 mg for 12 weeks cycles. There really is no need to go over 20mg or to go shorter than 12 weeks. An Ostarine cycle is 12 weeks, it just is and it works better long term like that. The shorter the cycle, the less chance of keeping your gains long term. Lower doses and longer cycles makes more sense to me.

I haven't heard of any oral cycles lasting 12 weeks. I don't think I could handle the sides for that long.

 

[707kid]

I think because its "legal". Same reason so many people run PH instead of juice. If everything were equal Im sure more people would juice before using osta.

 

[T-Bone]

I haven't heard of any oral cycles lasting 12 weeks. I don't think I could handle the sides for that long.

It really depends on dosages and the specific compound. Also I said "certain ph/ds" so I wasn't specifically stating oral cycles. However, their are some mild oral products that can be run for that long.

 

[classic27]

Bump

 

[medinacirilo]

I think because its "legal". Same reason so many people run PH instead of juice. If everything were equal Im sure more people would juice before using osta.

This right here.

 

[zconners]

Check this out anyone used this osta

 

[DWeaver]

I've ran research Ostra and 2 different types of OTC Ostra and the results where the same. This last time I ran OL Ostra for 16 weeks at 20mg. The first 8 I did a recomp with Myokim Mag and the second 8 did a cut with Ostra and OL Dermafury. The last 4 weeks I added Transform and I'm running it an additional 6 weeks tapering down as my PCT. Starting weight was 168 and my goal was to at the end of the run keep as much weight as possible but lose as much BF as I could. After 8 weeks I was up to 170 and maybe lost 1% BF. At the end of 16 weeks I was at 164 and lost around 3-4% BF. I love Ostra, I think it's great for a cut but like T said its best to run at lest 12 weeks.

 

[flamini]

Check this out anyone used this osta <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116514"/> <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116515"/> <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116516"/>

Yes I took two pills and it shut me down. Sounds crazy but it's true. I wanted to figure out if I could take something besides TEST to keep my libido up. more DAA or hpta booster. But I don't think any of it will work or be worth it . Product seems clean but it's in don't like that it comes in 20 mg caps

 

[Joedoubledose]

I've used that osta by Chem tek , I personally got suppresses ion even only going 4 weeks , however I did see a great strength increases on all my lifts by 10 pounds minimum ,

 

[classic27]

I got results back from osta

Low total test
Low Lh and fsh
Normal free test
Low shbg
Normal estrogen and prolactin
Low hdl and high ldl

 

[Joedoubledose]

I'd rather run Lgd and reap those benefits and be suppressed then be suppressed from osta and make half the gains when both effect you in a sense the same when it comes to Sarms and the hpta

 

[Joedoubledose]

Speaking of LGD will be my next cycle which I will log

 

[zconners]

Speaking of LGD will be my next cycle which I will log

Yeah I'm taking osta my brother is taking Lgd easier to does and better benefits he hasn't lost his libdo I hVe from osta so

 

[GreenMachineX]

For the record, I used ostarine for 12 weeks at 30mg with great success and all normal lab results (except testosterone which was already low to begin with). Saw great progress once it kicked in as well.

 

[classic27]

It for sure works. My labs and results were both similiar to 50mg hdrol.

 

[Kickstart7]

I will also log an LGD run here soon. Sounds like osta might have really good healing benefits but LGD sounds like the sledgehammer of SARMS in terms of muscle building. The studies on LGD were really interesting.

 

[zconners]

Yeah LGD sounds safer too

 

[GreenMachineX]

I will also log an LGD run here soon. Sounds like osta might have really good healing benefits but LGD sounds like the sledgehammer of SARMS in terms of muscle building. The studies on LGD were really interesting.

I've been strongly debating an LGD cycle after my epiandro run, but I'm still a little concerned about the possibility of long term problems (cancer? I don't know) that we just haven't seen yet in those that have used it. It's only in phase 1 clinical trials still right?

 

[Kickstart7]

I've been strongly debating an LGD cycle after my epiandro run, but I'm still a little concerned about the possibility of long term problems (cancer? I don't know) that we just haven't seen yet in those that have used it. It's only in phase 1 clinical trials still right?

you may be thinking of GW? I haven't heard of cancer related problems with LGD

 

[a.mocellim]

Why not start to treat SARMs as we treat PHs? I think we can even stack Ostarine and LGD but we need to treat the whole cycle as an regular anabolic cycle. So we need some kind of liver protection, some kind of blood pressure prevention, the exactly same protectors we use to run alongside PHs. The same is for PCT, we can stack SARMs for more gains, but we need a real PCT like any other hormonal things we use to cycle. SARMs are anabolic drugs, in a different way, but still being anabolic drugs.

 

[Kickstart7]

Why not start to think SARMs as we think about PHs? I think we can even stack Ostarine and LGD but we need to treat the whole cycle as an regular anabolic cycle. So we need some kind of liver protection, some kind of blood pressure prevention, the exactly same protectors we use to run alongside PHs. The same is for PCT, we can stack SARMs for more gains, but we need a real PCT like any other hormonal things we use to cycle. SARMs are anabolic drugs, in a different way, but still being anabolic drugs.

I do think of them the same, with the fact that they are not as potent, will not hurt my liver and other organs as drastically if at all, and will probably not shut me down to the degree of a good PH.

 

[GreenMachineX]

you may be thinking of GW? I haven't heard of cancer related problems with LGD

I meant because it's so new, we don't know the long term health risks, do we? How far did GW go before someone figured out it could potentially cause cancer? I'm honestly asking, because all I know is it's only been through phase 1 clinical trials and so far all we have seen it suppresses the hpta, but that doesn't mean it's not doing more damage that we aren't seeing, does it? These are just my concerns, if someone can put them out, that'd be cool too.

 

[classic27]

Simply put but one of the smartest things i have read regarding Sarms.

 

[Kickstart7]

I meant because it's so new, we don't know the long term health risks, do we? How far did GW go before someone figured out it could potentially cause cancer? I'm honestly asking, because all I know is it's only been through phase 1 clinical trials and so far all we have seen it suppresses the hpta, but that doesn't mean it's not doing more damage that we aren't seeing, does it? These are just my concerns, if someone can put them out, that'd be cool too.

oh I gotcha. I'll try to dig into it by like u said, not much information. I guess we'll have to take our chances as we do with most everything.

 

[DWeaver]

Yeah I'm taking osta my brother is taking Lgd easier to does and better benefits he hasn't lost his libdo I hVe from osta so

How is LGD easier than taking 4, 5 mg pils first thing in the morning?

 

[zconners]

How is LGD easier than taking 4, 5 mg pils first thing in the morning?

I meant dose and FYI one pill is 20mg of ostarine the osta I'm taking atleast is. So instead of trying to evenly stretch it out I have to take it at one dose. My brother has Lgd at 5mg each pill so easier

 

[DWeaver]

I meant dose and FYI one pill is 20mg of ostarine the osta I'm taking atleast is. So instead of trying to evenly stretch it out I have to take it at one dose. My brother has Lgd at 5mg each pill so easier

Half life is 24 hours on Ostra, why would you take it throughout the day? OL Ostra is 5mg.

 

[zconners]

Half life is 24 hours on Ostra, why would you take it throughout the day? OL Ostra is 5mg.

I'm not taking ol ostra lol!! I'm taking chemteks ostra one pill is 20mg

 

[DWeaver]

I'm not taking ol ostra lol!! I'm taking chemteks ostra one pill is 20mg <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116716"/>

Good grief... Ok

 

[Volvo140G]

Find out for yourself - there's free Osta being given away from Nutriverse in the company promo section!

 

[Larus]

Just "joined" this forum, I may as well start contributing to a topic I feel I can add. A bit about myself: 39, 78kg, 6.2 and do mostly crossfit but also add quite a few "decoration" days as I call my old style body building sessions. Never done any steroids or in fact taken anything "serious" up until two and half months ago. I had to go through a small surgery (hernia) and that kept me off training for over a month. Was very annoyed and wanted to get back to where I was quick, so started to look at "stuff" and just happened that ...lets say I heard about ostarine. I'm on my 6th weeks and will continue to run it for another two weeks. I started at 5mg /day, progressively increasing the dose to 15mg/day, which is where I am now. I'll do some blood test in two weeks and will share but so far I feel pretty good. I lift now quite more than what I was lifting before surgery, which in itself is quite impressive in 6 weeks of training after 4 weeks off (just did some very light machines and cycling but ZERO free weights during that time off) . I'm not sure what suppression feels like but I havent noticed any difference whatsoever from before whether in terms of libido or energy. So no less and no more, just life is as normal but I train better and I feel stronger. I also gained about three/four pounds from before surgery. In terms of cut, I've always been pretty cut so no much difference but perhaps muscle do look fuller. So basically no side effects so far and I hope it stays like that.

 

[mase1]

My experience has always been "unique" with ostarine, feel great, libido great, vascular, faster progression. Buy only run it 10mg-15mg. Who knows?

 

[Smb405]

Hi. I am currently using "Osterine" from Bio-Gen Innovations. I believe this product is the new Chem-Tek label. Very difficult to find any info on it online, so far. I purchased it locally. It has the exact ingredient profile/chemical formula as the Chem-Tek (missing the 2-hydroxy...not sure how it affects the product?) Mine also has DAA & Laxogenin (same as Osta-Plexx by Genentech Labs who also made Chem-Teks products) My Osterine is 20mg per capsule & the label suggests 3 capsules per day in divided doses. Seems really high to me but I will say that I saw big strength increases & big time healing in my bad shoulder within 2-3 weeks. Saw some decent improvements in the mirror too...mainly arms/chest & little less belly fat. 1st time using a SARM (never used AAS). I don't feel / notice any suppression but that doesn't mean I'm not. I'm on week 6 & plan to stop when week 6 is completed. Using an OTC PCT...hoping that's all I'll need. My workouts have been 2nd to my job the last week & a half so I figure might be time to give Ostarine a break for awhile & just continue working out as often as I can. What did you think of the Chem-Tek product?

 

[The_Old_Guy]

You're insane. 60mg of Ostarine for 6 weeks, and you're going to use an OTC "PCT"? I hope that stuff is fake - for your sake.

25mg for 8 weeks can drop Total T into the LOW 100's.

This is why sh&t gets banned. Let me guess: You aren't doing post "PCT" blood-work?

 

[Smb405]

I'll be doing blood work as I'm timing it with an upcoming physical. I get blood work done regularly (though not for test). My main thought is with the chemical formula for Ostarine being altered in the product I am taking, is that it is some sort of derivative of Ostarine that converts to the actual drug after it is ingested? After all, isn't it illegal to sell actual Ostarine now? I purchased it at a nutrition warehouse, who also happens to be a customer of mine (I'm in the natural products industry & sell nutrition & body care...but nothing like SARMS) I'm hoping that I'm not really getting 60 mg/day & that it is breaking down into smaller components & somehow equals 20-25 mg/day....I've also read that capsules are only about 30% bioavailable...but I'm no chemist. Have you heard of "Bio-Gen Innovations" or it's predecessor "Chem-Tek?" Like I said the nutrition label of this product is identical to "Osta-Plexx" which can be found on the web. What do you suggest I PCT with? The product I had planned to use is Finaflex Revolution PCT.

 

[Joedoubledose]

Chem tek was the first product I ever used and let me tell you if I could go back I'd punch the salesman who sold it too me right in the face , luckily I was smart enough to do research and stuck to 20mgs back then . It was crap and I believe it was a low dose oh as it took almost 3 weeks to kick in . Please be smart and get some clomid it's not hard .

 

[Smb405]

I did all of the research as well but also read that capsule form wasn't very bioavailable...plus the product doesn't show the complete formula for Ostarine on the label, unlike other brands that do & only suggest 1 / 25 mg capsule per day.

 

[Joedoubledose]

I did all of the research as well but also read that capsule form wasn't very bioavailable...plus the product doesn't show the complete formula for Ostarine on the label, unlike other brands that do & only suggest 1 / 25 mg capsule per day.

There's no difference in bioavailability in capsules vs liquid that's some bull you read on evo forums .

 

[ericool007]

15 mgs osta seems to be sweet spot for sides vs gains but honestly
i ran it up to 30 mgs before ith no extra gains and just felt more shut down
it really doesnt impress me a lot i have 1 bottle of olympus labs im trying to sell id rather just use x-gels for the instant body comp changes that gives me.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

For me, it was AWESOME in keeping (I actually gained) strength in a -1000kcal deficit. Individual Mileages May Vary.

 

[sanmarino]

There's no difference in bioavailability in capsules vs liquid that's some bull you read on evo forums .

Theoretically, a transport fluid system like DMSO can increase the bioavailabilty by some percentage. But not from 70% to 100%, of course