OraTropin cycle log

the anapolack said:
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anyways someone please answer.......can i do oratropin with injectable lr3?
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Yes you can, but it is the same as doing 2 shots of IGF, or 2 doses of Oratropin. It is redundant.
 
lozgod said:
Yes you can, but it is the same as doing 2 shots of IGF, or 2 doses of Oratropin. It is redundant.
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but as i said....i work out during my lunch hour and would get in trouble having syringes and **** or even bringing this **** in aa workplace...........so much easier to pop a pill post workout
 
the anapolack said:
but as i said....i work out during my lunch hour and would get in trouble having syringes and **** or even bringing this **** in aa workplace...........so much easier to pop a pill post workout
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Oratropin is in an oral syringe.
 
Lowki said:
I was gonna say something sarcastic and witty but I'm tired so "yeah".
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IBE, I edited the word on Avant. I am not sure what you are referring to on this particular thread. If you could clarify for me which post it is stated on I will evaluate it and likely edit that out at well.
 
ok....oral syringe or whatever i can pass it off as supplement or cold medicine........i cant pin myself at work bottom line

so can someone answer.......can it be taken with injectable lr3 or not?
 
the anapolack said:
ok....oral syringe or whatever i can pass it off as supplement or cold medicine........i cant pin myself at work bottom line

so can someone answer.......can it be taken with injectable lr3 or not?
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Can't you read or are you retarded? I said yes 3 times. EVEN THOUGH IT IS REDUNDANT.
 
lozgod said:
Can't you read or are you retarded? I said yes 3 times. EVEN THOUGH IT IS REDUNDANT.
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well i was only planning to do 40mcg lr3 in mornings and oral stuff on workout days.............besides.....cant you read im the anaPOLACK!
 
while all this is interesting, why can't you release a single reference that you have alluded to in your fabulously worded write up? what you are talking about is nothing short of groundbreaking technology, so forgive me for doubting that a small internet based "research" company could afford to license and utilize this groundbreaking technology. if what you say is true and the person really did invent a way for this process to happen, why would they let you utilize it, and not somebody like pfizer, or another industry giant who would market it and make billions. why would they choose you, and let you in on the process before the supposed patent is even secured and let you start selling this over the internet on bodybuilding forums for beans? $130/kit is a joke compared to what this technology would fetch in a global pharmaceutical market.

i'm tempted to believe it's an oral solution of k-r-ala, some obscure methylated steroid, and a few amino peptides to try and fool whoever tests it first.
 
Two Things I Don't Get...

One: at $150 a kit, would one expect to see any real gains during those 15 days? Because if not than r3-IGF-1 seems a more cost-effective alternative.

Two: Why are you all hyped on using it post cycle? It would seem to have the most benefits during cycle, i.e, hypertrophy from the AAS, and hyperplasia from the Oratropin.

Gonna e-mail this to IBE to see what they say.
 
lifted said:
IBE, this loky character doesn't have his training/diet down anyways. This KID is a 145lb. stringbean.
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Um, yeah, that was real intelligent.

(1) He ain't 145, not close.

(2) His training is solid, and his diet spot on (when he wants to be. And,

(C) even if he were a 145 pound stringbean, that doesn't make his inquiries any less credible.
 
riskarb i dont understand i have been keeping up with your log since day 1 and all was well now you mention PA's name and wow a big change in you tune towards this product man if you are are so easily influenced what do you stand for?
 
Twin Peak said:
Um, yeah, that was real intelligent.

(1) He ain't 145, not close.
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Okay, I'm not trying to stir **** or anything, I'm now just curious as hell. Last pics I saw of him, over at avant, he def. didn't look very big at all and said he wasn't too serious into bbing, if I remember reading his pic thread correctly. Are there any new pics? I'm really curious.
 
meethead said:
riskarb i dont understand i have been keeping up with your log since day 1 and all was well now you mention PA's name and wow a big change in you tune towards this product man if you are are so easily influenced what do you stand for?
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PA is an egomaniac. He practically said he thought up Superdrol way ahead of sledge in a thread on bb.com and just didn't come out with it because "______". (yeah, blank.) He can't stand anybody being more intelligent, creative, etc. than he is. It was so ridiculous.

He's a smart guy and made his contribution to supp industry, but he just can't take not being a god and the center of attention. Good products == bad news for PA if someone else makes them.
 
Lowki said:
I weight 215, so let's dispense with the ad hominem attacks.

And are you trying to intimate that there's a correlation between size and knowledge?? I'm sure that theory's gonna' fly...
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Lol, that's a little weird to sneak in a baseless personal attack into the discusion. EDIT: I guess if he posts his pictures than they aren't baseless but they still seem irrelevant.

From what IBE says, I think that maybe he doesn't even fully understand the technology. I might not know crap about my computer or how it works but it doesn't keep it from being effective and functional.

I dunno Lowki it seems like you have some personal issues at stake in this. If it is a big scam, he'll be found out and his business will suffer greatly. It's a pretty sucessful business as it is and all the products I got from them so far work as they're supposed to. I used their T3 and clenbuterol and I am pleased with the results.

I don't think PA is a credible source for any kind of criticism towards anyone.
 
Foster said:
I guess if he posts his pictures than they aren't baseless but they still seem irrelevant.
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your right, correlating a persons physique with their intelligence on a given subject is dumb to say the least.
 
IBE said:
First off K-ALA or any steroid would not be able to fit or dissolve into a 1/2 ml gel type solution. Anyone who knows a little about chemistry will know you could not dissolve that much powder into 1/2ml of gel. It would take 1-3 g of ALA to get any type hypo feeling. Second, methylated steroids are a controlled substance now, do you really think we are ignorant enough to go to the magazines with this. Third, at any given moment one of our customers or competitors could have this tested, do you really think we are ignorant to come to the boards and mainstream with a product that contains something else.
Everyone is so worried about why a company would allow IBE to utilize this technology.....it is so hard for them to believe......well I guess the only explanation is that we have deep ties with the mob LOL or I guess because we stole it right out of the laboratory, but I guess when we run out we will be up the creek huh.
Now, for the truth of the matter in regards to our dealings with this laboratory that created the formulation is quite simple. We were working with this company to put a chemical into liquid and we got to know each other. First off this company does not deal with the supplement industry. They are in the 3rd clinical studies of their oral insulin formulation, due to the similar structure of IGF-1 they knew that it would be simple for them to make this product. They are only interested in bringing this development to the pharmaceutical companies when it is time and would not have the time or interest in a supplement. Since they knew we were planning on going into development of our own supplements due to inquiries we made, they chose us to handle this project. The whole point of doing this is to fund their 3rd clinical trial for this technology. They have already invested millions in this technology. So they figured they could use IGF-1 and put it into their technology, stay behind the scenes and fund their research while doing it. So this is why we are not allowed to prematurely announce any other information, this goes way beyond the supplement industry.
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i'm not trying to insult anyone, i'm simply trying to get a better handle on why this "technology" is being made available in the way that it is. all it would take to instill some confidence in the feasibility of your product would be the references to those studies your touting. until members here and elsewhere can see the actual data of these clinical trials all this argument is fruitless.
 
Jesus...you step away for an hour and turns into this.


Guys enough with the personal ****. Leave it alone or the thread is gone.


Stick to the topic at hand. If you can't discuss it and provide evidence on either side, then shut up.
 
IBE said:
First off K-ALA or any steroid would not be able to fit or dissolve into a 1/2 ml gel type solution. Anyone who knows a little about chemistry will know you could not dissolve that much powder into 1/2ml of gel. It would take 1-3 g of ALA to get any type hypo feeling. Second, methylated steroids are a controlled substance now, do you really think we are ignorant enough to go to the magazines with this. Third, at any given moment one of our customers or competitors could have this tested, do you really think we are ignorant to come to the boards and mainstream with a product that contains something else.
Everyone is so worried about why a company would allow IBE to utilize this technology.....it is so hard for them to believe......well I guess the only explanation is that we have deep ties with the mob LOL or I guess because we stole it right out of the laboratory, but I guess when we run out we will be up the creek huh.
Now, for the truth of the matter in regards to our dealings with this laboratory that created the formulation is quite simple. We were working with this company to put a chemical into liquid and we got to know each other. First off this company does not deal with the supplement industry. They are in the 3rd clinical studies of their oral insulin formulation, due to the similar structure of IGF-1 they knew that it would be simple for them to make this product. They are only interested in bringing this development to the pharmaceutical companies when it is time and would not have the time or interest in a supplement. Since they knew we were planning on going into development of our own supplements due to inquiries we made, they chose us to handle this project. The whole point of doing this is to fund their 3rd clinical trial for this technology. They have already invested millions in this technology. So they figured they could use IGF-1 and put it into their technology, stay behind the scenes and fund their research while doing it. So this is why we are not allowed to prematurely announce any other information, this goes way beyond the supplement industry.
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Brian,

I know your busy and inundated w/ questions, but any chance you could address my concerns. After all, I'm willing to drop some serious coin on this stuff; enough to get a full cycle of AAS and HGH (with a dr's script of course), so I'd like a little more info than a typical marketing writeup.

thanks, -V
 
im still gonna pin my dick.......i also got viagra from hf that im gonna take after each oral dose so it goes straight to the erectile tissue and hangs there..........see you on the straight to video circuit
 

indulge my scientific ramblings here, i'm trying to understand what you are doing delivery wise. i have a rather pressing question at the bottom i'd like to hear your answer from. to the science...

You talked of your product being absorbed via the mucosa membranes in the throat. the permeabilities of the oral mucosae decrease in the order of sublingual greater than buccal, and buccal greater than palatal(1). so i would first assume that you would use sublingual, becuase the buccal mucosa is considerably less permeable than the sublingual area; however the sublingual region lacks an expanse of smooth muscle or immobile mucosa and is constantly washed by a considerable amount of saliva, which would render your product useless. The other problem is the sublingual route is only capable of producing a rapid onset of action making it appropriate for drugs with short delivery period requirements with infrequent dosing regimens (Not ideal for IGF-1, correct?) because of the high permeability and rich blood supply to the area. So the buccal mucosa becomes the preffered route...

looking at the buccal mucosa it becomes more appealing over sublingual mucosa (for systemic delivery, anyways) becuase it's less permeable and not able to give a rapid onset of absorption. (1) also, the buccal mucosa has an expanse of smooth muscle and relatively immobile mucosa which makes it a more desirable region for sustained delivery and delivery of peptide drugs (bingo). the problem with this approach is it has low flux which gives low bioavailability. so now the question is, what penetration enhancers are you using to help increase flux through the mucosa? several studies have been done on what to use, and they are pushing for insulin as the targeted drug to deliver (3), these studies apply here as insulin and IGF-1 are similar enough in structure. The results were promising using sodium lauryl sulfate (5%) as a penetration enhancer. they improved bioavailability from .07% to 26% in vivo(3). The safety of these penetration enhancers has been called into question, which makes me nervous, as you won't release information.

followed me so far? all this science is wonderful but it isn't perfected yet; hence the FDA trials you claim your producer is undergoing. i really don't want to be the test dummy for your product, i'll let the FDA decide on that. My main question is, how is this cost effective? assuming a ~25% absorption rate, how can you effectively compete with a sub-q delivery system that yields much higher bioavailability? you would have to use 4 times the dosage of igf-1 in your product to match what you would get from the standard lr3-igf1 injectable. this really bothers me, as your price doesn't reflect the market price of media grade igf-1, much less receptor grade.



oh, and i DO post studies; they aren't hugely secret!


1. Harris, D. and Robinson, J.R., Drug delivery via the mucous membranes of the oral cavity, J. Pharm. Sci., 81:1-10, 1992. Reproduced with permission of the American Pharmaceutical Association.

2. Gandhi, R.B. and Robinson, J.R., Oral cavity as a site for bioadhesive drug delivery, Adv. Drug Del. Rev., 13:43-74, 1994.

3. 36. Aungst, B.J. and Rogers, N.J., Comparison of the effects of various transmucosal absorption promoters on buccal insulin delivery, Int. J. Pharm., 53:227-235, 1989.
 
the anapolack said:
im still gonna pin my dick.......i also got viagra from hf that im gonna take after each oral dose so it goes straight to the erectile tissue and hangs there..........see you on the straight to video circuit
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:D Keep a log brotha :D A 10" dong never killed nobody (well, atleast not the person with the 10" dong ;))
 
Bobo said:
Jesus...you step away for an hour and turns into this.


Guys enough with the personal ****. Leave it alone or the thread is gone.


Stick to the topic at hand. If you can't discuss it and provide evidence on either side, then shut up.
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No ****! I want to read his log and what he is noticing in his body. WTF is with all this other ****. And you can

leave all the subscribed messages out!
 
"You can get a good look at a T-Bone by sticking your head up a cows ass, but I would rather take a butchers word for it."

Enough people are using this stuff right now, in the next 20-30 days we are going to have a consencus on its efficacy. Why don't people chill out with the questions they have done stated they won't answer no matter how many times you ask.

While you try to sound like a genius you make yourself sound like a child asking a parents permission for a toy over and over thinking that the next time you ask they are going to say yes.

I don't need to know the molecular mechanisms of extreme heat burning flesh to not put my hand in fire. Just STFU, sit back and see if it works. So many people are saying that it can't work, but in the meantime we have people trying it to see if it does.

No wonder left brained people commit suicide so often. You drive me crazy just reading your posts, I would hate to have to deal with you on a 24 hour basis like you have to deal with yourselves. Go get laid and stop thinking about Oratropin for a day.
 
Holy Crap Batman!

God, I'm away from the board for a day and I come back to this? :blink:

Very entertaining! :lol: I will say one thing about all this...

As long as the personal atacks are left out, I find the whole exchange really intresting. And I thought things would get boring after the ban. I like it when the boyz from avant get involved here. As long as the debate is constructive.
 
meethead said:
riskarb i dont understand i have been keeping up with your log since day 1 and all was well now you mention PA's name and wow a big change in you tune towards this product man if you are are so easily influenced what do you stand for?
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I mentioned my hesitations concerning the product early in the log, before any mention of PA, and before I was aware of any posts on Avant. What do I stand for? Well, I don't owe my allegiance to either IBE or PA...

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My concerns have always been survivability of the peptide, that's all. I beleive that IBE is legit and dosing the product with IGF. For myself, it's simply an issue of product efficacy.
 
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My buddy bought two kits, but will be in Bermuda for two weeks... He gave me one of his kits, so I will do 2x the daily dose for two weeks looking for dose-response. :D
 
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Bobo said:
Jesus...you step away for an hour and turns into this.


Guys enough with the personal ****. Leave it alone or the thread is gone.


Stick to the topic at hand. If you can't discuss it and provide evidence on either side, then shut up.
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I agree 100% Invalid Link Removed Let the people testing log the results and 98% of everyones questions will be answered.
It is exasperating trying to follow the log with all these sidebars.
 
riskarb said:
Took two hits at 8:05 CST
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Weird reaction to this 2x dose -- have a distinct elevation in body temp to 99.5. I don't know if it's causal to the dose of OT, but I'll begin to take my basal temp in the am before dosing.
 
riskarb said:
My buddy bought two kits, but will be in Bermuda for two weeks... He gave me one of his kits, so I will do 2x the daily dose for two weeks looking for dose-response. :D
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According to IBE doubling the dose will not increase the gains due to the cell mediation technology he has incorporated into his new product. This being his theory, what do you hope for by increasing the dose?
 
captainbicept said:
According to IBE doubling the dose will not increase the gains due to the cell mediation technology he has incorporated into his new product. This being his theory, what do you hope for by increasing the dose?
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Dose response. It's IBE's theory, not mine.
 
Perhaps, riskarb please follow up on this. However the question still remains about doubling the dose not being effective due to the cell-mediation.
 
riskarb said:
Dose response.
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your reaction implies that the single dose isn't sufficient to saturate your receptors & that doubling is providing "fuller coverage", so to speak.

In light of this, and the suggested longevity of Oratropin in vivo, it would be very interesting to get feedback on 12hr-interval dosing.
 
lozgod said:
While you try to sound like a genius you make yourself sound like a child asking a parents permission for a toy over and over thinking that the next time you ask they are going to say yes.

I don't need to know the molecular mechanisms of extreme heat burning flesh to not put my hand in fire. Just STFU, sit back and see if it works. So many people are saying that it can't work, but in the meantime we have people trying it to see if it does.

No wonder left brained people commit suicide so often. You drive me crazy just reading your posts, I would hate to have to deal with you on a 24 hour basis like you have to deal with yourselves. Go get laid and stop thinking about Oratropin for a day.
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who's this outburst directed at?
 
Dudes, we were/are all on androgens and whatnot at some time or other so you know that some of us are gonna get all aggro and bent outta shape on things we believe in, that are being called into question. It's only normal. But I think that we should give some respect to riskarb and take this arguement elsewhere so he can continue with his trial. I do find it informative, not to mention amusing at times, and think it should be continued...just not in risk's thread.
 
mmorpheuss said:
Riskarb's probably sleeping. :lol:
Before I started taking this stuff, I was waking up and my wife was still tired. Now, my wife is getting up, meanwhile, i'm zonked out in a pool of sweat even though the temperature in the house is turned down to 60.

I'm past the point of wondering whether or not this stuff works. now I'm sort of selfishly hoping that IBE going mainstream doesn't hurt the life of this product. I know it costs a decent amount of cash, but this stuff has officially been put at the top of the list with food, toothpaste, soap, and toilet paper. :thumbsup:
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Bump!
 
Cell mediation sounds great in theory, but I'd imagined that the sides and efficacy would be dose-dependent. Felt much more hypo today. Wish I had a glucose test kit available.
 
riskarb said:
Cell mediation sounds great in theory, but I'd imagined that the sides and efficacy would be dose-dependent. Felt much more hypo today. Wish I had a glucose test kit available.
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Here is someone monitoring their glucose levels while on Oratropin.

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Riskarb, I have an extra blood glucose kit if you're interested. It's just been calibrated, and I've got plenty of lancets and test strips. I'm willing to trade but I can't use the PM's yet. email me at: [email protected] if you're interested.

riskarb said:
Cell mediation sounds great in theory, but I'd imagined that the sides and efficacy would be dose-dependent. Felt much more hypo today. Wish I had a glucose test kit available.
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IBE said:
i just went to try to find your email what was it about so i can go look again
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It was about the peptides........also I need to order tonight because your sale goes off after tonight............right? Thanks for looking?
 
supermanstanley said:
sent Thanks for email but, My second email had about two more questions answer them and I promise I want bother you anymore tonight! :thumbsup:
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sale?i didnt see nuthin bout no sale
 
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