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Old Fugger Ready to take on all challengers...Transfomation time!!!

oufinny said:
You might want to consider DieselbolanV2, the combo of DMZ and M-LMG make for a nice mass gainer and the DMZ will balance out the wet M-LMG. After taking DMZ, I can't picture anything stonger being fun... Superdrol is just mean and take so much to deal with the sides.
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I've ran Super-Drol many times and never had any issues with it. No negative sides to speak of. Clean in my personal experience. Strong stuff too. Very. 30 mgs. of M-Drol per day is about all most guys will need. And keep it short too.....like 4 weeks maximum.

We're all unique in our body chemistry and make up, therefore we respond differently to these compounds.
 
punthra said:
Nice! I'm debating on a m-drol / 4ad run in late spring....
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Little harsh for me..

oufinny said:
You might want to consider DieselbolanV2, the combo of DMZ and M-LMG make for a nice mass gainer and the DMZ will balance out the wet M-LMG. After taking DMZ, I can't picture anything stonger being fun... Superdrol is just mean and take so much to deal with the sides.
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I will run the Helladrol weeks 1-4 100mg ed 5-6 125 and the Trenazone 30 mg ed weeks 1-4, I plan something similar with Epi instead of Helladrol around Xmas or maybe October... or November.

thundergod said:
I've ran Super-Drol many times and never had any issues with it. No negative sides to speak of. Clean in my personal experience. Strong stuff too. Very. 30 mgs. of M-Drol per day is about all most guys will need. And keep it short too.....like 4 weeks maximum.

We're all unique in our body chemistry and make up, therefore we respond differently to these compounds.
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Some people don't seem to get the harsh sides, I ran into one guy who said the same about M1T. The milder stuff is good enough for me right now provided I mix and match it.
 
I unfortunately am a side effect whore. I spread myself around making sure I touch on every one intimately.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I unfortunately am a side effect whore. I spread myself around making sure I touch on every one intimately.
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yah the milder ones leave me unscathed, just a bit of shutdown but then I have some wicked PCT's... :saevilw:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Little harsh for me..



I will run the Helladrol weeks 1-4 100mg ed 5-6 125 and the Trenazone 30 mg ed weeks 1-4, I plan something similar with Epi instead of Helladrol around Xmas or maybe October... or November.



Some people don't seem to get the harsh sides, I ran into one guy who said the same about M1T. The milder stuff is good enough for me right now provided I mix and match it.
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I love how you lump Tren into "milder stuff", it is far from mild, with a 500/500 anabolic/androgenic rating. I actually posted that for Jason as he was talking about a bulker cycle but it seems size is not something you need a ton more of Doug!
 
oufinny said:
I love how you lump Tren into "milder stuff", it is far from mild, with a 500/500 anabolic/androgenic rating. I actually posted that for Jason as he was talking about a bulker cycle but it seems size is not something you need a ton more of Doug!
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Didn't think this would be that harsh the stuff I used years ago was pretty mild. Anywho size is more about diet, I will be on recomp so I won't make big gains. This is a transdermal so some of the sides will not be as harsh but shutdown might be more than I bargained for. I am running pretty low dose for only 4 weeks though. I will use the milder stuff more liberally to make up for that.
 
oufinny said:
I love how you lump Tren into "milder stuff", it is far from mild, with a 500/500 anabolic/androgenic rating. I actually posted that for Jason as he was talking about a bulker cycle but it seems size is not something you need a ton more of Doug!
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This version of Tren is the PH. It's unmethylated and thusly not liver-toxic. IT IS mild even though it's potent and effective.
It is no where near in comparison to actual Trenbolone though. Take it from someone who has ran the ph versions, real oral-tren, and now injectable trenbolone. Miles apart.

The PH is not harsh at all. :love:

The oral version of real trienolone (Oral Tren=methyl-trienolone) is wickedly potent. :firedevil:

And the injectable tren-suspension (tren no ester) that I'm running PWO now is uber-strong. :aargh:

I love it!!:woohoo:

DreamWeaver said:
Didn't think this would be that harsh the stuff I used years ago was pretty mild. Anywho size is more about diet, I will be on recomp so I won't make big gains. This is a transdermal so some of the sides will not be as harsh but shutdown might be more than I bargained for. I am running pretty low dose for only 4 weeks though. I will use the milder stuff more liberally to make up for that.
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I read up on the Trenazone after I saw you mention it yesterday. Being a transdermal should make the lower dose even more effective. The 30 mg. dose you have outliined is on the low end so you shouldn't encounter any problems at all. Just a nice little boost in strength and some noticeable hardening of the muscles. Just what you want.
The shutdown from this compound is the only harsh thing about it. It will suppress your own hormonal production. But that's to be expected when we run these things. If they didn't suppress our own bodies production of hormones, they wouldn't be effective.
 
mich29 said:
great ideas being thrown around here.
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Yah love the back and forth...

RickRock13 said:
LMAO...:toofunny: I think that's sig worthy right there...:yup:
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Indeed

thundergod said:
This version of Tren is the PH. It's unmethylated and thusly not liver-toxic. IT IS mild even though it's potent and effective.
It is no where near in comparison to actual Trenbolone though. Take it from someone who has ran the ph versions, real oral-tren, and now injectable trenbolone. Miles apart.

The PH is not harsh at all. :love:

The oral version of real trienolone (Oral Tren=methyl-trienolone) is wickedly potent. :firedevil:

And the injectable tren-suspension (tren no ester) that I'm running PWO now is uber-strong. :aargh:

I love it!!:woohoo:


I read up on the Trenazone after I saw you mention it yesterday. Being a transdermal should make the lower dose even more effective. The 30 mg. dose you have outliined is on the low end so you shouldn't encounter any problems at all. Just a nice little boost in strength and some noticeable hardening of the muscles. Just what you want.
The shutdown from this compound is the only harsh thing about it. It will suppress your own hormonal production. But that's to be expected when we run these things. If they didn't suppress our own bodies production of hormones, they wouldn't be effective.
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Yah you read this is not the prohormne but the active compound, some kind of loophole allowed them to release it. I like the idea of Transdermal delivery as well. It's supposed to be pretty potent even at that low dose.
 
Last night was day 2 of the warrior workout and it's much tougher than day 1, lots of compound lifting... with double drops that spells exploding lungs.

Lat pulldowns 165 X 13, 150 X 8, 135 X 7
Flat Bench 235 X 7, 215 X 4, 195 X 5 it was my first time doing bench for a while shoulder seems a bit better but not a lot of power here.
L-Lateral Raise 40 X 13, 35 X 9, 30 X 7
Close Grip Bench 215 X 7, 195 X 4, 175 X 5 again power was down.. but I think I can push it up when I get accustomed to the exercises again.
Barbell Curls 125 X 9, 115 X 7, 105 X 5
Front Squats 225 X 8, 205 X 6, 185 X 5
Stiff Leg Deads 245 X 8, 225 X 5, 205 X 4 These last 2 burned me out but good...

I looked like a totally different person from last week, the waist is getting smaller and I look bigger in the lats, chest and shoulders... I weighed in at 226 which is 21 lbs down now but this diet will make me shed water.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah you read this is not the prohormne but the active compound, some kind of loophole allowed them to release it. I like the idea of Transdermal delivery as well. It's supposed to be pretty potent even at that low dose.
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Sorry......but no cigar this time. This is not the true trenbolone compound but rather the same old PH version that recently got banned. You are correct however in stating that they found a loophole so they could sell it.

Trenazone is the estra-4,9-dien-17b-ol-3-one, and that is the prohormone version.

The real trenbolone's nomenclature is: 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one

I don't know many things.......but this is my area of expertise. :22:
 
thundergod said:
Sorry......but no cigar this time. This is not the true trenbolone compound but rather the same old PH version that recently got banned. You are correct however in stating that they found a loophole so they could sell it.

Trenazone is the estra-4,9-dien-17b-ol-3-one, and that is the prohormone version.

I don't know many things.......but this is my area of expertise. :22:
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They make it sound like real tren.
 
DreamWeaver said:
They make it sound like real tren.
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They always do. ALRI labs was the first company I remember that lead to this confusion. They pulled their own product after a while because they didn't want to release the true nomenclature of their version.

Don't fret however. That Trenazone is a very decent ph version and the transdermal delivery will go a long way in increasing the efficacy of the product. I think you'll love it. Don't be apprehensive about upping the dose if you feel the need. I've ran that compound at 90 and 120 mg. daily. Since you're stacking Helladrol with it, you should be fine with no more than 60 mg. per day. Split that up into morning and evening applications of the transdermal.
 
thundergod said:
They always do. ALRI labs was the first company I remember that lead to this confusion. They pulled their own product after a while because they didn't want to release the true nomenclature of their version.

Don't fret however. That Trenazone is a very decent ph version and the transdermal delivery will go a long way in increasing the efficacy of the product. I think you'll love it. Don't be apprehensive about upping the dose if you feel the need. I've ran that compound at 90 and 120 mg. daily. Since you're stacking Helladrol with it, you should be fine with no more than 60 mg. per day. Split that up into morning and evening applications of the transdermal.
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Ok maybe I'll order an extra bottle to cover increased dosing...
 
thundergod said:
They always do. ALRI labs was the first company I remember that lead to this confusion. They pulled their own product after a while because they didn't want to release the true nomenclature of their version.

Don't fret however. That Trenazone is a very decent ph version and the transdermal delivery will go a long way in increasing the efficacy of the product. I think you'll love it. Don't be apprehensive about upping the dose if you feel the need. I've ran that compound at 90 and 120 mg. daily. Since you're stacking Helladrol with it, you should be fine with no more than 60 mg. per day. Split that up into morning and evening applications of the transdermal.
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Oops the dosing is 75mg, makes more sense, I will order another anyway... just in case I want to run it longer.
 
thundergod said:
They always do. ALRI labs was the first company I remember that lead to this confusion. They pulled their own product after a while because they didn't want to release the true nomenclature of their version.

Don't fret however. That Trenazone is a very decent ph version and the transdermal delivery will go a long way in increasing the efficacy of the product. I think you'll love it. Don't be apprehensive about upping the dose if you feel the need. I've ran that compound at 90 and 120 mg. daily. Since you're stacking Helladrol with it, you should be fine with no more than 60 mg. per day. Split that up into morning and evening applications of the transdermal.
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Whatever it is apparently TrenX and TrenE were precursors to it...

Trenazone is dienolone. Tren-e/X-tren were both dienedione. Dienedione is a prohormone to Dienolone aka Trenazone
 
DreamWeaver said:
Whatever it is apparently TrenX and TrenE were precursors to it...

Trenazone is dienolone. Tren-e/X-tren were both dienedione. Dienedione is a prohormone to Dienolone aka Trenazone
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Yep, you got it. The Trenazone is the active steroid that "Tren" estra 4 stuff would convert to (dienolone). Basically you're bypassing the metabolism of estra 4 into dienolone, and directly applying it in an active form. Better topical since it bypasses liver metabolism, and the active compound can enter your bloodstream.

However, saying that "tren" (the estra 4 stuff) is not harsh isn't quite accurate. While it is not methylated, there are many people with bloodwork showing it had a significant negative impact on liver values. It's a bit odd for a non-methyl, but there's enough evidence and experience that I consider it liver toxic. Even PA has written about this, probably part of the unique metabolism of the PH to active steroid IIRC. Trenazone shouldn't have this problem, coneptually, since it should bypass the metabolism into dienolone.
 
Damn!!!! Loving all these good ideas! I never got any sides at all with anything other than lethargy from epistane, even M1T didn't causes problems for me.
 
Milas said:
Yep, you got it. The Trenazone is the active steroid that "Tren" estra 4 stuff would convert to (dienolone). Basically you're bypassing the metabolism of estra 4 into dienolone, and directly applying it in an active form. Better topical since it bypasses liver metabolism, and the active compound can enter your bloodstream.

However, saying that "tren" (the estra 4 stuff) is not harsh isn't quite accurate. While it is not methylated, there are many people with bloodwork showing it had a significant negative impact on liver values. It's a bit odd for a non-methyl, but there's enough evidence and experience that I consider it liver toxic. Even PA has written about this, probably part of the unique metabolism of the PH to active steroid IIRC. Trenazone shouldn't have this problem, coneptually, since it should bypass the metabolism into dienolone.
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Been looking at some of the reviews and some of the results have been pretty shocking....others just what you'd expect out of a solid product of this type.
 
punthra said:
Damn!!!! Loving all these good ideas! I never got any sides at all with anything other than lethargy from epistane, even M1T didn't causes problems for me.
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Yah I decided to not get the EPI and got some extra Trenazone... I will run it with Helladrol this summer and then decide whether to go solo with it with more agressive dosing or pick up something later on to stack with it. I have Dermatherm so that may be just the ticket.

One guy compared Trenazone to SD type results and he sounded pretty experienced...
 
For those who have been wondering about the Grapefruit diet ...



Food Name Amount Unit Cals Fat (g) Carbs (g) Prot (g) Delete
Total 1,855 37.1 67.1 299.6
Beef, round, eye of round 871 23.0 0.0 155.7
Fish, cooked 665 7.2 0.0 138.7
Grapefruit, raw 266 0.8 67.1 5.2
Fish oil, salmon 54 6.0 0.0 0.0
Total 1,855 37.1 67.1 299.6
 
I knew I'd seen a write up on this before... Concerning Trenazone:

Estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol-3-one "Dienolone"
Taken from PA's blog (patrickarnoldblog.com)...


"Believe it or not, even after all the recent federal crackdowns on synthetic “designer” anabolic steroid analogues there still are some companies willing to roll the dice and introduce new ones to the market. While these are not (yet) controlled substances, they are not natural substances either so selling them as supplements is not exactly kosher. But since these sort of things always sell great I guess some think its worth the risk.

The first compound is estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol-3-one (commonly referred to as “dienolone”). What is ironic about this compound is that the government scheduled it’s precursor (estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione - erroneously referred to as “tren”) just last January. If you recall, the old “tren” products worked pretty well but at the same time they were not free of potential adverse side effects. Anyway, as effective a compound as tren was, expect this stuff to work a lot better – and for two reasons. First reason, this is the active hormone and so requires no in-vivo enzymatic conversion. Second reason, this is delivered in a transdermal base so bioavailability goes way up as compared to oral. This product scores an impressive 10:1 on the Hershberger anabolic/androgenic ratio scale, plus it’s got decent absolute anabolic potency. As of yet I have not heard of anyone using it and I don’t know if it has hit the shelves yet."
 
I'm picking me some Trenazone up soon, and that is what will be my next cycle stacked with Helladrol. Ill be recomping with it, so interested in how this will go for you..

It sounds pretty sweet to me :)
 
RickRock13 said:
I'm picking me some Trenazone up soon, and that is what will be my next cycle stacked with Helladrol. Ill be recomping with it, so interested in how this will go for you..

It sounds pretty sweet to me :)
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Yup sounds legit as ****. Gonna pick up a bottle or 2 and stack it wih Epi-Strong and Test :bigeyes2:
 
BarbellBeast said:
Yup sounds legit as ****. Gonna pick up a bottle or 2 and stack it wih Epi-Strong and Test :bigeyes2:
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It's not my business, but since you're going to the "dark-side" and running some Test, why not just get real Tren-Ace? If one desires tren-like effects, one's best option is to run real Tren!!

You'll be paying too much for this Trenazone, bro. I don't blame the other guys using it, the ones not wanting to run real AAS or not wanting to risk the legal issues of ordering it. But if you're going to place an order for real Test, just grab some real Tren-Ace while you're at it.
You could even buy some authentic Oral Tren.....methyltrienolone.
And instead of Epi-Strong, get some Anavar.


I've done a lion's share of both ph/aas.......and I can tell you this: Real AAS blows all of those ph/ds out of the friggin' water!!!

:redeemerwhore:
 
RickRock13 said:
I'm picking me some Trenazone up soon, and that is what will be my next cycle stacked with Helladrol. Ill be recomping with it, so interested in how this will go for you..

It sounds pretty sweet to me :)
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That's what my first cycle with it will be...

BarbellBeast said:
Yup sounds legit as ****. Gonna pick up a bottle or 2 and stack it wih Epi-Strong and Test :bigeyes2:
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That's what I will decide with what my results are from the first cycle, either agressively dosed with derma or with EPI and Derma...

mich29 said:
sounds like some great stuff.I'll wait and see how the logs go though
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There are some pretty impressive results/reviews but yah it would be nice to see more.

thundergod said:
It's not my business, but since you're going to the "dark-side" and running some Test, why not just get real Tren-Ace? If one desires tren-like effects, one's best option is to run real Tren!!

You'll be paying too much for this Trenazone, bro. I don't blame the other guys using it, the ones not wanting to run real AAS or not wanting to risk the legal issues of ordering it. But if you're going to place an order for real Test, just grab some real Tren-Ace while you're at it.
You could even buy some authentic Oral Tren.....methyltrienolone.
And instead of Epi-Strong, get some Anavar.


I've done a lion's share of both ph/aas.......and I can tell you this: Real AAS blows all of those ph/ds out of the friggin' water!!!

:redeemerwhore:
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Yah if I could justify it to the wife I would be going a totally different way with it... I would probably opt for the Test/Deca/Var cycle we discussed. That's an expensive cycle using Canadian sources by the way...
 
Damn if I look this good completely deflated then I am wondering what I look like carbed up. I think the Androhard/S4 are doing there job... Man the improvements from last year are significant but only 3 weeks left, time is a mother on this prep!! I need my 5 weeks back!! 18 may be enough we'll see as that could have me on stage for May 14th, breached the subject with the wife but willl have to revisit that in 3 weeks.

Same old grind 30 minutes fasted cardio then 5K walk to work... Last night on the way home I got a pretty good little dizzy spell, have to watch that tonight at the gym, might take a juice with me just in case.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah if I could justify it to the wife I would be going a totally different way with it... I would probably opt for the Test/Deca/Var cycle we discussed. That's an expensive cycle using Canadian sources by the way...
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I know a few sources that will ship to Canada........and they're not expensive either. You just have to shop around.
Where there's a will......there's always a way. ;)
 
You guys make me want to turn to the dark side... :sigh:
 
All this darkside talk makes me want to jump on that 12 week run of test... patience!!!!!!!!!
 
Doug, hearing your comments on your physique I am like a kid waiting for Christmas morning to see the final product. Are you going to do a full blown peak week for the pics? I would that way if you do get to do that show you will have already done a practice run. You posing in the shadows just in case you get the go ahead?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Doug, hearing your comments on your physique I am like a kid waiting for Christmas morning to see the final product. Are you going to do a full blown peak week for the pics? I would that way if you do get to do that show you will have already done a practice run. You posing in the shadows just in case you get the go ahead?
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Yep, I am going to do the best I can given the shorter prep time but I am definitely bigger and better than before, I have rebuilt me... and yep if I look good enough I will try to convince the wife to let me hit the stage...

Couple of differences cuz I can't treat this like my final week just in case I decide to go to competition so I will train the full week but I will do the carb up I have devised and it's the best one I've used yet... Friday 12-8 800 grams of a mixture of low and high glycemic carbs and somewhat depleted water intake and got to bed get up the next day full and lean looking. Very simple but effective. There is some spill over the night before but it's gone by morning.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yep, I am going to do the best I can given the shorter prep time but I am definitely bigger and better than before, I have rebuilt me... and yep if I look good enough I will try to convince the wife to let me hit the stage...

Couple of differences cuz I can't treat this like my final week just in case I decide to go to competition so I will train the full week but I will do the carb up I have devised and it's the best one I've used yet... Friday 12-8 800 grams of a mixture of low and high glycemic carbs and somewhat depleted water intake and got to bed get up the next day full and lean looking. Very simple but effective. There is some spill over the night before but it's gone by morning.
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I presume you use glycobol for that refeed too, right?
 
Milas said:
I presume you use glycobol for that refeed too, right?
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I do before bed but I use Pslin pre meal for the heavy higher glycemic meals as it handles more carbs at a lower dose and is better for higher glycemic carbs. When I go back to regular dieting it's glycobol all the way.

Milas said:
I'm just a dark shade of grey!
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That's a good way of putting it...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yep, I am going to do the best I can given the shorter prep time but I am definitely bigger and better than before, I have rebuilt me... and yep if I look good enough I will try to convince the wife to let me hit the stage...

Couple of differences cuz I can't treat this like my final week just in case I decide to go to competition so I will train the full week but I will do the carb up I have devised and it's the best one I've used yet... Friday 12-8 800 grams of a mixture of low and high glycemic carbs and somewhat depleted water intake and got to bed get up the next day full and lean looking. Very simple but effective. There is some spill over the night before but it's gone by morning.
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Excellent! I do well with short carb ups and limited water intake too.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Excellent! I do well with short carb ups and limited water intake too.
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Maybe that's cuz it works :439: Yah it's so simple and I just wonder why more people don't do it. There's a chance that possibly the potential rewards may not be as grand, like maybe you don't get quite as volumized ro perhaps you could get rid of more water but the risks are not high. I get consistant results that I am pleased with and up untill now that has not been the case.

BarbellBeast said:
OH yes the darkside.. Pop that cherry and get off the PH's :439:
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:bigeyes2: :nervous:
 
Oh and besides my Helladrol and Fomastanz ... great bargain thanks guys, I made a purchase at Nutra got some Creatine Nitrate and a couple bottles of Dermatherm. Then when I was stocking up on trenazone I threw in a couple bottles of Yok3d in hopes of using it for the pump, figured it might make a good stage product.

Man I'm drained, I got a bit of a cold to go along with the rest of this unpleasantness, makes me so mad that I"m gong to go to the gym and tear **** up!! A strange state of being drained of life and pissed!! I better look good at the end of this or I am going to be really cheezed off!!
 
Hey Dreamweaver, just read the entire thread. Better late then never. Props to you man, well deserved. Good luck with your training and supplementation as well as teh contest. I was looking at the Trenazone and yok3d myself..I will be following along. Take care..SJ
 
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