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No More Support Supps

RJW719

RJW719

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Ive been thinking about not using supports on my upcoming cycle. The prohormone compounds themselves are fairly cheap, but by the time you buy all of your supports youve racked up quite a bill. So I thought id ask you guys...


For compounds like h-drol, how important do you think support supps are?

If you were to choose one or two supports, which would be the most important? (dont say some all in one product like cycle support, think something you can buy at the grocery store for 10 bucks)


If I were going to be using a harsher compound I would sacrifice the cash for my health. Just not sure if it would be worth the extra money for h-drol.




Thanks for the help
 
If your on a non meth than just hawthorn And milk thistle but on a meth ph like halo I would take cycle assist
 
I dunno, I gotta say that if you can't manage to afford the $40 for 36 days of cycle support you might want to reconsider whether running the cycle is the best idea. Particularly if you are going to spend 20-25 to get part of whats in there anyhow buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry.
 
my methyls I usually only take milk thistle and probably hawthorne berry. Thats about it :) never taken cycle assist though
 
All of these no support supps posts seem really stupid to me. you only have one body for your life, why risk it at all??

again im not really in that big of a position to say anything, look at my thread i just posted. but i will be taking lots of supports.
 
yeah i would say if anything liver support. i've never had bp issues so hawthorn is not needed for most. but with a methyl your best bet is to protect the liver(milk thistle), fish oils are good too. i always take them though.
 
EasyEJL said:
I dunno, I gotta say that if you can't manage to afford the $40 for 36 days of cycle support you might want to reconsider whether running the cycle is the best idea. Particularly if you are going to spend 20-25 to get part of whats in there anyhow buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry.
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I side with this^^^

though if you really know your body you should know what you really need in terms of supports.I think need tobuild muscle just put out a really solid cycle support supp thats a pretty decent price.
 
EasyEJL said:
I dunno, I gotta say that if you can't manage to afford the $40 for 36 days of cycle support you might want to reconsider whether running the cycle is the best idea. Particularly if you are going to spend 20-25 to get part of whats in there anyhow buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry.
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Ya if u cant spare the money for cycle supports dont cycle. No one said being safe was cheap.

BarbellBeast said:
yeah i would say if anything liver support. i've never had bp issues so hawthorn is not needed for most. but with a methyl your best bet is to protect the liver(milk thistle), fish oils are good too. i always take them though.
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Idk about the bp issue. I know that is what I seem to notice most commonly. And I will tell u a bp headache is a straigh up bitch. Plus certain support supps take a while to build up. Btw I hate u and ur bionic liver lol.

mich29 said:
I side with this^^^

though if you really know your body you should know what you really need in terms of supports.I think need tobuild muscle just put out a really solid cycle support supp thats a pretty decent price.
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Amen Need2Guard for the end up support supp.
 
Wait another few weeks, save up the necessary funds, and then purchase the proper ancilliaries to run your cycle and pct properly!
 
It's so crazy reading all this cuz I just ran two cycles (dieselbolan v2.0, and beastdrol).

I used three bottles liver juice with the dimethazine. I felt like I had symptoms of hepatoxicity. Maybe the liver juice kept me alive. Who knows?

With the beastdrol I said **** it and ran the cycle without support supps. Let me tell u, that beastdrol was real smooth and wasn't even taking nac like I did with dimethazine.

These cycles were spaced at 3 weeks dieselbolan v2.0, 3 weeks clomid, 3 weeks beastdrol, and am currently in pct 3 weeks clomid yuck.
 
EasyEJL said:
I dunno, I gotta say that if you can't manage to afford the $40 for 36 days of cycle support you might want to reconsider whether running the cycle is the best idea. Particularly if you are going to spend 20-25 to get part of whats in there anyhow buying milk thistle and hawthorn berry.
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+1


If you watch sales, you can get Milk Thistle buy one get one for $6.00 @ Wally World. I would do this at a minimum.
 
zombiemuscle said:
I say to hell with milk thistle. Just don't drink or take Tylenol.
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Whats your HDL + LDL cholesterol like? Oh wait, I bet you don't know since you don't get blood tested. Low HDL with high LDL deposits plaque on arterial walls that doesn't disappear when cholesterol levels go back to normal. Raises your chances of heart attack significantly.....
 
EasyEJL said:
Whats your HDL + LDL cholesterol like? Oh wait, I bet you don't know since you don't get blood tested. Low HDL with high LDL deposits plaque on arterial walls that doesn't disappear when cholesterol levels go back to normal. Raises your chances of heart attack significantly.....
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U think taking one bottle support supp for ~6 weeks will help if u have or are prone to bad cholesterol? U would be better off getting a cholesterol script from your doc. Anyways I'm looking at a blood test order right now and am also gettin my liver values checked.
 
zombiemuscle said:
U think taking one bottle support supp for ~6 weeks will help if u have or are prone to bad cholesterol? U would be better off getting a cholesterol script from your doc. Anyways I'm looking at a blood test order right now and am also gettin my liver values checked.
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It has nothing to do with being prone to bad cholesterol. My cholesterol stayed in the "vegetarian" grade end, total cholesterol in the 155-180 range, with HDL being 65+, but after one 20 day oral cycle without support supps it blew to 232 total, with hdl being under 20. This was after harsher longer cycles where I did use cycle support products, and didn't have that happen.

Sure the doctor can give you a script, but have you looked at the sides from Crestor or the other statins? Its better to avoid the problem than create one.

And yes, cholesterol will bounce back to normal within a few months but you've already managed to layer on a bunch of arterial plaque in that time that you wouldn't have had otherwise. And there are good solid medical studies showing that the ingredients in current cycle support products actually do help to raise or keep HDL high while lowering LDL.
 
EasyEJL said:
It has nothing to do with being prone to bad cholesterol. My cholesterol stayed in the "vegetarian" grade end, total cholesterol in the 155-180 range, with HDL being 65+, but after one 20 day oral cycle without support supps it blew to 232 total, with hdl being under 20. This was after harsher longer cycles where I did use cycle support products, and didn't have that happen.

Sure the doctor can give you a script, but have you looked at the sides from Crestor or the other statins? Its better to avoid the problem than create one.

And yes, cholesterol will bounce back to normal within a few months but you've already managed to layer on a bunch of arterial plaque in that time that you wouldn't have had otherwise. And there are good solid medical studies showing that the ingredients in current cycle support products actually do help to raise or keep HDL high while lowering LDL.
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Thanks for the lesson, but risks are not an issue. I need to get bigger! Epistrong cycle coming up for the winter cycle.
 
I think you should ALWAYS at least have support supps on hand. While I do not ALWAYS take them, I have Hawthorne Berries, NAC, and Milk Thistle on hand year round. May look into cycle assist for my current cycle....I have done cycles in the past with no support supps, is it a good idea? No. Is it safe? No. Is the hepatoxicity of oral steroids as bad as everyone thinks? IMO no, alcoholics drink a liter of Vodka a day for 20 years + and some have liver problems some don't. So maybe it's just dependent on your body, but why risk it?
 
Everybody is different. IME, I've found that I feel fine using high doses of H-drol or Epistane without support supps. I use CEL's Cycle Assist with something stronger like SD or M1T. The most important thing for me has been 1 1/2-2 gallons of water a day while on methyls.

I'm not recommended that anybody not take them, mind you.
 
at least use some liver support. my buddy didn't use support supps on a mild PH cycle and developed 10/12 symptoms of liver disease. went back to normal after he stopped the PH and started a liver support product. don't make the same mistake.
 
given how the liver rebounds, so long as you aren't running a stupid multi methyl stack, I'd rather see people running red yeast rice, beta sisterol and saw palmetto to help keep cholesterol and prostate issues in line.
 
You don't need a boatload of supports. Just get the ones you might actually need. Always have Nolva on hand (for PCT or any gyno issues) and keep some Cialis around in case your BP spikes. NAC is the only liver aid that I'm certain works, and even that isn't necessary for short cycles of mild orals. Taurine is good for cramps/pumps, so its a good idea to have on hand.
Why do you think people only recommend all these OTC supports for OTC AAS? Because they want to sell you more crap that you likely won't need.
 
MOST comprehensive support supps are really overdosed. here is one that has been mentioned in this thread.

all i see is the important ingredients underdosed coupled with a bunch of herbs like dandelion underdosed.

a few examples :

100mg taurine
75mg hawthorn extract
100mg maca
50mg I3C
coq10 10mcg

1500mg propriety of
NAC
Milk thistle
Red yeast rice
Astragalus
Phosphatidycholine

granted the Phosphatidycholine will make the milk thistle better absorbed, the NAC needs to be dosed at at least 2-3g a day though. astragalus should be at like 400mg soooo you get the picture.
 
I agree with getting the important supps in great dosages vs getting a buncha sh*t that wont have any mitigating effects .

bulk red wine extract ( to have complete spectrum to make the resveratrol absorb)

bulk resveratrol - goes without saying

potent natural vita E ( LEFs gamma tocotrienol or toco8 from PP) - Test and cholesterol

liver juice - liver

hawthorn berries megadosed - BP

ubiquinol coq10 100-200mg/d - all around awesome supp for your heart (+ BP) and kidneys

these are outside of the standard every day multi and fish oil
 
Don't forget about ALA and NAC. Hell, I think these should probably be taken year-round as general health supplements.
 
i cant believe this is even a question......at a min. milk thistle and hawthorne berry

i learned on this cycle for some odd reason that BP is a big issue for me, now i won't go without a lot of hawthorne ever again, i've also added in garlic, celery seed, and grape seed

also take NAC and cycle support
 
Young Gotti said:
i cant believe this is even a question......at a min. milk thistle and hawthorne berry

i learned on this cycle for some odd reason that BP is a big issue for me, now i won't go without a lot of hawthorne ever again, i've also added in garlic, celery seed, and grape seed

also take NAC and cycle support
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OK, but BP is obviously an issue for you. I haven't had a BP issue that couldn't be fixed by increasing my Aromasin dose. And milk thistle is pointless. I would use NAC for general protection, and UDCA if any issues start to come up.
 
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