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NMDA has no effect on body composition & hormonal activity

Synapsin

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Heavy Resistance Training and Supplementation With the Alleged Testosterone Booster Nmda has No Effect on Body Composition, Muscle Performance, and Serum Hormones Associated With the Hypothalamo-Pituitary-Gonadal Axis in Resistance-Trained Males

Darryn S. Willoughby, Mike Spillane, Neil Schwarz

The effects of 28 days of heavy resistance training while ingesting the alleged testosterone-boosting supplement, NMDA, were determined on body composition, muscle strength, serum cortisol, prolactin, and hormones associated with the hypothalamo-pituitary- gonadal (HPG) axis. Twenty resistance-trained males engaged in 28 days of resistance training 4 times/wk while orally ingesting daily either 1.78 g of placebo (PLAC) or NMDA. Data were analyzed with separate 2 x 2 ANOVA (p < 0.05). Criterion measures involved body composition, muscle strength, serum cortisol, prolactin, and gonadal hormone levels [free and total testosterone, luteininzing hormome (LH), gonadotrophin releasing hormone (GnRH), estradiol], and were assessed before (Day 0) and after (Day 29) resistance training and supplementation. No changes were noted for total body water and fat mass in response to resistance training (p > 0.05) or supplementation (p > 0.05). In regard to total body mass and fat-free mass, however, each was significantly increased in both groups in response to resistance training (p < 0.05), but were not affected by supplementation (p > 0.05). In both groups, lower-body muscle strength was significantly increased in response to resistance training (p < 0.05); however, supplementation had no effect (p > 0.05). All serum hormones (total and free testosterone, LH, GnRH, estradiol, cortisol, prolactin) were unaffected by resistance training (p > 0.05) or supplementation (p > 0.05). The gonadal hormones and cortisol and prolactin were unaffected by 28 days of NMDA supplementation and not associated with the observed increases in muscle strength and mass. At the dose provided, NMDA had no effect on HPG axis activity or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle.


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Some thoughts

*their population was young males, so I would say the same can be expected as what happened with the DAA study from this lab. DAA doesnts seem to do much when your T is within range. I don't see pre labs in the text but im mobile currently so might be just overlooking it. It also contains tonkat ali which has been shown to increase test some albeit in elderly so I believe it is the same thing here as well

*the *product* NMDA is a prop blend. It can very well be underdosed. They did not administer NDMA the compound but the product NMDA by muscle warfare.

*the lab did not test the product and instead accepted a COA from muscle warfare. Very well could be bunk.

*The clear takeaway here is the product NMDA by muscle warfare seems to be bunk
 
Some thoughts

*their population was young males, so I would say the same can be expected as what happened with the DAA study from this lab. DAA doesnts seem to do much when your T is within range. I don't see pre labs in the text but im mobile currently so might be just overlooking it. It also contains tonkat ali which has been shown to increase test some albeit in elderly so I believe it is the same thing here as well

*the *product* NMDA is a prop blend. It can very well be underdosed. They did not administer NDMA the compound but the product NMDA by muscle warfare.

*the lab did not test the product and instead accepted a COA from muscle warfare. Very well could be bunk.

*The clear takeaway here is the product NMDA by muscle warfare seems to be bunk

I wonder why they would study such an old product in 2014
 
I've used NMDA and DAA and noticed nothing from NMDA, this study doesn't surprise me although was poorly done. DAA is far superior in my opinion not to mention lack of safety studies on NMDA
 
I've been using NMDA for less than 2 weeks and have repeatedly got acne from it. Take from that what you will but in my opinion that's linked to increased test
 
so I never get acne, ever. suddenly I introduce a new supplement, with nothing else in my diet changes and within a couple of days I get acne? thats placebo? ":P"

Acne isn't always indicative of test boost.

You could be reacting to one of the fillers. What else is in the product besides NMDA?
 
N-methyl-d-aspartic acid-
Vitamin d3-
Boron-
Stinging Nettle Extract-
Macuna Pruiens-
Agmatine-

please note I have been taking all these in other products for the last couple of months and never got acne. I was on endosurge turbo, viron, i take 5000IU of vitamin d3 a day, and agmantine from Permaswole. The only thing different is NMDA. Sorry to bust ur balls dude, but its definitely working.

Also, when my friend took Paragon, by PNI, he got significant gains - which is NMDA, I believe
 
I think I may have worded my post wrong. The study design isn't bad, it just has some limitations that should prevent us from extrapolating too many conclusions, spcifically that the compound NMDA is bunk. The real take away from the study is the efficiency (or lack there of) of the product NMDA by muscle warefare. The study in the OP was a randomized double blind placebo controlled clinical study. It doesn't really get much better than that.
 
N-methyl-d-aspartic acid-
Vitamin d3-
Boron-
Stinging Nettle Extract-
Macuna Pruiens-
Agmatine-

please note I have been taking all these in other products for the last couple of months and never got acne. I was on endosurge turbo, viron, i take 5000IU of vitamin d3 a day, and agmantine from Permaswole. The only thing different is NMDA. Sorry to bust ur balls dude, but its definitely working.

Also, when my friend took Paragon, by PNI, he got significant gains - which is NMDA, I believe

Maybe you finally hit puberty? Could explain the acne as well.....
 
N-methyl-d-aspartic acid-
Vitamin d3-
Boron-
Stinging Nettle Extract-
Macuna Pruiens-
Agmatine-

please note I have been taking all these in other products for the last couple of months and never got acne. I was on endosurge turbo, viron, i take 5000IU of vitamin d3 a day, and agmantine from Permaswole. The only thing different is NMDA. Sorry to bust ur balls dude, but its definitely working.

Also, when my friend took Paragon, by PNI, he got significant gains - which is NMDA, I believe

Attributing gains in the gym + acne to "a testosterone boost" is a little far-fetched, no?
 
Im interested in your log of Most Wanted, hopefully you can make it to the gym more than 3 times in a row before a fortnight off in this one so maybe we can get some kind of decent anecdote .
 
Attributing gains in the gym + acne to "a testosterone boost" is a little far-fetched, no?

I never stated acne = raised testosterone, if you read the original statement , I said take from it why you will.

I would assume, key word being assume, acne , when acne isn't a regular occurrence , is attributed to an increase in test, especially when a new supplement is added.

This is just my understanding , could be competely wrong, and definitely not saying there is any science behind it coop
 
Im interested in your log of Most Wanted, hopefully you can make it to the gym more than 3 times in a row before a fortnight off in this one so maybe we can get some kind of decent anecdote .

I hear you and will do the product justice. I'm still training even though I'm away from home these 2 weeks just to keep my kingpin blog updated for you guys, even though it's costing me a bomb each time I gym, haha, as repayment for the insomnia stint. I just don't think it was worthwhile gyming when even seeing straight was an issue
 
I never stated acne = raised testosterone, if you read the original statement , I said take from it why you will.

I would assume, key word being assume, acne , when acne isn't a regular occurrence , is attributed to an increase in test, especially when a new supplement is added.

This is just my understanding , could be competely wrong, and definitely not saying there is any science behind it coop

Acne is one of those things where everyone is different. I get my worst flairs during poor sleep habits or lots of sweating/heat. Also, LH may have a stronger tie to acne than T as per recent data, and we do know nmda at least has strong potential to elevate LH
 
Im interested in your log of Most Wanted, hopefully you can make it to the gym more than 3 times in a row before a fortnight off in this one so maybe we can get some kind of decent anecdote .

I hear you and will do the product justice. I'm still training even though I'm away from home these 2 weeks just to keep my kingpin blog updated for you guys, even though it's costing me a bomb each time I gym, haha, as repayment for the insomnia stint. I just don't think it was worthwhile gyming when even seeing straight was an issue

So he's taking the product with barely training? @_@

Isn't the whole point of an "ecdy" product increased recovery? So if anything you should be hitting the gym SIX times rather than three. But then again ecdy might or might not work and mixel already stated he doesn't have high hopes for kingpin, so...
 
I haven't started the edcy product yet. He's talking about a test booster.

And what he said is hugely exaggerated. In a fortnight I trained 7/14 times instead of 10/14.
 
So he's taking the product with barely training? @_@ Isn't the whole point of an "ecdy" product increased recovery? So if anything you should be hitting the gym SIX times rather than three. But then again ecdy might or might not work and mixel already stated he doesn't have high hopes for kingpin, so...

More so very inconsistent training regiment. I have no idea how the bloke trains, form etc.
 
More so very inconsistent training regiment. I have no idea how the bloke trains, form etc.

LAME!

Sorry. It's just inconsistency and disregard for programs, etc. just rubs me the wrong way.

The product needs a high training regimen to elicit any recovery abilities.
 
LAME!

Sorry. It's just inconsistency and disregard for programs, etc. just rubs me the wrong way.

The product needs a high training regimen to elicit any recovery abilities.

Agreed. I'm almost 40 and train heavy compound lifts four days a week ;)
 
Agreed. I'm almost 40 and train heavy compound lifts four days a week ;)

If either of you read the log instead of posting things which are irrelevant , you would see that I went through an extremely bad stint of insomnia, and only missed 3 workouts in 2 weeks.

I'm sure neither of you have ever been ill or something because heaven forbid missing a single gym session when it's out of your control
 
If either of you read the log instead of posting things which are irrelevant , you would see that I went through an extremely bad stint of insomnia, and only missed 3 workouts in 2 weeks.

I'm sure neither of you have ever been ill or something because heaven forbid missing a single gym session when it's out of your control

Fair enough.
 
No qualms with you bro, you're always a guy to give people compliments and cheer them on, just don't think people should be judged for missing a couple of gym sessions that's all.

Much love dude <3

Right, on brother. I guess I was so hell bent on my weight loss that it made me never miss unless absolutely necessary ;)
 
No qualms with you bro, you're always a guy to give people compliments and cheer them on, just don't think people should be judged for missing a couple of gym sessions that's all. Much love dude <3

Not trying to pay out on you for having an illness, but i just feel when a company is giving someone a product to log for them, it should be done consistently and a regiment should be adhered to so decently accurate results can be interpreted. For instance, i actually got offered to log this product but had to turn it down because of a situation with an ill family member at them mement. i didn't feel right taking a companies product to log if there is that chance i wouldnt be consistent and actually give it a fair run.

Just something to think about man.
 
Interesting study. I remember the fear initially was with the safety of this ingredient. Glad to know to skip out on this one for the sake of a lack of efficacy too.
 
Not trying to pay out on you for having an illness, but i just feel when a company is giving someone a product to log for them, it should be done consistently and a regiment should be adhered to so decently accurate results can be interpreted. For instance, i actually got offered to log this product but had to turn it down because of a situation with an ill family member at them mement. i didn't feel right taking a companies product to log if there is that chance i wouldnt be consistent and actually give it a fair run. Just something to think about man.

IF kindly gave me a bottle to log. I actually bought 2, so will be giving the product a fair run for sure, hope you agree with that
 
Not trying to pay out on you for having an illness, but i just feel when a company is giving someone a product to log for them, it should be done consistently and a regiment should be adhered to so decently accurate results can be interpreted. For instance, i actually got offered to log this product but had to turn it down because of a situation with an ill family member at them mement. i didn't feel right taking a companies product to log if there is that chance i wouldnt be consistent and actually give it a fair run. Just something to think about man.

Will probably also be buying another bottle of most wanted out of my own pocket to give it an 8 week run, as usually with anabolics they start getting great around weeks 2-3 and by then the run is almost over
 
This is the product NMDA, not actual NMDA. There is next to no NMDA in this product. Wasted study is wasted.
 
This is the product NMDA, not actual NMDA. There is next to no NMDA in this product. Wasted study is wasted.

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I gotta agree with you there.

However, the jury is still out on NMDA as a recomp agent/test booster.

It could just be a very good nootropic that provides the "feeling" of a test boost or at least what people might think is a test boost(I.e. Unchecked aggression, thoughts of delusion, acne, Yada Yada) When in reality these are DHT-type sides, so maybe supps with NMDA do something with/to DHT? @_@
 
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