Whats funny.....is YOU need better reading comprehension skills.
Your own label states there is rice flour. This is a filler correct? Or is there some other reason its in there?
Is it or is it not the exact same filler we use? Just checking because your implying only we use it.
So while you say we obviously need a filler you must as well BECAUSE THE SAME THING IS IN YOUR PRODUCT!
Probably you have no idea though as this is evident in several ways.
You also are either lazy or have no idea what your product is because your website says its a prohormone and the nutriverse website says its both a test booster and a prohormone.
So...go spend your time copying other peoples products as clearly you dont have the mind to create your own.
Brundel, this has gone on long enough. It is time to put on your big boy business man pants and understand that this is the way the industry works. In fact, this is the way all industries work. Actually, this might refresh your memory on how the industry works my friend:
Formeron is one of your flagship products, correct? Brb getting the CEL guys to come in here and bitch about you stealing their idea.
Ya see, Mr holier than thou business man, you yourself have a clone of a product that was out far before you even considered starting a supplement company. That little tidbit of information puts a little kink in your hissy fit, no? It is absolutely atrocious to see a successful business man such as yourself conduct himself in the manner you choose to. How is Follidrone selling? Very well, correct? I thought so. Maybe you should "go spend your time copying other peoples products" instead of taking to the internet to bad mouth a company with a competing product.
Oh and as for your labs....
They dont prove anything. If you like I can publicly tell everyone why. Its likely....you dont even know.
In fact IM sure you dont know or you would be embarrassed that you posted it.
Either way. Everyone is gonna know soon. I promise.
Please, like OL said enlighten everyone on how factual lab results don't prove what ingredient was sourced. You can't Brundel, and you know that. All you're doing here is attempting to put doubt in the consumers mind without any idea on how to do so. You and I both know if you had some big ace up your sleeve theory, that actually had footing, you would have already mentioned it.
Here is what your post boils down to - a whole lot of "oh yeah, well, nuh uh cuz um I'm arguing, so there!"
Here is what we at Olympus Labs are telling the public - "We have evidence (lab reports) that what we have put in our product is in fact Epicatechin with a remarkably high purity, AT 300 mg per cap, with no proprietary blend..."
Please continue your idol threats of "you'll see" or "everyone is gonna know soon"
This isn't high school, you need a little more credible evidence than that and I know you know that. You're letting your emotions get to you, which is not an advantageous route to go down with business. Clean it up a little. People will respect you more when you conduct yourself professionally instead of in a tyrannical whirlwind of emotions.
Oh I will.
I have real ones.
Yours would only be passable to a child. Probably not even a child.
Again.....you only make yourself look foolish by saying they are valid.
If it is so easily explainable then please post it up. Otherwise move on man.
You have no point.
Pointless.
A good example of a product with no filler.....ALL of my other products.
Nothing but actives.
Except our transdermal of course which has a TD matrix.
Again.....your deception tactics dont change the truth.
Saying there is no filler in the actives makes no sense.
ITS ALL IN THE SAME CAPSULE.
Doesnt matter if you pretend its somehow compartmentalized.
Probably.....you dont even understand this.
Perhaps spend some time doing something besides copying everyone else and youll understand even some of what your doing and saying.
YOU dont even understand what your saying.
Deception tactics? Again you're letting emotion get to you and you're not thinking clearly. You're saying we are being deceptive. The problem with that argument is that the consumer can see clear as day that there is zero deception going on. We hide behind nothing. If a customer EVER doubts what we are producing or what they are getting, it's as easy as looking at the lab reports. Again since you are so dismissive of lab reports, they are evidence of the ingredient being purchased. That my friend is the complete opposite of being deceptive. That is complete and total transparency.
In regards to your write-up/label obsession, get over it. There were a number of responses - in the thread you so graciously trolled - saying that they understood that we were stating that there is 300 mg of Epicatechin, the active ingredient, not in a proprietary blend in our product. Actually I feel a thank you is warranted, so thank you, now your customers and ours know exactly what was meant by that in our write-up. EP1C contains 300 mg of Epicatechin not in a proprietary blend, which is all that was meant. I suppose the verbiage could have been chosen a little better but hey man we're a new company not unlike yourself. There will obviously bumps along the way. I'm assuming you know about this as in the beginning of Follidrone you were sending like 30 units at a time, right? It takes time.
You keep taking shots at originality and it's become absolutely tiresome, so again, moot point, you have no footing to stand on in regards to producing a compound that another company has. One. Of. The. Products. That. Helped. Fund. Proviron. And. Follidrone. IS A CLONE! Here one more time just in case:
You have voiced your concerns, rightfully so, no problem. If you have concerns voice them. We love the feedback it helps keep us on our toes and operating at the level we'd like to operate. The filler thing seems a little confusing, cool, no problem we'll work on taking care of it. Problem solved. It may take a bit as most of our customers are understanding what we're getting at but we've definitely taken notice that it may be confusing. In regards to ingredient discrepancies we're going to have to humbly agree to disagree. There is clearly no middle ground there, we've offered lab results etc with no apparent possibility for a resolution. Nutriverse labeled EP1C as something else, well, we don't own Nutriverse, so unfortunately until they can resolve it within the company I'm having a hard time grasping what sort of fault of our own that is. I can tell you that we've launched a ton of new product so maybe they are overloaded with OL products, who knows. Moving on...
From here on forward I expect that we can conduct ourselves with a mutual respect. Not for us as men but for the companies and the consumer. Why did you start a supplement company in the first place? Besides the American Dream. The consumer man. From the anecdotal reports Follidrone is a slam dunk, bravo and congratulations! The consumer does not gain a single thing when they see companies engaging in backdoor gossiping or slandering of other companies. They just don't. BLR and Olympus Labs are both very much about the consumer, let's remember that when things like this occur. This won't be the first time for either companies to have competing entities trying to climb in the ring and take a piece. There is zero reason to start smear campaigns attempting to discredit the other. Instead let's just make products for the consumers and let the products do the talking.
For the other forum readers: just let this die, don't go all gang colors on it and add more fuel to the fire, it's unnecessary. Eat some ****ing chicken and go hit the weights!
Good luck,
-V