funkd0c
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Can you explain why you would want to dose Phosphatidyl Serine pre workout?
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kisaj
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It's been shown to help with performance, fatigue, recovery, and concentration during physical activity.
33127
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I only take PS before I do stressful-extensive cardio like Boxing, never take it any other time.
to help with cortisol and over-training, i do 2 a days where i lift weights in the morning and go to the boxing gym at night.
i couldnt do 2 a days without it. i tried before and ill wake up in the morning feeling drained and weak. ill literally have to sleep 8-10 hours to function. when i started taking PS and Alpha-GPC before my boxing i wake up feeling good for the day, despite getting my ass kicked night prior and with 6 hours of sleep ill wake up and deadlift, squat, OHP, bench with no problem
33127
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33127
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funkd0c
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Ok, it was my impression that you want cortisol high during exercise. So I thought dosing PS after workout would be more beneficial. But I do understand taking PS for over training.
brundel
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I still haven't got any
I got 50% of the UK orders done today as well as expressed Orbits product.
Ill finish UK tomorrow then restart US shipping.
Be patient Im working as fast as I can to get product out.
Also
1/3 of the next batch of (-)-epicatechin showed today. Hopefully I can close the gap quickly this time and have little to no lapse in supply.
33127
Banned
With boxing it leaves u very stressed and mentally drained then how top of that the over extensive cardio aspect of it
Need something to combat that
This is my theory at least not saying I'm right lol it works for my case tho
And yea I heard what u said before saw a little discussion on here bout it I don't see the need for it with weight training , weight training stress and a combat sport are two different worlds in terms of stress
Battossi
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Cortisol is actually a healthy response by the body. If your cortisol is within high ranges ...that's a medical issue not a supplement issue. Contrary to popular belief cortisol helps repair after a workout. In theory if you have to low cortisol you could actually be counter productive.
Regular exercise however intense should not induce out of normal cortisol levels unless you train 12 hrs+ a day like say olympic athletes. They usually have ways to combat this. Painkillers, xanax, sleeping pills ect.
Not steroids.... they chronically raise cortisol in most cases.
The more you know
theniteman
Active member
Anyone get a shipping confirmation from Orbit yet?
Battossi
Member
Right but within normal ranges is no harm.
houstontexas
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When you mention express shipping Orbits product that is talking about what went on sale during the SHR spot? That would explain why I haven't gotten a shipping confirmation yet if that's what you are referring to.
LimmetLess
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I bet you could make a fortune in pre-sales so that you can meet the demands of everyone buying this.
I'm not sure what your profit margin is but do something like $125 for 4 bottles guaranteed pre-sale pricing and you can EASILY supply the demand.
No wait = Happy Customers
I'm not sure what your profit margin is but do something like $125 for 4 bottles guaranteed pre-sale pricing and you can EASILY supply the demand.
No wait = Happy Customers
fightnews
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Ya but we can discredit your lack of production on the stuff. Ive never seen this type of thing with a supplement and its not just because its a hot item. Your idea of a "big" order is 500 bottles. It's a little frustrating when you want something and you are told to wait 2 weeks, then 2 weeks goes by and you sell out of it in 5 minutes because you only made 20 bottles, now its another 2 weeks. Very not cool broWell we decided to let reviews and logs do the talking and we gave it to alot of reputable members for logging.
There is solid research supporting it.
Extremely solid reviews and logs all of which support my initial claims.
At this point any attempt to discredit the product just makes someone look bad because all of the evidence stacks against them.
I gave an honest, true account of how the stuff worked in trials...people thought it was a joke.
Bold claims. I know....
But when...ever....has a product lived up to such bold claims? Ever?
Maybe a steroid sold as a supp. Other than that ive never seen a natural supp work like this.
Guys can try to discredit it all they want....the truth is out now
LimmetLess
New member
Definitely! And no need to try the USP Labs 'scarcity of ingredients due to harvest times' tactic they desperately tried to pawn off on us with Pink Magic, haha.
Man those guys are good at marketing.
HTGduck
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Piston Honda
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I'd rather it be done by hand carefully. There's tons of mass-produced garbage in the supplement world. Brundel doesn't seem to be a big operation, so cut him some slack. I'd imagine if you actually got your hands on Follidrone you wouldn't be so butthurt.
ijohan
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I usually order from TGB because as far as I know it's the only store that ship to Indonesia.
brundel
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Yes for yesterdays sale. Expressed so he will get it tomorrow. Shipping will start tomorrow late or the next day early.
brundel
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Then you can loan me the 20000$+ it costs to run a 1000 unit batch.
I made 500. Who knew it would sell out in a couple days. Not me or anyone else.
I had 500 ordered behind this. Again...over 10k each.
and 1000 ordered behind that. So thats about 50k I put out in a month or so. You may have money like this laying around. I do not.
On top of it we have yet to be paid for pretty much any of the product sold.
Feel free to contribute to the supply fund.
Ill send you my paypal info
We have never had less than 500 at a time. When it sells at 10 units per min it goes fast.
I dont know who told you another two weeks though.
I just shipped 70 today to Orbit and 100 to JW and more tomorrow and so on.
Also feel free to come on down and help me fill boxes. You have nothing better to do than speak negatively. I could put you to work.
Touey
Well-known member
Then you can loan me the 20000$+ it costs to run a 1000 unit batch.
I made 500. Who knew it would sell out in a couple days. Not me or anyone else.
I had 500 ordered behind this. Again...over 10k each.
and 1000 ordered behind that. So thats about 50k I put out in a month or so. You may have money like this laying around. I do not.
On top of it we have yet to be paid for pretty much any of the product sold.
Feel free to contribute to the supply fund.
Ill send you my paypal info
We have never had less than 500 at a time. When it sells at 10 units per min it goes fast.
I dont know who told you another two weeks though.
I just shipped 70 today to Orbit and 100 to JW and more tomorrow and so on.
Also feel free to come on down and help me fill boxes. You have nothing better to do than speak negatively. I could put you to work.
you need funds, I want stock, reasonable? plus I'll help fill boxes
mr.cooper69
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[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Actually. Every single supplement is prone to placebo. Glutamine and arginine are great examples. No product is immune and no person is immune. I respect you Brundel, but to rule out placebo in any situation is to rule out one of the fundamental tenets of how the world works. If it delivers, that's great and I want to use it. But will I expect a 100lb increase in lifts? No. Would you go and tell me to expect this? No. Because you are a realist and so am I. And that's really all I'm saying in my original post, which is that the best gauge of the products effects will be from those with results "in the middle of the road." I'm not sure why this is such a point of contention; everyone knows there are non responders and placebo-driven outliers, and my point is both fair and valid. Any product should be gauged this way, because every product is prone to placebo to a degree.[/FONT]
brundel
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Its a point of contention for several reasons.
1. for some reason you only post negative text or....partially positive with an underhanded negative. IE Im sure it works but I expect alot of it is placebo.
Ive literally not once seen you post just some positive contribution. Ever I dont think. At least not with regards to us. Its literally always a contradiction. Considering all of our products are awesome and we have only positive reviews on every product we make this is suspect wouldn't you say?
I see you post positive stuff about the brands you represent though so...is it just us that you do this with?
I should ask. Are you also saying the same things in evomuse threads? Their product is placebo or is it just here? I sure hope not just here.
2. So far there is no reason to assume placebo when literally everyone is seeing the same results. This includes trial members who had no idea what they were eating or what to expect and...had no communication with each other. Same results. No knowledge or expectations. For all they knew they were eating chick peas. Placebo is something that does happen no doubt but it only happens when people have some idea what to expect. For example telling someone your feeding them steroids. Our 10 trial members were told nothing. Same results as in reviews here. Did they guess what would happen with every other tester? This is impossible. Placebo generally only applies when someone believes something is going to happen. What about the results posted from all the previous skeptics? At this point there is no reason to attribute the results to placebo.
I cant guarantee youll gain 100lbs on your deadlift and I never promised anyone this would happen.
What I did say was its happened before.
A bunch of guys have got close in reviews so...95, 85, 75 lbs increase on lifts. Tons of PRs. A bunch of added reps to 1rm.
Several gained 10lbs which was another argued point. IM not sure how placebo makes you grow larger but if it did more **** products would work.
When is it no longer something you can dispute? We have sold almost 1000 units now and youll be hard pressed to find an unhappy customer.
If its a placebo...Ill go down in history as introducing the greatest placebo effect ever
StellaArtois
Member
Your not stuffing low dose ph in there are you. I'll buy it seems like people are having good runs on it and not just reps.
brundel
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We only have 1 active rep so....its def not just reps
Our 1 rep did have a great review but it was up before he was a rep so I think it still applies as a non rep review.
You have my word we are not stuffing anything in there thats not on the label. Our raw material control is very high and we dont just order stuff from wherever.
brundel
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Once I get repaid for everything thats been sent out we will be fine.
I had to dig deep though to get the next 1000. this is 200% of previous orders.
Then Ill do 2000
then 4 then 8000 if I have to until demand is met.
We are in communication with some large vendors like GNC and others currently so 8000 monthly is likely going to be needed here soon.
Im doing my best.
Keep in mind Id be making a killing right now if I could keep up.
Driven2lift
Legend
Glad to see Folli is taking BLR to the next level.
Means big things in the future and for the effort we've seen put into your products and helping customers in the past you deserve it
Means big things in the future and for the effort we've seen put into your products and helping customers in the past you deserve it
kisaj
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We only have 1 active rep so....its def not just reps
Our 1 rep did have a great review but it was up before he was a rep so I think it still applies as a non rep review.
You have my word we are not stuffing anything in there thats not on the label. Our raw material control is very high and we dont just order stuff from wherever.
It should definitely count as a non rep review. I had nothing at all to gain from embellishing so there would be no point.
mr.cooper69
Legend
Last comment here and I'm frankly almost dissuaded from giving it a shot at this point. I have never posted negatively about follidrone. I'm a realist. I post information based on fact. I made a comment on bioavailability and ways to overcome it: that was grounded in fact. Everyone and every substance is prone to placebo, that's why we run placebo controlled trials. That's a fact. If you'd like to deny these points, then we have nothing further to talk about. [FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]You take my comments so personally but this is literally how I approach any supplement. I'm commenting on follidrone because it's the talk of the forum, nothing more. Unlike you, who has openly bashed many of my company's products, I have only spoken negatively about one of yours (prolactrone) and that was with regards to the role of egcg in the product. That's it. Stop being so resistant to criticism, especially that which isn't even negative.[/FONT]
33127
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Product so great we don't need a mr. Cooper co-sign , keep it moving
Power-Lift
Active member
It's good to be skeptical, to see what happens when it is out there for a while, then make a decision based on real world results.
No need to bash anything, just play it smart.
I myself also don't buy into the early logging results, I just wait for things to be out for a while. (Remember things like Pink Magic?). Touted as the greatest thing ever, was a dud, only after a **** ton of bottles were sold, and money was made. (Theres many others just like it). If you don't believe the hype, wait it out, see what happens. No one forces your $$$ away from you. Like any supp, a quick search and you can buy the raws for not much $$$.
The supp industry is what it is, be smart about it... I'm actually looking FWD to see how Follidrone (or the (-) EPI in it) plays out.
No need to bash anything, just play it smart.
I myself also don't buy into the early logging results, I just wait for things to be out for a while. (Remember things like Pink Magic?). Touted as the greatest thing ever, was a dud, only after a **** ton of bottles were sold, and money was made. (Theres many others just like it). If you don't believe the hype, wait it out, see what happens. No one forces your $$$ away from you. Like any supp, a quick search and you can buy the raws for not much $$$.
The supp industry is what it is, be smart about it... I'm actually looking FWD to see how Follidrone (or the (-) EPI in it) plays out.
kisaj
Legend
I think a lot of users try to steer clear of your comments because of backlash, but I think you need to get over yourself a bit. You are not the authority walking around these boards making or breaking companies. You want to try it and see what everyone else has- go for it. You are "dissuaded"? No one cares. I hope you stick to your comment and have this be the last you post here because the passive aggressive approach and back handed compliments that you try to turn around are annoying and immature.
Piston Honda
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Seems as though Follidrone is a TRUE "physique enhancing supplement." Received mine yesterday and am anxious to start 'er up
rphash49
Well-known member
Lmao! Someone sits on a very high horse.
I also see it as unprofessional for a company rep to go into another companies paid subforum and criticize its products. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong idk
z28spd
New member
Cortisol is actually a healthy response by the body. If your cortisol is within high ranges ...that's a medical issue not a supplement issue. Contrary to popular belief cortisol helps repair after a workout. In theory if you have to low cortisol you could actually be counter productive.
Regular exercise however intense should not induce out of normal cortisol levels unless you train 12 hrs+ a day like say olympic athletes. They usually have ways to combat this. Painkillers, xanax, sleeping pills ect.
Not steroids.... they chronically raise cortisol in most cases.
The more you know
This, chronically elevated cortisol is the only thing you should worry about.
Touey
Well-known member
I think perhaps the thinking is more Europa and getting it to brick and mortars not GNC / Vitamin Shoppe per se, yeah they will gouge you quickly, then leave your supplements sitting upon the shelf only to sell a knock off of it in their brand
Touey
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much of what you say is true, if you want to beat on the doors of independents throughout the country it will save and bring value to those buying in brick and mortars, but it can't hurt to offer it through Europa as well; it will help maximize visibility plus if a store sells well they may simply contact the vendor directly
Touey
Well-known member
i own stock in several health food stores and if you get to know your rep. "at least from the dealings I've had with Europa" they will be honest with you about what products are "good" / "hot" products. Though they push some products they'll also be honest
brundel
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And...I have no reason to argue with you. I dont plan on talking about arimistane any longer. People can decide for themselves.
Or ARA. They have google. None of my comments in that regard were aimed at you or them really. Just an honest assessment of widely used ingredients.
My concern sir is that every single post is a criticism. That was my whole point.
Why must it ALWAYS be about a contradiction?
Cant you, just once, say something positive?
I know your an intelligent guy and I dont at all mind debating or conversing with you.
I dont appreciate constant negativity though.
You know those guys who always chime in with something negative to say....is this who you want to be?
Perhaps you can comment on all the positive research behind the compound.
Or all the positive reviews.
Or its potential to help people with disease if a medicine is created.
Or the giant wake its making in the industry.
Or discuss long term potential....
Or....
I could go on and on. PLenty of good things to say.
Please, just for once, have a positive contribution with no negative.
Constant criticism is negative.
brundel
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Thanks, and I know your right.
Trust me the big guys are trying to bring down the price on everything. The good news is this stuff is so hot right now I have some leverage.
GNC may not be the best option but its hard to turn down the opp for the sales increase.
But there are a ton more.....As soon as heavy sales started my inbox blew up...lots of companies Ive been trying to contact for a year + with no response all of a sudden are interested. This is great of course but IM not exactly prepared....Time to ramp up production.
brundel
Board Sponsor
I can understand the part about fast growth bankrupting you....This recent surge has my bank accounts drained to fill demand and with term 30 on some it kills me. This is why supply is short. Hopefully soon this will change as checks start rolling in.
I cant supply someone like Europa or GNC currently....
I have to make some pretty drastic changes here over the next month or so....This is my first rodeo in the supp industry. I have some good friends here though and have made some strong business relationships which helps.
Scivation has survived and thrived for over 10 years if Im not mistaken.....
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Yes sir, thank you.
There is a reason Kasaj was chosen
Several actually but his ability to deal with things in my absence is one of them.
33127
Banned
pay for shipping and give me 50$ ill give u one of mines
kisaj
Legend
That sounds like a deal. Very nice of you.
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