Craigmatthew
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What i mean is that is is ready to go, needs to be mass produced still and we are still decided whether to release it or not! Eric told me this is some potent stuff!
New Ecdy Product - LegalGear
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What i mean is that is is ready to go, needs to be mass produced still and we are still decided whether to release it or not! Eric told me this is some potent stuff!
Craigmatthew
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Craigmatthew
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If you guys keep asking for it, it might convince Eric to release it under our label.
LG Sciences
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If you guys really want it, I could be convinced, but it would take a lot to get the word out and I'd need your help. Legit ecdy products are few and far between so, most people are doubters.
strategicmove
Legend
With a good complex of ecdysteroids and synergists logged by a set of dedicated testers on adequate protein-biased macronutrient intake, the doubters would have their answer.
LG Sciences
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Agreed, this has all the potential, I just don't want people saying "aw, just another ecdy product"
strategicmove
Legend
That initial reaction by some may be unavoidable. Yet, once testers and pro-ecdy users try the product and word-of-mouth propaganda spreads, the product, if it truly packs a punch, should be able to establish itself as a game-changer.
MentalTwitch
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Im down.
strategicmove
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Irish Cannon
Legend
From what I understand, the only reason ecdy is really put down so heavily is because the products people have used are heavily under-dosed. I know Rodja is a big ecdy fan, and a few others on this forum. I think he should be one of the testers, and I'm sure he knows some other ecdy fans out there.
As aforementioned, with the inevitable future ban and restrictions, there will be a great need for a product like this.
As aforementioned, with the inevitable future ban and restrictions, there will be a great need for a product like this.
strategicmove
Legend
That is one reason. Another is the specific extraction for ecdysteroids. Related to this is the incredible disparity in the qualitative range of ecdysterone raw materials, spanning from the very cheap and practically useless to the extremely pure/potent and significantly expensive. Yet another reason is the sub-par intake of proteins with ecdysteroid use in non-responders. And so on. These combined to compromise the reputation and significance of these compounds in bodybuilding.
Irish Cannon
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Yes, I shouldn't have said "only reason." - Very good points.
poison
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I kind of have a problem with this, strategic. Every ecdy product recommends upping protein above your normal consumprtion. Generally if you up your protein intake, you'll gain mass, providing you do something to require it's utilization. You could give someone a placebo, and if they added 1000cal a day, they'll gain mass. Ooo, sugar pills work!
I want to see someone with a long standing perfect diet and workout take ecdy and realize the hype, without changing anything else. Then I'll believe. But adding 100gr of protein a day, and 4lbs bw in a month, and blaming it on ecdy, is a bit misleading, imo.
LG Sciences
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I still 100% disagree with the multiple ecdy theory. A molecule is a molecule. If there is a gmass spec on ecdy at 98+% then where it comes from is irrelevant.
strategicmove
Legend
If one's protein intake is already high enough (2-3g protein per kg of bodyweight), increasing it even further may not produce linear returns. The point is to ensure insufficient protein intake does not act as a limting factor for muscle-tissue growth. Put differently, any compound that induces an anabolic (and anti-catabolic) environment by amplifying the rate of protein synthesis and nitrogen retention (more specifically, positive nitrogen balance) will produce sub-optimal results in the presence of inadequate protein intake.
strategicmove
Legend
I am not entirely sure if this comment was triggered by anything I wrote. I agree that "a gmass spec on ecdy at 98+%" is a gmass spec on ecdy at 98+%, regardless of source, in the sense of Leuzea/Rhaponticum carthamoides, Cyanotis vaga/arachnoides, Pfaffia/Suma, Spinach, or other sources of ecdysteroids. My earlier reference to sources was more in terms of the disparity in the quality of raw materials offered by (raw-material) suppliers in the market.
Vengeance187
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I've tried Mass FX Maximum Strength, Activate Xtreme, Activate Xtreme + ATD, and Sci Fit T7. T7 blew them all out of the water. Compared to T7, Mass FX was a disappointment(to be fair, I was taking the minimum dose of 4/day of MFX and the max dose of 6/day of T7, so it may have been different if I tried 6/day of MFX, maybe not). My libido went nuts on T7(not to mention "they" grew noticeably). I was never that horny as a teenager(I'm 26 now). It also gave me the greatest recomp compared to the other products(same diet/workouts). It has the effective dose of 600mg of ecdysterone a day. It also has another novel compound called 5-Methyl-7-Isoflavone(methoxyisoflavone) in it's effective dose of 400mg/day, as well as 1g of trib, 1g of longjack, 800mg zma, 200mg 6-oxo, and 100mg of dhb to help absorption. The only problem is it's $80 for a 30 day supply. I would love to try a pure ecdy product to see how much of the positive effects were from that, and how much was from the synergy of all the ingredients. I just finished a pulse cycle of epi, and I still say T7 is the best supplement I've tried so far.
Which product was he saying is "INSANE"? The GH product, or the Ecdy?
Mr.50
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LG I would be willing to try it and give some honest feedback. I have been around a while with experience with lots of different compounds ........lots of experience with ecdy products in the past with no luck so I am in the non-believer catagory but I do believe in all of your other products. Also evenough I am not a beliver I do believe it could be because of poor formulation/delivery.......just offering if you are looking for someone. Sure there are tons of others offering too.......
Liftergym33
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Both
, IMO with all the PH stuff going on these days this stuff is going to be beyond top notch after talking to LG!
scoooter
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Bunch of hype building IMO. ok, so its "too strong" to be released or "we don't want it to be treated as an ecdy product" Either bring it to market and let the masses decide or shelv the whole thing.
As you might tell I'm a little irritated and its only due to the potential that the product would only be released to a select few logger's
As you might tell I'm a little irritated and its only due to the potential that the product would only be released to a select few logger's
Irish Cannon
Legend
Bunch of hype building IMO. ok, so its "too strong" to be released or "we don't want it to be treated as an ecdy product" Either bring it to market and let the masses decide or shelv the whole thing.
As you might tell I'm a little irritated and its only due to the potential that the product would only be released to a select few logger's
I think Eric has legitimate concerns. Regardless of how good of a product it is, if people have their mind set that Ecdy is crap, they won't buy it.
scoooter
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Understood - ecdy has its past reputation which is another topic for debate entirely. I'm pro ecdy and axious to try this product, is it aka Natadrol ??
So as a consumer wanting to try this product I urge them to release it !
I do not want to wait through weeks/months of logs......urrrgh
If the businessmen have to change everyones mind set first then it'll take a much longer time as well. All supplements are trial an error and judged by the jury called AM subscribers (or other fitness forums).
BBB
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Although LG has produced some effective products in the past I have never seen a GH releaser that actually worked. Moreover, if it did actually provide something more than a momentary spike in GH, I would have concerns about unduly increasing IGF-1. High levels of IGF-1 are contraindicated in all forms of cancer.
Ecdy products have been around a long time and no one has been able to make them effective as bodybuilding supplements to date. I love the concept of health promoting bodybuilding supplements. I have personally megadosed on ecdy products in the past with negligible results.
LG Sciences
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I have too. I once took 1200mg of ecdy and NADA...however I have also taken one that worked and I know people who have pinned it and it worked well. It all comes down to bioavailability IMHO.
I think this one is going to be good once we decide what we want to do with it. I'll know in another week or so. It's a good product and I think it could be something that will blow people away.
I am also working with Seth on cofactors that increase the potency of ecdy. This is where the magic will happen.
I think this one is going to be good once we decide what we want to do with it. I'll know in another week or so. It's a good product and I think it could be something that will blow people away.
I am also working with Seth on cofactors that increase the potency of ecdy. This is where the magic will happen.
LG Sciences
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Also, I never said "Too strong to be released" or any crap like that. I am more of the mindset that we want people to know our stuff isn't just crap thrown into a bottle. I hate getting lumped in with the dreggs. I think you are going to see that 2010 is the year of LG
Craigmatthew
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Lg is taking over man! Now we have the staples coming, the anabolics and the crew for support!
Vengeance187
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Mixelflick
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I'd like to try this product and have quite the history with Ecdy. Looking forward to it as LG has had some winners in the past...
LG Sciences
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You will be my first choice Mixel since you are the Ecdy GURU. Also, we will have co-factors that boost the effects of ecdy. It's fairly well established that ecdy works and how it may work, now we need to make it more effective.
Rodja
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Someone said Ecdy?
I have used ecdy more than most (15+ times) and have found that using it with some piperine and quercetin helps the efficacy and cuts down the dose. 600mg of active produces solid anabolic effects and is ideal for a recomp.
BBB
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Transdermals are fine as long as product transferal is not a problem. In the past I used transdermal called Trenabol-X designed by Big Cat. It was the most effective PH I have ever encountered. I LOVE the stuff. Grew like weed and no sides except for a few zits on my shoulders.
Mixelflick
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Very generous of you. By the way, look what I just came across:
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Yep, those are the ORIGINAL Zoe Discoveries Ecdysterone and Zebutol products from back in the day, formulated by Mark Thierman. Also pictured is the Maxwell Research Anabolica product, which curiously enough I also found out was made by Thierman. Currently trying to find a lab that can test them to find out once and for all.... what was really in them!
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Yep, those are the ORIGINAL Zoe Discoveries Ecdysterone and Zebutol products from back in the day, formulated by Mark Thierman. Also pictured is the Maxwell Research Anabolica product, which curiously enough I also found out was made by Thierman. Currently trying to find a lab that can test them to find out once and for all.... what was really in them!
Mixelflick
Active member
One other note I found of interest..
I had used both the Zeb and Anabolica prior. I also used several bottles of the very limited run of ZOE's Hexandrolone product, circa 1993-94 which was fantastic. What I never used was their "Ecdysterone" product.
These turned out to be 5-alpha hydroxy laxogenin sublinguals, albeit 1.5mgs vs. Anabolica's 5mg/tab. The active here is the same in both products, although Anabolica lists an acetate.
Whatever the case, I commend LegalGear for advancing the state of the art within this class of product. It holds tremendous promise, especially in light of the current pro-hormone hysteria.
I had used both the Zeb and Anabolica prior. I also used several bottles of the very limited run of ZOE's Hexandrolone product, circa 1993-94 which was fantastic. What I never used was their "Ecdysterone" product.
These turned out to be 5-alpha hydroxy laxogenin sublinguals, albeit 1.5mgs vs. Anabolica's 5mg/tab. The active here is the same in both products, although Anabolica lists an acetate.
Whatever the case, I commend LegalGear for advancing the state of the art within this class of product. It holds tremendous promise, especially in light of the current pro-hormone hysteria.
Craigmatthew
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Awesome info man, hopefully Eric decides to bring this to the market under our label
GuyverX
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Awesome info man, hopefully Eric decides to bring this to the market under our label
You guys might bring out the 'laxogenin' as well?
Have seen some great info on that and only small doses are needed.
LG Sciences
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That is part of the co-factor's I am talking about... Mixel, you should PM me your info, maybe we can talk and you can help formulate the final version.
Mixelflick
Active member
Done.
Very grateful for the opportunity. Will do whatever I can to help....
Very grateful for the opportunity. Will do whatever I can to help....
LG Sciences
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I think with what we bring to the table and what Mixel brings to the table, we should have the most effective ecdy product ever produced!
The Penetration Enhancers I use are off the hook, now to just dial them in for ecdy. Adding in 20H with Mixel's research and Seth's co-factors (which help stimulate the ecdy pathways) should give this a real chance of being GREAT!
The Penetration Enhancers I use are off the hook, now to just dial them in for ecdy. Adding in 20H with Mixel's research and Seth's co-factors (which help stimulate the ecdy pathways) should give this a real chance of being GREAT!