New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !

[BBB]

I'm at 24 days and not really seeing a great deal of improvement yet. I started at 8 cps/day the first week and increased to 12 cps/day thereafter. I typically follow a lot fat and low (simple) carb diet. I'm not sure I was taking enough fat at each serving to really enhance absorption initially. I'm being more conscience about insuring that I take at least a small amount of fat with each serving. We'll see what transpires. Since fat is necessary for proper absorption it would be nice if some form of healthy fat was included in the formulation.

What I have noticed thus far:

1. My muscles look fuller although baseline measurements prevail.

2. I seem to have more energy throughout the day.

3. I haven't noticed much in the way of a increase in body temp. Maybe a little shortly after ingestion. Maybe???

4. My appetite throughout the day is about normal but my appetite after about 5 -6 PM increases dramatically.

5. In spite of ingesting additional calories late at night my weight has not increased.

 

[truthornothin]

I'm at 24 days and not really seeing a great deal of improvement yet. I started at 8 cps/day the first week and increased to 12 cps/day thereafter. I typically follow a lot fat and low (simple) carb diet. I'm not sure I was taking enough fat at each serving to really enhance absorption initially. I'm being more conscience about insuring that I take at least a small amount of fat with each serving. We'll see what transpires. Since fat is necessary for proper absorption it would be nice if some form of health fat was included in the formulation.

Again I'll point out that PA stated that it started to work in 2 weeks, that over the course of the summer he ate krap and drank booze and still leaned out. Not VOILA' he was lean over nite. Give it some time. I will post up pics tomorrow showing what it is doing for me eating over maintenance. Have faith

 

[miniarnold]

Mo,
the best way to tell if ursobolic is working is to take as a stand alone supp (bar protein supps and vits) and take it on a maintenence diet only why...........in calorie surplus and gaining/eating more you start to get bigger and stronger simply with more food so how do we know to credit ursobolic for the size strength gains
........usually in a calorie deficit and dieting/eating less you start to look leaner and tighter maybe a little depleted so how do we know to credit ursobolic for fat loss

if ursobolic works as suggested given an effective dosage is taken, then you can sit right at maintence food amount no more no less, no cardio and in time it should make one leaner whilst maintaing size or even leaner and bigger all at maintenence

 

[miniarnold]

UA reduces cholesterol, so does this mean it does/can lower natty T production as a result? obv we know this isnt a good thing

 

[T-Bone]

The study that i saw said it takes about 35 days [5-7 wk ] to see results [mice:thumbsup:] so hang in there---im using 9 pd with a stno-drol stack---but im using piperine for better absorbtion---so im figuring 9 with piperine is = to 12/15 at least [i hope] so ill try it for 35 see what happens

What if your not a mouse?.

 

[Resolve]

What if your not a mouse?.

Then finding studies becomes harder.

 

[skull]

What if your not a mouse?.

human studies to follow soon [were jumping on this way early] its the only guidlines we have right now---for $26 you could be ahead of the curve:thumbsup:

 

[ax1]

Mo,
the best way to tell if ursobolic is working is to take as a stand alone supp (bar protein supps and vits) and take it on a maintenence diet only why...........in calorie surplus and gaining/eating more you start to get bigger and stronger simply with more food so how do we know to credit ursobolic for the size strength gains
........usually in a calorie deficit and dieting/eating less you start to look leaner and tighter maybe a little depleted so how do we know to credit ursobolic for fat loss

if ursobolic works as suggested given an effective dosage is taken, then you can sit right at maintence food amount no more no less, no cardio and in time it should make one leaner whilst maintaing size or even leaner and bigger all at maintenence

I think you have the wrong idea on what supplements are used for. They are an aid to a diet/training regimin, it seems your more for expecting the supplement to do everything for you when usually this is not the case. A supplement will help achieve your goals when your diet and training is set for the goal your trying to achieve.

 

[truthornothin]

human studies to follow soon [were jumping on this way early] its the only guidlines we have right now---for $26 you could be ahead of the curve:thumbsup:

Be the first on your block to rock the 'bolic

 

[BPjohn123]

Pat at the onset said this product takes a while to work two weeks to start seeing results not two weeks to be ripped. I'm always in early and out late ask any girl I've dated lol Seriously, there is something about being the first in uncharted territory.... of course I did that years back with PRIME and that just.... well... sucked

Lol, I beta tested prime. I'm just as excited to try the next it thing, but when I'm paying for it I like to wait. When I was a rep I got to try alot of things before they hit the market, some I loved, alot disappointed but now I'm def into waiting to the smoke to clear, if it still gets solid reviews months later then I'll give it a go.

 

[henryv]

UA reduces cholesterol, so does this mean it does/can lower natty T production as a result? obv we know this isnt a good thing

Why would it?

 

[truthornothin]

Why would it?

Invalid Link Removed Originally Posted by HE-MAN Invalid Link Removed
Can this be split into 2 even daily doses for convienence instead of 3?

If UA can lower cholesterol then does this/can it mean it lowers natural T production which isnt good?
Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Registered User

UA reduces cholesterol, so does this mean it does/can lower natty T production as a result? obv we know this isnt a good thing​

Hmmmm? I wonder the slash in both? Coincidence or bad cut and paste ...You decide [/QUOTE]

 

[Mission1]

Why would it?

Can you elaborate on that a little better henryv?

 

[truthornothin]

Can you elaborate on that a little better henryv?

per PA

lowering cholesterol production in the liver, or cholesterol clearance in the liver, usually has nothing to do with testosterone levels

Sorry if I stepped on your toes Henry I just happened to have been on the other thread with the answer

 

[mattrag]

per PA Sorry if I stepped on your toes Henry I just happened to have been on the other thread with the answer

Nice. I'm looking to take this for ALL the health benefits. Not just the physique stuff.
It's looking better and better from here

Too bad I have to wait till next month to order. Credit card kinda stressed out lol.

 

[truthornothin]

Nice. I'm looking to take this for ALL the health benefits. Not just the physique stuff.
It's looking better and better from here

Too bad I have to wait till next month to order. Credit card kinda stressed out lol.

lol mine too I was out of everything now I'm just out of cash, thank God my Ursobolic order didn't put me over and I got my oat starch today I can't live without that. I'm very anal about carbs and that makes it easier to figure

 

[fadi]

I spent $800 on a stray kitten this week and will have to spend $150/week for 5 weeks to change her cast since she is growing fast, so I feel your pain. Now I have no choice but to wait to try it. I will give it a go in Jan, unless the urge becomes unbearable...

 

[truthornothin]

I spent $800 on a stray kitten this week and will have to spend $150/week for 5 weeks to change her cast since she is growing fast, so I feel your pain. Now I have no choice but to wait to try it. I will give it a go in Jan, unless the urge becomes unbearable...

Awww! you big softee lol

 

[GuyverX]

Honestly I agree with the first paragraph totally. But then again that's for those of us that can afford running like $100 in staple supps (not including health supps). If not trying out a $30 bottle is quite an investment. I remember a friend of mine bought some "fat burning stack" on some online site... and I was like.. dude... I take all of that every day.... Well cept the fat burner, everything is a staple. He was like ..."Are you nuts?!". I had to take a step back for a moment to access that statement lol.

You do have a point.
Only reason I can test run so many supplements is because I've always been a thrift hound everywhere else.
On the eternal search not for a magic pill, but just a few things I can run indefinitely to give me an edge.
I want to be in my 40's, 50's, and on up with a body inside and out that puts some young men to shame.

Running Ursobolic at 12 for another two weeks and then dropping to 9 when I stack it with coleus and probably a nutrient partitioner.

The appetite suppression in the morning is still strong in the morning though.
Took it with breakfast , had to force myself to finish and my snack and lunch I could not even eat all of either.
Got an appetite surge after work around 4pm getting off work.
Knocked off a couple of chopped steak sandwiches and a huge apple and I'll be cool till in the morning.
Might hit some carrots and kale/spinach before bed though.
I used to wake up starving but this stuff has obliterated that.

Just glad to have found something that works with my body chemistry.

This stuff keeps working I am going to have to buy more clothes again.....

 

[truthornothin]

You do have a point.
Only reason I can test run so many supplements is because I've always been a thrift hound everywhere else.
On the eternal search not for a magic pill, but just a few things I can run indefinitely to give me an edge.
I want to be in my 40's, 50's, and on up with a body inside and out that puts some young men to shame.

Running Ursobolic at 12 for another two weeks and then dropping to 9 when I stack it with coleus and probably a nutrient partitioner.

The appetite suppression in the morning is still strong in the morning though.
Took it with breakfast , had to force myself to finish and my snack and lunch I could not even eat all of either.
Got an appetite surge after work around 4pm getting off work.
Knocked off a couple of chopped steak sandwiches and a huge apple and I'll be cool till in the morning.
Might hit some carrots and kale/spinach before bed though.
I used to wake up starving but this stuff has obliterated that.

Just glad to have found something that works with my body chemistry.

This stuff keeps working I am going to have to buy more clothes again.....

That's my goal, put the young men to shame, glad to see its working for you like it is for me

 

[GuyverX]

That's my goal, put the young men to shame, glad to see its working for you like it is for me

Right back at you Truth. Your success inspired me to try it.

 

[RoadBlocK]

Day 9- Getting interesting:

I feel like I have a little more energy, my appetite has definitely been affected, beyond any placebo, normally I wake up damn hungry, ready to start eating, this has diminished greatly, as have the in between meal cravings, bodyweight is staring to fluctuate a little beyond normal, with no decrease in calories or change in exercise. Im not going over 10cap/day, but I think I may drastically cut my calories near the end of the second bottle to see if there is still appetite suppression present. If there is, to me, that aspect alone, will be invaulable when on a true cut next year coming into the spring/summer season. I will post again in a few days.

 

[miniarnold]

Invalid Link Removed Originally Posted by HE-MAN Invalid Link Removed
Can this be split into 2 even daily doses for convienence instead of 3?

If UA can lower cholesterol then does this/can it mean it lowers natural T production which isnt good?
Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Registered User

UA reduces cholesterol, so does this mean it does/can lower natty T production as a result? obv we know this isnt a good thing​

Hmmmm? I wonder the slash in both? Coincidence or bad cut and paste ...You decide

[/QUOTE]

Clever guy truth,
read it on pro-hormone forum from a user and made me voice the concern over here

 

[miniarnold]

Why would it?

because all T production is made from cholesterol is it not?, low chol diets as in alot of vegetarians = lower T= smaller and weaker physiques

 

[Patrick Arnold]

because all T production is made from cholesterol is it not?, low chol diets as in alot of vegetarians = lower T= smaller and weaker physiques

cholesterol availability from the blood is typically not the rate limiting factor in testosterone production.

 

[fadi]

what is the theory behind those who are looking leaner but the scale not moving? Just curious because I found that to be intreguing. I read a post where a guy said his weight did not change, his waist still the same size, yet he looked leaner and people noticed it.

 

[miniarnold]

I think you have the wrong idea on what supplements are used for. They are an aid to a diet/training regimin, it seems your more for expecting the supplement to do everything for you when usually this is not the case. A supplement will help achieve your goals when your diet and training is set for the goal your trying to achieve.

misunderstood me mate,
i didnt think id have to name all the variables (of which there is many) for either strength or physical success, they all must be in place to even get anywhere near ones goals and only then if all is in place for success over time then worthwhile supps can be used and added for an extra edge/boost to ones personal goals, they indeed do not make up for poor factors regarding training and the whole picture which should all be consisitently in place as best one can for long term success.

 

[miniarnold]

but maybe with ursobolic we cud all not train as hard and efficient and eat some junk and make good gains!

 

[miniarnold]

what is the theory behind those who are looking leaner but the scale not moving? Just curious because I found that to be intreguing. I read a post where a guy said his weight did not change, his waist still the same size, yet he looked leaner and people noticed it.

gaining of muscle proprtional to the amount of fat loss maybe re-bodycomp...so scale stays quite consistent on bodyweight, thats what ursobolic is supposed to do, its what it did in the rats or mice

 

[truthornothin]

gaining of muscle proprtional to the amount of fat loss maybe re-bodycomp...so scale stays quite consistent on bodyweight, thats what ursobolic is supposed to do, its what it did in the rats or mice

Thats how it seems to be working for me, weight dow a touch but it varies a pound or two from day to day anyway. Recomp definitely seems to be taking place

 

[truthornothin]

Day 9- Getting interesting:

I feel like I have a little more energy, my appetite has definitely been affected, beyond any placebo, normally I wake up damn hungry, ready to start eating, this has diminished greatly, as have the in between meal cravings, bodyweight is staring to fluctuate a little beyond normal, with no decrease in calories or change in exercise. Im not going over 10cap/day, but I think I may drastically cut my calories near the end of the second bottle to see if there is still appetite suppression present. If there is, to me, that aspect alone, will be invaulable when on a true cut next year coming into the spring/summer season. I will post again in a few days.

I think on a true cut it would be awesome and I will using before competition for just that, right now I'm gonna use it to maintain over the holidays and still enjoy myself, Pumpkin Pie??? Oh Yeah!

 

[schizm]

Great convo here...I have 4 bottles on the way...will be a few weeks before I use them...but will run at 9 caps/day...wondering if there would be any benefit (training or otherwise) of popping a dose 45min preWO (with a small meal, of at least 3g fat) or no?

 

[miniarnold]

if one gains some new lean mass from using ursobolic, what could or will happen after one finishes using it, could the new lean mass be lost making it only last whilst using it, like shrinking/deflating after ursobolic is stopped
ive never took ph or gear or any supplement that puts a bit of lean mass on pretty quickly, so i have no experience of gaining quick then loosing it quick after its use (only creatine)

could any new lean mass gained off ursobolic be like creatine in some way, when you stop it you loose the new mass/ water out of the muscle in the case of creatine and deflate back to normal
?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

if one gains some new lean mass from using ursobolic, what could or will happen after one finishes using it, could the new lean mass be lost making it only last whilst using it, like shrinking/deflating after ursobolic is stopped
ive never took ph or gear or any supplement that puts a bit of lean mass on pretty quickly, so i have no experience of gaining quick then loosing it quick after its use (only creatine)

could any new lean mass gained off ursobolic be like creatine in some way, when you stop it you loose the new mass/ water out of the muscle in the case of creatine and deflate back to normal
?

do you know of a single supplement, exercise routine, or diet plan that keeps working when you discontinue it?

i honestly dont. and i dont think anything short of gene therapy could deliver such a thing

 

[chedapalooza]

do you know of a single supplement, exercise routine, or diet routine that keeps working when you discontinue it?

i honestly dont. and i dont think anything short of gene therapy could deliver such a thing

U mean I have to stay on urso the rest of my life?! well ok, bc pa said so..

 

[Patrick Arnold]

U mean I have to stay on urso the rest of my life?! well ok, bc pa said so..

dont worry, its not as bad as it sounds. you arent gonna live very long probably

 

[truthornothin]

U mean I have to stay on urso the rest of my life?! well ok, bc pa said so..

It falls in the use it or lose it category lol Plus with all the health benefits, anti cancer, anti inflammatory, anti cholesterol.....why would you want to stop?

 

[Grambo]

Im completely sold ha

 

[schizm]

Great convo here...I have 4 bottles on the way...will be a few weeks before I use them...but will run at 9 caps/day...wondering if there would be any benefit (training or otherwise) of popping a dose 45min preWO (with a small meal, of at least 3g fat) or no?

bahstads! skipped right over my lil ole question... :sgrin:

It falls in the use it or lose it category lol Plus with all the health benefits, anti cancer, anti inflammatory, anti cholesterol.....why would you want to stop?

Considering it has these ^^ effects....what other benefits would be happeing if one were to roll some UA with say IMLs HaloExtreme, which is: 4-chloro-17a-methylandrost-1,4-dine-3,17b-dione (50mg/day) (Hdrol) and 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin (10mg/day) ?
Going back thru the thread I read HenryV mention running UA with a ph would produce an additive effect....?

 

[miniarnold]

So all gains are lost after discontinuation of its use, all i wanted to know
i thought any lean gains may stick after its use, obv if one continues high protein and training etc aeverything the same, i guess its like gear ph only lasts whilst using

 

[Patrick Arnold]

So all gains are lost after discontinuation of its use, all i wanted to know
i thought any lean gains may stick after its use, obv if one continues high protein and training etc aeverything the same, i guess its like gear ph only lasts whilst using

did i say all gains are immediately lost after you stop? are all gains from a diet immediately lost after you stop? how about when you stop training.

i am not sure if you are trying to sound dumb or what, or you just like putting words in my mouth. dont put words in my mouth. and use some common sense

 

[Resolve]

So all gains are lost after discontinuation of its use, all i wanted to know
i thought any lean gains may stick after its use, obv if one continues high protein and training etc aeverything the same, i guess its like gear ph only lasts whilst using

...It's not hormonal, it shouldn't result in major loss of anything upon cessation. That's similar to expecting to lose muscle when you stop taking fish oil.

 

[truthornothin]

...It's not hormonal, it shouldn't result in major loss of anything upon cessation. That's similar to expecting to lose muscle when you stop taking fish oil.

Not all gains are even lost on hormonal products if you know what you're doing and use proper pct and train correctly after. With Ursobolic you lose the continured benefits but I don't think the gains, unless you stopped training had a krappy diet etc.

 

[henryv]

Going back thru the thread I read HenryV mention running UA with a ph would produce an additive effect....?

Doesn't quite sound like me. I usually couch things in words like "may" or "could".

 

[schizm]

Doesn't quite sound like me. I usually couch things in words like "may" or "could".

Ah, well bloody.hell.

 

[Spaniard]

...It's not hormonal, it shouldn't result in major loss of anything upon cessation. That's similar to expecting to lose muscle when you stop taking fish oil.

F!!!! I stopped taking fish oils last week!!!

In all seriousness though watching closely I read about UA 7 months ago and am very interested!!!

I've been silently watching/stalking your updates truth (nothing to be too concerned about). I'm hopeful with this one!

 

[Patrick Arnold]

...It's not hormonal, it shouldn't result in major loss of anything upon cessation. That's similar to expecting to lose muscle when you stop taking fish oil.

i disagree with your statement that something has to be hormonal for it to result in loss of effect after discontinuation. All drugs stop working if you stop taking them, as does anything with a drug like effect (as in affecting the physiology of muscle)

And you will lose the benefits of fish oil if you stop taking it. That includes its protection against protein catabolism (fish oil really is not an anabolic per se so i dont think you made a good analogy). However for most people the effect of fish oil on muscle mass is so insignificant you wouldnt notice either way

 

[Resolve]

i disagree with your statement that something has to be hormonal for it to result in loss of effect after discontinuation. All drugs stop working if you stop taking them, as does anything with a drug like effect (as in affecting the physiology of muscle)

And you will lose the benefits of fish oil if you stop taking it. That includes its protection against protein catabolism (fish oil really is not an anabolic per se so i dont think you made a good analogy). However for most people the effect of fish oil on muscle mass is so insignificant you wouldnt notice either way

I didn't say hormones are the only thing with which we could expect weight loss upon cessation, I was merely using it as an example.

Of course you cease to reap the benefits of a supplement if you stop taking it. I had no intention of implying otherwise.

My point concerning fish oil is that you won't lose a significant amount of weight from stopping it, like you could from a poorly executed anabolic cycle (insufficient pct, diet, etc.). Like ursolic acid, fish oil acts upon multiple cellular processes, and since fish oil is a commonly accepted example of a good 'general health' supplement, I used it as an analogy.

 

[Force of Green]

dont worry, its not as bad as it sounds. you arent gonna live very long probably

Better pick up some R-Spray

 

[Force of Green]

So all gains are lost after discontinuation of its use, all i wanted to know
i thought any lean gains may stick after its use, obv if one continues high protein and training etc aeverything the same, i guess its like gear ph only lasts whilst using

I hope you don't really believe that. A lot of people on this board that log PHs lose all their gains out of stupidity. Also, the terms lean bulking, 'dirty' bulking (who ever came up with that), and recomping have been misconstrued. Many people gain about 10lbs, lose 5 in PCT and then just slowly wither away. However, if you keep training hard and eating the amount of calories to maintain your weight as well as the right macronutrients, you can maintain your gains.