My thoughts on Osta (MK-2866) wk4

Last night I dosed 1ml of OSTA before working arms, and it was THE best pump I've had, ber NONE, since my last cycle early in 2010.
 
crankywanker said:
Okay WTF I asked where's it coming from???
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I don't understand your post, were you talking to me? I don't remember you asking me where mine came from, but I only deal with SARMS SEARCH, they are the absolute best from everything I've read and experienced, bar none. I will continue to make updates.
 
SS is awesome - they sell two products.

They aren't the only reputable company out there though. There are several very reputable research chemical companies out there that have done a good job and provided good service on other research chemicals that many on this board have purchased. It's very unlikely they'd risk their rep by selling bad Osta.

That said there is something to be said for SS - since they package in 25mg / ml ... and that's a lot easier to measure out than 50mg / ml - which is what some of the other companies are doing.
 
HondaV65 said:
SS is awesome - they sell two products.

They aren't the only reputable company out there though. There are several very reputable research chemical companies out there that have done a good job and provided good service on other research chemicals that many on this board have purchased. It's very unlikely they'd risk their rep by selling bad Osta.

That said there is something to be said for SS - since they package in 25mg / ml ... and that's a lot easier to measure out than 50mg / ml - which is what some of the other companies are doing.
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All very good points! I made the point a while ago on another forum that I saw the fact SARMS SEARCH only has two products in their lineup as an advantage (not dis). They can focus their entire effort on ensuring quality.
 
HondaV65 said:
SS is awesome - they sell two products.

They aren't the only reputable company out there though. There are several very reputable research chemical companies out there that have done a good job and provided good service on other research chemicals that many on this board have purchased. It's very unlikely they'd risk their rep by selling bad Osta.

That said there is something to be said for SS - since they package in 25mg / ml ... and that's a lot easier to measure out than 50mg / ml - which is what some of the other companies are doing.
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**** I'll take the extra mg per ml IMO. Still easy to measure out.
 
I should have some soon :sgrin: Even decided to pick up some S4 just in case. Price was too good to not consider it.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
I should have some soon :sgrin: Even decided to pick up some S4 just in case. Price was too good to not consider it.
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Yeh I wish I would have got some S4 along with my Ostarine. It is pretty cheap compared to osta.
 
You can see blood work here

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if you don't feel like reading all of that thread (which you should, lots of good info in there), i'll sum it up.

Ostarine didn't cause suppression of LH/FSH, but did cause a drop in T. It also caused estradiol to raise.

It's still being debated on how to combat the rise in estradiol. PA speculates that ostarine causes aromatase activity to increase and that a mild AI might be wise to run after cessation of ostarine.

My thought is to run an AI towards the end of your osta run and for a few weeks after. Someone else mentioned that a tapering off might help as well.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
You can see blood work here

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if you don't feel like reading all of that thread (which you should, lots of good info in there), i'll sum it up.

Ostarine didn't cause suppression of LH/FSH, but did cause a drop in T. It also caused estradiol to raise.

It's still being debated on how to combat the rise in estradiol. PA speculates that ostarine causes aromatase activity to increase and that a mild AI might be wise to run after cessation of ostarine.

My thought is to run an AI towards the end of your osta run and for a few weeks after. Someone else mentioned that a tapering off might help as well.
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Excellent post, thanks for the cliff's notes as well! Was the rise in estrogen of enough concern to cause nipple sensitivity, or slight tissue development behind the nipple? From what I understand it is very nominal, and can be negated using a very low-key AI like .5mg Arimadex EOD, or even some OTC products.

Between OSTA and S4, how do they differ regarding hormone modulation negatively or positively? I definitely believe that the very small and short side-effects that might be experienced by some users isn't enough to keep them from considering the huge body recomping and healing/anabolism effects of OSTA or S4.
 
Outstanding said:
Excellent post, thanks for the cliff's notes as well! Was the rise in estrogen of enough concern to cause nipple sensitivity, or slight tissue development behind the nipple? From what I understand it is very nominal, and can be negated using a very low-key AI like .5mg Arimadex EOD, or even some OTC products.

Between OSTA and S4, how do they differ regarding hormone modulation negatively or positively? I definitely believe that the very small and short side-effects that might be experienced by some users isn't enough to keep them from considering the huge body recomping and healing/anabolism effects of OSTA or S4.
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It wasn't enough of a concern to cause nipple sensitivity/gyno. It was however great enough that it caused a slight drop in libido.

There is still not enough information out to ascertain how the results differ (scientifically speaking of course). There is however lots of user info floating around so do some searching and i'm sure you'll find your answer :)
 
TheDarkHalf said:
It wasn't enough of a concern to cause nipple sensitivity/gyno. It was however great enough that it caused a slight drop in libido.

There is still not enough information out to ascertain how the results differ (scientifically speaking of course). There is however lots of user info floating around so do some searching and i'm sure you'll find your answer :)
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I am running OSTA for a good cycle right now, saving the S4 for a later time. Really enjoying OSTA about 30 minutes prior to training.
 
Outstanding said:
I am running OSTA for a good cycle right now, saving the S4 for a later time. Really enjoying OSTA about 30 minutes prior to training.
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That is very nice to know, considering when I start my Osta here in a little over a week, it will be dosed about 30 minutes before my workout.:wink1:
 
the drop in t could be associated with the rise of e, maybe an ai like exemestane could prevent such a drop
 
schwellington said:
the drop in t could be associated with the rise of e, maybe an ai like exemestane could prevent such a drop
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Good point. I'd almost wonder if even Erase or something similar would do enough to combat it.
 
RickRock13 said:
That is very nice to know, considering when I start my Osta here in a little over a week, it will be dosed about 30 minutes before my workout.:wink1:
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Absolutely perfect! Week three, all the OSTA effects become very prominent, speaking from personal experience. ENJOY!
 
I'd like to share my experience with MK-2866 / Osta Sarms.

I'm 21 years old, and have been lifting seriously for 3 years, with 3 years of on and off experience before that.

I'm on the second day of my third week of a 6 week osta cycle, with my goal being to put on as much muscle mass and strength as possible (clearly AAS would be better for this, but being AAS Niave and a college athlete, I chose to try Osta out for safety and sport reasons- basketball players don't move to well with 10 lbs of extra water weight).

My diet has been pretty on during cycle, i eat mostly lean and red meats, vegetables, legumes, fruits, peanut butter, as well as well as protein supplements - bars, shakes, amino acids...

Other supplements taken during 6 week period:

-Multi
-Fish Oil
-Micronized Creatine Powder (loading, then 5-10 gms per day)
-Beta Alanine (4 gms per day)
-Nitrix (4 pills twice daily about 5 days a week)
-Pre-workout (either 1mr, n.o. xplode, myogenic hypershock)

Anyway, back to the sarms.
I dosed 12.5 MG ED for the first ten days, and since then have been dosing 15 MG ED. I think it is very important to try and get it in on an empty stomach.

Here are a few stats taken 2 weeks before cycle:
hieght: 6'5
weight: 205

Bench Press: 225 x 3
Box Squat: 250 x 5
DB Shoulder Press: 60 x 6-8
Cybex Leg Press: 390 x 4 (setting 4)

Since using the Osta I have seen improved vascularity, definition and feeling of swagger around day 3. I noticed at about the first week that my recovery time was improving.

Throughout the experience strength gains have been impressive for all body parts except chest. I feel especially powerful in legs

Now stats:

box squat: 290 x 5, 315 x 3 (big improvement)
DB seated press: 70 x 6 (big improvement)
bench press: still hovering around 225 x 3 in a plateau (although inclined bench has improved)
cybex leg press: 450 x 4 (big improvement)

I also feel as my vertical jump, speed, endurance have improved although did no measurements.

I also started taking A-HD aromatize-inhib / test-booster at the beginning of the 2nd week to combat any possible suppression issues that might arise.

Side effects are in order of worst to least bothersome:
-trouble falling asleep (although once asleep, solid with crazy dreams)
-frequent urination
-increased body temp / thirst
-varying libido (sometimes low, sometimes sky-high, although lately has stabilized as very high which is why i rate it least bothersome now)

All in all i am impressed with the osta and excited for the rest of my cycle. i believe it is very helpful for legs especially but any type of strength/explosive training. I also am have denser, harder, fuller, more vascular muscles throughout my whole body. My in-gym pump is ridiculous some days, great improvement, and all-day pump is noticeable.

I will post later at end of my cycle to report and gains or sides.

-Juan Diego
 
I believe having running an AI along with osta for the cycle is a good idea, and would mitigate problems and probably mitigate need for pct at all in most cases..
 
If you start experiencing nipple sensitivity, what then? Are you screwed? I've started this stuff and I'm scared I'll be permanently damaged from it. Where's the safe exit? I don't have any PCT stuff. Where can I get it, and do I continue on this stuff untill I get it, or do I stop immediately and start the PCT when it arrives? I don't fully understand this "Suppression" and how it works. If at some point your nuts go smaller, is that a permanent thing, or will they return to normal in both size and function once Osta has been ceased?

I'm not too clear on the gyno part either. Is there a possibility it can give you gynecomastia? Or if the process has started at some point, are the effects cumulative and the process will merely be resumed?
 
ishvara said:
If you start experiencing nipple sensitivity, what then? Are you screwed? I've started this stuff and I'm scared I'll be permanently damaged from it. Where's the safe exit? I don't have any PCT stuff. Where can I get it, and do I continue on this stuff untill I get it, or do I stop immediately and start the PCT when it arrives?
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umm. you dont need a pct for sarms. thats the beauty of them (provided you dont abuse them by taking a high dose for a prolonged period of time).
 
ishvara said:
If you start experiencing nipple sensitivity, what then? Are you screwed? I've started this stuff and I'm scared I'll be permanently damaged from it. Where's the safe exit? I don't have any PCT stuff. Where can I get it, and do I continue on this stuff untill I get it, or do I stop immediately and start the PCT when it arrives? I don't fully understand this "Suppression" and how it works. If at some point your nuts go smaller, is that a permanent thing, or will they return to normal in both size and function once Osta has been ceased?

I'm not too clear on the gyno part either. Is there a possibility it can give you gynecomastia? Or if the process has started at some point, are the effects cumulative and the process will merely be resumed?
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I don't mean to be a jerk at all when I post this, but if you don't understand a compound or product, how it works, etc., then you should not be taking it.

That being said, the available knowledge on OSTA MK-2866, in particular, shows very little suppression and no need for any type of a PCT. As has been stated already, that's the benefit to this compound - anabolic effects almost like AAS (obviously not to that level) and virtually none of the negative sides. I, personally, don't even think an AI is necessary for this. If you want to be safe, though, you could run one. I'd opt for Erase, most likely, but you could go with arimidex or aromisin if you felt that worried about it.

So, don't sit around and think yourself into sides that don't exist (unnecessary release of additional cortisol, bro ;) ). Pretty sure nothing will arise and if for some reason it does, then you address it (which you should already have an AI on hand if it's something you're worried about because you don't run something without having all your bases covered in advance).

In the future, do a LOT of research on something before reading the benefits and putting it into your body :)

Best of luck.

laserbluess said:
umm. you dont need a pct for sarms. thats the beauty of them (provided you dont abuse them by taking a high dose for a prolonged period of time).
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:yup:
 
The reason I started growing nervous was because I thought my nuts seemed to be shrinking. I wasn't sure at first, which was why I started asking questions. Now I am sure though, and I need to know what I can do to restore them. Is there a window of time within you must act on, or will it return to normal after I have been off osta for a time?
What CAN I do? Go to the doctors and get something?

You probably think I'm paranoid, but I assure you the size difference is unmistakable. This is one of those things where I want to be safe rather than live a life of misery without sex.
 
what do you guys think of forma stanzol during the second half of an ostarine cycle?
ingredients are:
100mgs Formestane
25mgs DIM
7,8 - Benzoflavone (99%) 25mg
chrysin 4mg
Horse Chestnut seed extract 8mg

formestane is "2 aromatase inhibitors" according to wikipedia.
 
raptor20561 said:
what do you guys think of forma stanzol during the second half of an ostarine cycle?
ingredients are:
100mgs Formestane
25mgs DIM
7,8 - Benzoflavone (99%) 25mg
chrysin 4mg
Horse Chestnut seed extract 8mg

formestane is "2 aromatase inhibitors" according to wikipedia.
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I think it would be a solid addition to an OSTA cycle; should help with leaning out and hardening up :cool2:
 
MidwestBeast said:
I think it would be a solid addition to an OSTA cycle; should help with leaning out and hardening up :cool2:
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Yea, that's what I was thinking! Thanks for backing me up.

Yet, I have never read of anyone recommending formestane during/after ostarine. I think the best usage would be to start the formestane two weeks into the ostarine cycle and continue for a week or two after the end of the ostarine.

If I could, I'd rep myself right now :cool:
 
To be real safe, use a dopamine agonist also! I forgot which B vitamin it is, but it acts as a mild dopamine agonist in higher doses. This will control the rise in prolactin people have been saying osta causes

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its vitamin b6. other dopamine agonists include vitamin e, caffiene and perhaps coq10
 
Sklander said:
How many pumps a day would you recommend?
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From mrsu*** website, a formestane supplier:


Formastanzol is a subdermal lotion, it is applied by rubbing on your skin.

1. On cycle estrogen and progesterone control.

Apply 3-10 pumps twice daily for up to 10 weeks to upper back, shoulders, arms and abdomen.
Strength of effects are dose dependent. Start of with a lighter dose and work up as needed.

I would guess 3-5 pumps twice daily would suffice for a mild osta cycle (under 25mg dailys). 10 pumps is 100 mgs of formestane. So, 30-50 mgs twice daily.
 
Sklander said:
What about letro? Too hardcore to a problem that probably isn't that big of an issue?
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To be honest, I was seriously contemplating a prescription AI such as letro for my osta experiment. But as long as your not going over the top on the osta (keep it under 25mg daily) I would also think that it's too hardcore.
 
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raptor20561 said:
From mrsu*** website, a formestane supplier:


Formastanzol is a subdermal lotion, it is applied by rubbing on your skin.

1. On cycle estrogen and progesterone control.

Apply 3-10 pumps twice daily for up to 10 weeks to upper back, shoulders, arms and abdomen.
Strength of effects are dose dependent. Start of with a lighter dose and work up as needed.

I would guess 3-5 pumps twice daily would suffice for a mild osta cycle (under 25mg dailys). 10 pumps is 100 mgs of formestane. So, 30-50 mgs twice daily.
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This exactly for formastanozol dosing protocol ;)
 
raptor20561 said:
Yea, that's what I was thinking! Thanks for backing me up.

Yet, I have never read of anyone recommending formestane during/after ostarine. I think the best usage would be to start the formestane two weeks into the ostarine cycle and continue for a week or two after the end of the ostarine.

If I could, I'd rep myself right now :cool:
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I like your suggested dosing schedule.

And I repped you, since you couldn't do it yourself :cool2:

Sklander said:
How many pumps a day would you recommend?
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I would think with OSTA not being nearly as strong as an AAS or PH compound that you would be fine with just one serving (10 pumps), which would allow you to run one bottle for 8 weeks (and I would think you'd run it for about 6, so you'd have some left over for future use). I'm sure someone who has more experience with the forma could weigh in, though, too.

raptor20561 said:
To be real safe, use a dopamine agonist also! I forgot which B vitamin it is, but it acts as a mild dopamine agonist in higher doses. This will control the rise in prolactin people have been saying osta causes

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its vitamin b6. other dopamine agonists include vitamin e, caffiene and perhaps coq10
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Good info.

Sklander said:
What about letro? Too hardcore to a problem that probably isn't that big of an issue?
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Definitely not necessary for this :yup:
 
ishvara said:
The reason I started growing nervous was because I thought my nuts seemed to be shrinking. I wasn't sure at first, which was why I started asking questions. Now I am sure though, and I need to know what I can do to restore them. Is there a window of time within you must act on, or will it return to normal after I have been off osta for a time?
What CAN I do? Go to the doctors and get something?

You probably think I'm paranoid, but I assure you the size difference is unmistakable. This is one of those things where I want to be safe rather than live a life of misery without sex.
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I previously posted a topic on mild suppression caused by ostarine. My testosterone level plummetted and my balls shrank. I don't think you're imagining it. I was dosing 6mg and 9mg for a total of 14 weeks though. I recovered relatively quickly after ceasing ostarine. I'd go to a doctor and have a hormone panel done. Tell them the truth, a proper doctor is there to treat not to judge.

How much ostarine were you on and for how long?
 
Outstanding said:
True... but the real kind of doctors are so, so hard to find!
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Amen.

When I was talking to mine, here, I could tell she was thinking steroids the entire time when I asked for the tests I wanted run. Granted, it was my first meeting, because I moved here 15 months prior and had no need for a doctor. I told her that I hadn't used anything, because lying to a doctor does no good. But being judged is annoying, too.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Amen.

When I was talking to mine, here, I could tell she was thinking steroids the entire time when I asked for the tests I wanted run. Granted, it was my first meeting, because I moved here 15 months prior and had no need for a doctor. I told her that I hadn't used anything, because lying to a doctor does no good. But being judged is annoying, too.
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Well, at least next time you can say that now you have done a cycle and you want to get rechecked to make sure everything back to normal. **** being judged, if she doesn't want your money tell her you're going to a real doctor not some ******* who's going to judge you instead of help you safely achieve your bodybuilding goals :P
 
raptor20561 said:
Well, at least next time you can say that now you have done a cycle and you want to get rechecked to make sure everything back to normal. **** being judged, if she doesn't want your money tell her you're going to a real doctor not some ******* who's going to judge you instead of help you safely achieve your bodybuilding goals :P
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What I've done in the past, because I know (and could already tell during our short conversation) that doctor's are nothing more than parrots who never had Steroid 101 on med-school and are more biased than words can describe in their ignorance of treating 70 year old men primarily on death's door step and have no experience with young men pursuing athletic achievement via anabolic implementation... is simply say "I've taken what now amounts to steroids after the government passed their laws banning these once legal supplements."

So, I avoid any needless lengthy soap-box bull session by the old self-convinced wizard of smart in a lab coat, and I still receive blood tests because of my 'grave concern' regarding my health and lipids and liver at a younger age.

The doctor was so misguided and moronic he actually said "I see you have elevated cholesterol, we'll attempt to bring that back under control over the next five to ten years." HAHA, RIIIIIIIGHT, how about three months with some prudent yet basic natural intervention via supplementation? SHUT... UP!!! 10 years... go back to your 'prestigious medical school' and stop pimping your celebrex and ambien to soccer moms you dope!
 
raptor20561 said:
Well, at least next time you can say that now you have done a cycle and you want to get rechecked to make sure everything back to normal. **** being judged, if she doesn't want your money tell her you're going to a real doctor not some ******* who's going to judge you instead of help you safely achieve your bodybuilding goals :P
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I've already decided I won't be going back to her.

I went in yesterday to get my file copied so I could take it to the endocrinologist I'm heading up to see out of town tomorrow. I read through her notes and to start things off she had me marked as "obese." Now, I know I'm very hard on myself and desire to be stage ready at all times and I know I've got more fat on me than I'd like, but obese?

On top of that, there are a bunch of notes about how I wanted tests despite it being against her medical recommendations (I told her I hadn't had blood drawn in over 10 years and wanted to know what my hormone levels were -- does that sound so ridiculous?!). And then there's just a bunch of wording in there as well that just points right down the line of her not believing a word out of my mouth.

I feel bad for all of the saps out there who take doctors at 100% of their word, because I had studied a TON on hypothyroidism and levothyroxine and if I hadn't, I wouldn't have known squat because she just gave me a prescription (I take that back, a nurse did -- she didn't even meet with me when I went back in for the results) and no directions or explanation whatsoever.
 
MidwestBeast said:
On top of that, there are a bunch of notes about how I wanted tests despite it being against her medical recommendations (I told her I hadn't had blood drawn in over 10 years and wanted to know what my hormone levels were -- does that sound so ridiculous?!). And then there's just a bunch of wording in there as well that just points right down the line of her not believing a word out of my mouth.
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Mal-practicing little feeble minded laughable hopeless goonette! Put your clip board down, and replace that pile of canine feces with a brain, and then begin searching for a clue - because she didn't have one!
 
I'm on week 6 of an 8 week s-4/mk-2866/clen stack. 75mg s-4 daily split between 2 doses daily, 1@6 am, 1@6pm; 25mg mk-2866 daily @6am; 200mg clen @ 6 am (2 weeks on 2 off). no vision sides from s-4, only sides to mention is a little bit of muscle hardening, hard to tell if I'm gaining weight or losing fat or what. The mirror says ive stayed the same after running clen/ECA for two months, maybe gained a couple of lean lbs at best.
 
TankerBiskits said:
I'm on week 6 of an 8 week s-4/mk-2866/clen stack. 75mg s-4 daily split between 2 doses daily, 1@6 am, 1@6pm; 25mg mk-2866 daily @6am; 200mg clen @ 6 am (2 weeks on 2 off). no vision sides from s-4, only sides to mention is a little bit of muscle hardening, hard to tell if I'm gaining weight or losing fat or what. The mirror says ive stayed the same after running clen/ECA for two months, maybe gained a couple of lean lbs at best.
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The mk2866/s4 is not improving strength? Fat loss? What is your dosage of mk2866?
 
TankerBiskits said:
I'm on week 6 of an 8 week s-4/mk-2866/clen stack. 75mg s-4 daily split between 2 doses daily, 1@6 am, 1@6pm; 25mg mk-2866 daily @6am; 200mg clen @ 6 am (2 weeks on 2 off). no vision sides from s-4, only sides to mention is a little bit of muscle hardening, hard to tell if I'm gaining weight or losing fat or what. The mirror says ive stayed the same after running clen/ECA for two months, maybe gained a couple of lean lbs at best.
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osta + clen not leaning you out? Hmmm...

Should be diet or the source of the osta/clen.

The last time you ran "clen/ECA" for two months, were you taking something to upregulate (with diphenhydramine or ketotifin) your B2 receptors during or after your clen/ECA run? I hope you haven't messed up your receptors!

If you haven't, stop taking the clen and start popping 50mg of some generic benedryl everynight for at least a week
 
I've used up to 50mg day. I like it for pct, but no comparison to gear, I don't feel it's very anabolic. Good to maintain strength in pct tho.
 
TankerBiskits said:
I'm on week 6 of an 8 week s-4/mk-2866/clen stack. 75mg s-4 daily split between 2 doses daily, 1@6 am, 1@6pm; 25mg mk-2866 daily @6am; 200mg clen @ 6 am (2 weeks on 2 off). no vision sides from s-4, only sides to mention is a little bit of muscle hardening, hard to tell if I'm gaining weight or losing fat or what. The mirror says ive stayed the same after running clen/ECA for two months, maybe gained a couple of lean lbs at best.
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That sounds like overkill and/or bunk product, to me.

I've used very underdosed clen before (not bunk, just very underdosed) and was up to 240mcg/day and felt nothing. Since then, I could only handle about 120mcg/day without getting horrible cramps (noticed it much more).

Most people notice a lot from 12.5-15mg OSTA/day and 50mg S4/day.

The fact that you're combining all of that sounds unnecessary, but also makes no sense that you're not feeling something (if not even in a negative sense from as much as you're taking).

I agree with wondering what your diet and training are like and when you last took a break from stimulants before jumping on clen.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I've already decided I won't be going back to her.

I went in yesterday to get my file copied so I could take it to the endocrinologist I'm heading up to see out of town tomorrow. I read through her notes and to start things off she had me marked as "obese." Now, I know I'm very hard on myself and desire to be stage ready at all times and I know I've got more fat on me than I'd like, but obese?
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I laughed out loud when I read the obese part... That's so ridiculous! Most doctors (at least the ones I've met) are never on the same planet as their patients. I don't understand it... Is it because they have to meet with so many patients on a daily basis? Or is it just the type of people who are attracted to the medical profession? Most doctors just can't connect with their patients.
 
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