My take on Superdrol

nattydisaster

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Here is my take on superdrol....

1) Way overdosed -- I can take 2.5-5mg and see results. Anything over 15mg IMO is way too much.

2) Very toxic -- It is a very toxic molecule, probably due to the dimethylation, but again I think it is overdosed and that is what causes most of the problems.

3) Extremely versatile for the WELL INFORMED and PROPER USER. Not teens, not adults who aren't in the shape to take it, not people who are going to drink while on it or take other prescription drugs.

The only way think superdrol should be used is 2.5-5mg for 7-14 days MAX, and only when you're in a plateau, maybe one run every 3 months.

Problem is, everyone sells 10mg capsules
 
nattydisaster said:
PP has a liquid superdrol I see. If it's in a solution then that would be solid
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It is indeed my friend. ;)

I agree with your sentiment here. You can easily dose 2.5-5mg doses (via syringe) with our new Superdrone-LV. I think 10-15mg/day will work perfectly in most people; 20mg/day being the absolute max (for short periods of time). In terms of duration, I wouldn't suggest anything over 3-4 weeks max; with 3 weeks being the better and safer option.

It literally infuriates me when I read some of the recommendations for dosing superdrol (or numerous other compounds) across the boards. More is NOT better; when the hell are some people going to understand that? Maybe when they enter into the icteric phase of a pharmacological-induced hepatitis; evinced when their eyes and skin turn yellow; their piss turns brown; develop intractable nausea/vomiting; and they scratch all their skin off from the horrible pruritis that follows. Maybe....just maybe then they'll understand the error of their ways...

You want to utilize the smallest possible dose that demonstrates marked anabolic effects.
 
Trauma1 said:
It is indeed my friend. ;)

I agree with your sentiment here. You can easily dose 2.5-5mg doses (via syringe) with our new Superdrone-LV. I think 10-15mg/day will work perfectly in most people; 20mg/day being the absolute max (for short periods of time). In terms of duration, I wouldn't suggest anything over 3-4 weeks max; with 3 weeks being the better and safer option.

It literally infuriates me when I read some of the recommendations for dosing superdrol (or numerous other compounds) across the boards. More is NOT better; when the hell are some people going to understand that? Maybe when they enter into the icteric phase of a pharmacological-induced hepatitis; evinced when their eyes and skin turn yellow; their piss turns brown; develop intractable nausea/vomiting; and they scratch all their skin off from the horrible pruritis that follows. Maybe....just maybe then they'll understand the error of their ways...

You want to utilize the smallest possible dose that demonstrates marked anabolic effects.
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No, at that point they will probably just sue the company that makes the product and the retailer they bought it from:damnit1:
 
tim1985 said:
No, at that point they will probably just sue the company that makes the product and the retailer they bought it from:damnit1:
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Yeah, you're probably right. It's just easier to blame someone else for their lack of responsibility and/or accountability of their own careless actions.

I see this EVERY freakin' day in the ER. It's always someone else's fault...
 
Respectfully, I have to disagree with some of your comments in the opening post. A major concern is the wide range of batch quality amongst these different generic brands, since the original superdrol was taken off the market 5 years ago. These various impurities (isomers, side products, and different steroidal compounds) can significantly alter the androgenic, estrogenic, and (of course) toxic behaviors of the compound. For those who don't know, the compound is commercially made from an incredibly (even moreso than "superdrol") steroid. With that being said, and the vast range of different mixtures of compounds being referred to as "superdrol", general assumptions cannot be accurately made.

These superdrol clones are somewhere between pure 2a,17a-dimethyl-androstan-3-one-17b-ol and oxymetholone with little bits of reducing agent or catalyst in it. It could make a great cycle, it could be kinda harsh, or it could really **** your **** up.
 
thesinner said:
A major concern is the wide range of batch quality amongst these different generic brands, since the original superdrol was taken off the market 5 years ago. These various impurities (isomers, side products, and different steroidal compounds) can significantly alter the androgenic, estrogenic, and (of course) toxic behaviors of the compound.
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This is very true, i agree. Wish the old stuff was around :(

thesinner said:
For those who don't know, the compound is commercially made from an incredibly (even moreso than "superdrol") steroid. With that being said, and the vast range of different mixtures of compounds being referred to as "superdrol", general assumptions cannot be accurately made.
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I didn't know that...wish I had haha

thesinner said:
These superdrol clones are somewhere between pure 2a,17a-dimethyl-androstan-3-one-17b-ol and oxymetholone with little bits of reducing agent or catalyst in it. It could make a great cycle, it could be kinda harsh, or it could really **** your **** up.
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Damn...I wish i had known all of this...thanks Sinner!
 
ND,

I respect your opinion alot from my time here as a lurker, but it seems like SD/clones have more negative experiences than the rest of the PH/DS market combined. There are plenty of good products out there, and while maybe not quite as strong as SD, certainly have a more favorable risk/reward profile (Halo, Epi).


That said, pulsing SD seems like a good idea - it has a reputation as a liver destroyer and something that shuts you down hard. Since shutdown takes 2 weeks to set in to the HPTA, usually, short minicycles might be the way to go. I'd make sure that support supps were preloaded all the way through though, and probably throw some Liv-52 in with a mild PCT.
 
OnTheRoadTo said:
ND,

I respect your opinion alot from my time here as a lurker, but it seems like SD/clones have more negative experiences than the rest of the PH/DS market combined. There are plenty of good products out there, and while maybe not quite as strong as SD, certainly have a more favorable risk/reward profile (Halo, Epi).


That said, pulsing SD seems like a good idea - it has a reputation as a liver destroyer and something that shuts you down hard. Since shutdown takes 2 weeks to set in to the HPTA, usually, short minicycles might be the way to go. I'd make sure that support supps were preloaded all the way through though, and probably throw some Liv-52 in with a mild PCT.
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Oh it def has the most side effects, there is no doubt about that!!

I am against pulsing. IMO you shouldn't pulse oral steroids. But to each their own of course.
 
I agree and have said that with SD and M1T before that 5mg is plenty...2.5 mg would probably be better and safer.

The original batch of SD at 10 mg per day gave me the worst depression I have ever had in my life.
 
wedlund6 said:
s.d. is like bacardi 151 it will get you were you want to be but you will regret it later
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Plus, Bacardi 151 gives you the special "Flame Retardant" lid under the cap. :439:

I haven't drank that stuff in a LONG time; not since the college days filled with "Flaming Dr. Peppers'." It's pure poison in a bottle.
 
nattydisaster said:
Here is my take on superdrol....

1) Way overdosed -- I can take 2.5-5mg and see results. Anything over 15mg IMO is way too much.

2) Very toxic -- It is a very toxic molecule, probably due to the dimethylation, but again I think it is overdosed and that is what causes most of the problems.

3) Extremely versatile for the WELL INFORMED and PROPER USER. Not teens, not adults who aren't in the shape to take it, not people who are going to drink while on it or take other prescription drugs.

The only way think superdrol should be used is 2.5-5mg for 7-14 days MAX, and only when you're in a plateau, maybe one run every 3 months.

Problem is, everyone sells 10mg capsules
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Hey Natty, could you expound on point #3, the versatility aspect?
 
bioman said:
I agree and have said that with SD and M1T before that 5mg is plenty...2.5 mg would probably be better and safer.

The original batch of SD at 10 mg per day gave me the worst depression I have ever had in my life.
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where is this 5mg stuff coming from? I'm guessing not cel
 
Trauma1 said:
It is indeed my friend. ;)

I agree with your sentiment here. You can easily dose 2.5-5mg doses (via syringe) with our new Superdrone-LV. I think 10-15mg/day will work perfectly in most people; 20mg/day being the absolute max (for short periods of time). In terms of duration, I wouldn't suggest anything over 3-4 weeks max; with 3 weeks being the better and safer option.

It literally infuriates me when I read some of the recommendations for dosing superdrol (or numerous other compounds) across the boards. More is NOT better; when the hell are some people going to understand that? Maybe when they enter into the icteric phase of a pharmacological-induced hepatitis; evinced when their eyes and skin turn yellow; their piss turns brown; develop intractable nausea/vomiting; and they scratch all their skin off from the horrible pruritis that follows. Maybe....just maybe then they'll understand the error of their ways...

You want to utilize the smallest possible dose that demonstrates marked anabolic effects.
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doesnt LV offer 3x the absorption

so 10mg dosing is like taking 30mg...if im quoting you correcting from another thread. wouldnt that be kinda strong

if it really does offer 3x the absorption, then a couple mgs will go a long way which would be nice
 
ND, it's true that most people OD on SD and that's the cause of the reputation for bad sides... it would be much better off in 5mg capsules. But 2.5-5mg is such a small dose, maybe it works for you but this'll be an ineffectively weak dose for a lot of people, myself included... I love SD but 20mg is my sweet spot.
I encourage most people to start at 10mg as that's a pretty solid dose but 15mg should be appropriate for many people... 2.5-5mg is so little! I feel you could run that for 6 weeks or something... The problem is when people decide to run a bottle and try to do 30mg*4 weeks. Generally 30mg of SD is just too much. I can do 30mg but it's not much better than 20 so I prefer 20 overall.

Dose is going to vary a lot for everyone... M1T i thought was too weak at 10mg, if i try it again I'm going to do 20mg... Some people feel like they're going to die at 20mg, everyone is different and needs different doses.

All we can do is encourage people to start low and use the smallest effective amount, as with these really powerful compounds, the diminishing returns come pretty quickly and high doses just lead to unnecessary sides and suppression.
 
rxp1997 said:
Hey Natty, could you expound on point #3, the versatility aspect?
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I like its versatility in the fact that it can be used for as little as 2 weeks with a lot of result seen. It can be used in low doses for short periods to get over plateaus. It can be used to maybe jumpstart your body back after losing weight from being sick or something, just for 2 weeks and bam, right back where you started. It is also not very "wet" IMO, but not dry either.
 
The 2.5 to 5mg doses work very well in conjunction with 4AD or test. That way, you can run it longer and see more permanent gains.

With SD/M1T people just kinda went crazy wanting/expecting and getting big gains in 2-3 weeks because they are both so stinking potent...but the downside is that half the time, you get MIT flu or just feel so crappy that you don't eat well enough and lose gains in PCT.

If you back off the dosing, stack them with a test type base you can run a real cycle with fewer sides and still make great progress.

Just my 2 cents coming from one of the original lab rats around here.
 
bioman said:
The 2.5 to 5mg doses work very well in conjunction with 4AD or test. That way, you can run it longer and see more permanent gains.

With SD/M1T people just kinda went crazy wanting/expecting and getting big gains in 2-3 weeks because they are both so stinking potent...but the downside is that half the time, you get MIT flu or just feel so crappy that you don't eat well enough and lose gains in PCT.

If you back off the dosing, stack them with a test type base you can run a real cycle with fewer sides and still make great progress.

Just my 2 cents coming from one of the original lab rats around here.
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A guy on MD ran mdrol a few times and just felt like crap on it and ended the cycles sooner than he had planned. Hes now on TRT, and ran the same bottle of mdrol and felt awesome the whole time. Only variable is Test
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Too bad 4-AD isn't around anymore... Fortunately for me I feel friggin great on Superdrol, i don't have the words to express my love for it.
 
bioman said:
The 2.5 to 5mg doses work very well in conjunction with 4AD or test. That way, you can run it longer and see more permanent gains.
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A low-dose Superdrol and Test combo is a good stack indeed.

Did you ever use the AX version after having used the original DS version?
 
tim1985 said:
A guy on MD ran mdrol a few times and just felt like crap on it and ended the cycles sooner than he had planned. Hes now on TRT, and ran the same bottle of mdrol and felt awesome the whole time. Only variable is Test
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That further supports how rapidly it's probably shutting you down. Utilizing it with a test base is the way to go for certain. That combo is a favorite of many.
 
No, never ran the AX. Test or HCG at least is essential for those compounds IMO. Makes the ride much smoother.
 
Trauma1 said:
That further supports how rapidly it's probably shutting you down. Utilizing it with a test base is the way to go for certain. That combo is a favorite of many.
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My next run is gonna be Test w/ an SD(PP's clone:439:) jump start and I want to finish with Tbol to harden up and lean out a bit for summer.
 
bioman said:
No, never ran the AX. Test or HCG at least is essential for those compounds IMO. Makes the ride much smoother.
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I had a bottle of the original DS version years ago, but I ended up getting rid of it before I was able to use it. I've used the AX version and had markedly better results than any of the clones that came to the market over the last 4-5years. I'm interested in hearing more feedback from guys that have used both the DS and AX versions.

I definitely agree with your sentiment of concurrent use with either Test or hCG.
 
tim1985 said:
My next run is gonna be Test w/ an SD(PP's clone:439:) jump start and I want to finish with Tbol to harden up and lean out a bit for summer.
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Make sure to check out our "Liver Juice" as well. When the write-up is posted, you'll see some good reference information on how this product will really help to prevent potential hepato-toxic effects that can be induced through a myriad of different etiologies.

I'm a very big advocate of sufficient support ancillary products while on-cycle. This product is going to be an excellent and affordable addition. :)

Are you going to log this?
 
Trauma1 said:
Make sure to check out our "Liver Juice" as well. When the write-up is posted, you'll see some good reference information on how this product will really help to prevent potential hepato-toxic effects that can be induced through a myriad of different etiologies.

I'm a very big advocate of sufficient support ancillary products while on-cycle. This product is going to be an excellent and affordable addition. :)

Are you going to log this?
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Im probably gonna pick up some liver juice when I order the SD.

Im not sure if I will log it or not, Im still in PCT from my last run w/ Test/dbol so it will be a few months before this happens
 
UnrealMachine said:
ND, it's true that most people OD on SD and that's the cause of the reputation for bad sides... it would be much better off in 5mg capsules. But 2.5-5mg is such a small dose, maybe it works for you but this'll be an ineffectively weak dose for a lot of people, myself included... I love SD but 20mg is my sweet spot.
I encourage most people to start at 10mg as that's a pretty solid dose but 15mg should be appropriate for many people... 2.5-5mg is so little! I feel you could run that for 6 weeks or something... The problem is when people decide to run a bottle and try to do 30mg*4 weeks. Generally 30mg of SD is just too much. I can do 30mg but it's not much better than 20 so I prefer 20 overall.

Dose is going to vary a lot for everyone... M1T i thought was too weak at 10mg, if i try it again I'm going to do 20mg... Some people feel like they're going to die at 20mg, everyone is different and needs different doses.

All we can do is encourage people to start low and use the smallest effective amount, as with these really powerful compounds, the diminishing returns come pretty quickly and high doses just lead to unnecessary sides and suppression.
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I agree with this statement. I'm gonna kickstart with Superdone LV and start with 10mg the first week and WAIT and SEE what happens. If I have no sides and gains seem present, I may go to 15..if sides are apparent, I may stick with 10mg. Good thing about PP's version is I can fine tune the dosages to whatever I want! But the coolest thing about this cycle is its also my first AAS as well as using Superdrol. Gonna be a sweet ride!
 
bioman said:
The 2.5 to 5mg doses work very well in conjunction with 4AD or test. That way, you can run it longer and see more permanent gains.

With SD/M1T people just kinda went crazy wanting/expecting and getting big gains in 2-3 weeks because they are both so stinking potent...but the downside is that half the time, you get MIT flu or just feel so crappy that you don't eat well enough and lose gains in PCT.

If you back off the dosing, stack them with a test type base you can run a real cycle with fewer sides and still make great progress.

Just my 2 cents coming from one of the original lab rats around here.
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Exactly
 
If Superdrol/M-drol takes two weeks to cause shutdown, is there any value to taking it for one week straight and then taking a week or two off? Could this be repeated multiple times? I used M-drol for a 6-week pulse, never going above 20 mg, and felt that the sides were very minimal with decent gains. This was my first use of the compound.
 
UnrealMachine said:
ND, it's true that most people OD on SD and that's the cause of the reputation for bad sides... it would be much better off in 5mg capsules. But 2.5-5mg is such a small dose, maybe it works for you but this'll be an ineffectively weak dose for a lot of people, myself included... I love SD but 20mg is my sweet spot.
I encourage most people to start at 10mg as that's a pretty solid dose but 15mg should be appropriate for many people... 2.5-5mg is so little! I feel you could run that for 6 weeks or something... The problem is when people decide to run a bottle and try to do 30mg*4 weeks. Generally 30mg of SD is just too much. I can do 30mg but it's not much better than 20 so I prefer 20 overall.

Dose is going to vary a lot for everyone... M1T i thought was too weak at 10mg, if i try it again I'm going to do 20mg... Some people feel like they're going to die at 20mg, everyone is different and needs different doses.

All we can do is encourage people to start low and use the smallest effective amount, as with these really powerful compounds, the diminishing returns come pretty quickly and high doses just lead to unnecessary sides and suppression.
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Unreal, you should def try M1T at 20mg if 10 didn't do it for you. I did 10/10 for my first 2 week cycle (gained about 14 lbs), and then something like 10/20/20/20 for my second cycle. That 2nd cycle gave me a 21 lb gain and all kinds of strength PRs. That was a loooong time ago BTW; my current weight doesn't exactly reflect my 6 year old oral only cycles:nervous:. And tiny nuts from that 4-week, kind of over-the-top cycle. Def. need some HCG or test or both at 20mg x 4 weeks if you want a speedy recovery (I didn't use either one). I didn't think the sides were really any worse at 20 than 10 and I tolerated it well at all doses. Painful pumps when doing biceps, mild-moderate lethargy, mild-moderate aggression. I think with M1T, you start to see diminishing returns in weight gain during weeks 3 and 4 at 20mg, but strength keeps on coming like nobody's business.

Everyone is different, and starting low definitely helps with these uber-powerful steroids.
 
MEPSE said:
If Superdrol/M-drol takes two weeks to cause shutdown, is there any value to taking it for one week straight and then taking a week or two off? Could this be repeated multiple times? I used M-drol for a 6-week pulse, never going above 20 mg, and felt that the sides were very minimal with decent gains. This was my first use of the compound.
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I thought Unreal said in his guide to superdrol that shutdown occurred much faster than that-like less than a week.
 
If you lower the dose to 5mg would you safely be able to extend the length of the cycle or would there still be diminishing gains after 3 weeks?
 
grega60438 said:
If you lower the dose to 5mg would you safely be able to extend the length of the cycle or would there still be diminishing gains after 3 weeks?
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was wondering the same thing. dont know too many people who have taken a low dosage....
 
Low dosed SD info

fightbackhxc said:
was wondering the same thing. dont know too many people who have taken a low dosage....
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ake a look at this thread, some interesting ideas. I have been dosing 5mg SD in the AM for 2 weeks, strength gains are amazing for such a low dose, and wt gain is at a nice pace. I think it will be much easier to keep the gains.

One idea tossed out there on page 1 is 10mg SD for 3 wks bridged into epi.

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grega60438 said:
If you lower the dose to 5mg would you safely be able to extend the length of the cycle or would there still be diminishing gains after 3 weeks?
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my take on this is that SD is very misunderstood. The gains don't diminish after 3 weeks really, what happens is that all the water and glycogen comes at first so after a couple weeks into it, the weight gains become very slow... This is because you're actually building MUSCLE as opposed to just storing a lot more water like in the first couple weeks. I notice this, my weight gains slow, but my strength gains keep coming just as fast during week 4!

If you were to dose 5mg then you should run longer like 5 maybe even 6 weeks, you should still be gaining (just not explosively) but 5mg may not cut it for you after a month... I still think 5mg is very low and that if gains slow you should just do 10mg.
 
dumbhick3 said:
I thought Unreal said in his guide to superdrol that shutdown occurred much faster than that-like less than a week.
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the theory that the 2-on-2-off protocol is based on says that you don't get actually suppressed until after 2 weeks into a cycle. I am just hihgly skeptical of this and I think that suppression occurs much faster than 2 weeks, especially with the strong, high-shutdown orals like 19-nor, M1T, and Superdrol.

Just like you said with M1T you can cycle it for 2 weeks and gain 14 pounds, most people still get sides like lethargy even in just 2 weeks and some libido loss, these are definitely signs that significant suppression is occurring.

I don't understand the 2 week number, it's too arbitrary and magical, nothing in the human body is going to function on an exact 14 day time scale for everybody... It may have some merit but until I see lots of bloodwork results, I'm not buying too deeply into it.
 
A couple of points to remember here:

1) There is absolutely NO WAY to confirm or support a theory of HPTA suppression without specific blood markers (LH, FSH, Total Test) that correlate a marked change from baseline blood work. You can NOT accurately gauge any degree of HPTA suppression based on "how you feel" ;even evinced changes in physical characteristics such as testicular atrophy are not a reliable indicator of the actual degree of suppression.

2) Superdrol is a powerful compound; make no mistake here. Yes there are variances in the A/B isomer content spanning the different clones, but the overall safety issue still remains regardless. Some guys are going to respond very well to 5-10mg/day; others may need up to 15-20mg. Either way, I would not recommend any duration longer than 3-4 weeks. The issue with increased dosage of longer duration is evinced hepato-toxic effect. This again is something you won't necessarily "feel" the effects of, but you'll certainly see them if the hepatic injury/cholestasis effects begin to propagate. The only way to effectively document effects is through blood work. This issue can/will significantly vary with each user due to a myriad of endogenous/exogenous factors. Taking effective support supplementation as a cycle adjunct is an absolute MUST. I don't care whether it's our Liver Juice or another product on the market. Having an effective means of prevention in place is the best possible treatment option in the end. If you guys are going to use our new Superdrone, I HIGHLY recommend using it with our Liver Juice support product.

3) All of the Superdrol anecdotal experiences that are posted across the boards are nothing more than that; they're NOT a definitive individual guideline for everyone to follow. The key point here to remember is that you should utilize the smallest possible dose that demonstrates a marked anabolic effect. In other words, start with a small dose and gradually adjust over a given time period to effect.

4) Being a medical profession myself, I can't emphasize the importance of safety enough, gentlemen. These are your bodies; you only get one, so I strongly advise you to take care of them. I've personally witnessed guys that have developed issues with these compounds (most recently H-drol) in the clinical setting. Most of them were either ignorant or uninformed of the potential dangers involved.

Knowledge is power, gentlemen. Be as well informed as you can before you get involved. Many of the veteran guys on this board would be more than happy to answer any questions that you might have.

You can utilize the many different compounds on the market fairly safely and effectively if certain prevention/safety guidelines are observed. More is not better, and as I said, having an effective means of prevention in place is the best possible treatment option in the end.

- John
 
Trauma, it is interesting that you mentioned h-drol in presumably the ER setting. It gets touted as a mild methyl, and I suppose for many it is (including those who don't get blood work...), but it certainly did a number on my AST/ALT. GGT and Bilirubin were fine, but I think that "mild methyls" taken at 100+ mg/day aren't so mild at the end of the day (cumulatively). And if h-drol can do that, it stands to reason that superdrol can do much worse in bad hands and at wrong dosing and durations.

BTW, I don't know if you guys have seen this from the CEL forum (idiots in action; suing CEL and TFS over M-drol b/c they nearly pickled their livers through ignorance):

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/competitive-edge-labs/145506-c-e-l.html
 
Trauma1 said:
A couple of points to remember here:

1) There is absolutely NO WAY to confirm or support a theory of HPTA suppression without specific blood markers (LH, FSH, Total Test) that correlate a marked change from baseline blood work. You can NOT accurately gauge any degree of HPTA suppression based on "how you feel" ;even evinced changes in physical characteristics such as testicular atrophy are not a reliable indicator of the actual degree of suppression.

2) Superdrol is a powerful compound; make no mistake here. Yes there are variances in the A/B isomer content spanning the different clones, but the overall safety issue still remains regardless. Some guys are going to respond very well to 5-10mg/day; others may need up to 15-20mg. Either way, I would not recommend any duration longer than 3-4 weeks. The issue with increased dosage of longer duration is evinced hepato-toxic effect. This again is something you won't necessarily "feel" the effects of, but you'll certainly see them if the hepatic injury/cholestasis effects begin to propagate. The only way to effectively document effects is through blood work. This issue can/will significantly vary with each user due to a myriad of endogenous/exogenous factors. Taking effective support supplementation as a cycle adjunct is an absolute MUST. I don't care whether it's our Liver Juice or another product on the market. Having an effective means of prevention in place is the best possible treatment option in the end. If you guys are going to use our new Superdrone, I HIGHLY recommend using it with our Liver Juice support product.

3) All of the Superdrol anecdotal experiences that are posted across the boards are nothing more than that; they're NOT a definitive individual guideline for everyone to follow. The key point here to remember is that you should utilize the smallest possible dose that demonstrates a marked anabolic effect. In other words, start with a small dose and gradually adjust over a given time period to effect.

4) Being a medical profession myself, I can't emphasize the importance of safety enough, gentlemen. These are your bodies; you only get one, so I strongly advise you to take care of them. I've personally witnessed guys that have developed issues with these compounds (most recently H-drol) in the clinical setting. Most of them were either ignorant or uninformed of the potential dangers involved.

Knowledge is power, gentlemen. Be as well informed as you can before you get involved. Many of the veteran guys on this board would be more than happy to answer any questions that you might have.

You can utilize the many different compounds on the market fairly safely and effectively if certain prevention/safety guidelines are observed. More is not better, and as I said, having an effective means of prevention in place is the best possible treatment option in the end.

- John
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I agree with this guy. It's not like there is a superdrol manual. Everybody is different and I've never seen any solid studies on specific dosage.
 
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Trauma1 said:
A couple of points to remember here:

1) There is absolutely NO WAY to confirm or support a theory of HPTA suppression without specific blood markers (LH, FSH, Total Test) that correlate a marked change from baseline blood work. You can NOT accurately gauge any degree of HPTA suppression based on "how you feel" ;even evinced changes in physical characteristics such as testicular atrophy are not a reliable indicator of the actual degree of suppression.

2) Superdrol is a powerful compound; make no mistake here. Yes there are variances in the A/B isomer content spanning the different clones, but the overall safety issue still remains regardless. Some guys are going to respond very well to 5-10mg/day; others may need up to 15-20mg. Either way, I would not recommend any duration longer than 3-4 weeks. The issue with increased dosage of longer duration is evinced hepato-toxic effect. This again is something you won't necessarily "feel" the effects of, but you'll certainly see them if the hepatic injury/cholestasis effects begin to propagate. The only way to effectively document effects is through blood work. This issue can/will significantly vary with each user due to a myriad of endogenous/exogenous factors. Taking effective support supplementation as a cycle adjunct is an absolute MUST. I don't care whether it's our Liver Juice or another product on the market. Having an effective means of prevention in place is the best possible treatment option in the end. If you guys are going to use our new Superdrone, I HIGHLY recommend using it with our Liver Juice support product.

3) All of the Superdrol anecdotal experiences that are posted across the boards are nothing more than that; they're NOT a definitive individual guideline for everyone to follow. The key point here to remember is that you should utilize the smallest possible dose that demonstrates a marked anabolic effect. In other words, start with a small dose and gradually adjust over a given time period to effect.

4) Being a medical profession myself, I can't emphasize the importance of safety enough, gentlemen. These are your bodies; you only get one, so I strongly advise you to take care of them. I've personally witnessed guys that have developed issues with these compounds (most recently H-drol) in the clinical setting. Most of them were either ignorant or uninformed of the potential dangers involved.

Knowledge is power, gentlemen. Be as well informed as you can before you get involved. Many of the veteran guys on this board would be more than happy to answer any questions that you might have.

You can utilize the many different compounds on the market fairly safely and effectively if certain prevention/safety guidelines are observed. More is not better, and as I said, having an effective means of prevention in place is the best possible treatment option in the end.

- John
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I gained 18lbs in 4weeks on Ax superdrol. I had zero sides. Does Primordial's LV really absorb 3x better than the pill form? Or is that just a bunch of BS?
 
It's not BS (esp. for 1-T, Tren, SA, etc), but methylated compounds already have extremely high bioavailability due their methylation, so I don't know how much the LV increases that, if any (PP can weigh in here). One advantage to having the superdrol in LV form is that you can accurately measure 2.5/5/7.5/10/12.5/15mg/etc of superdrol and dose accordingly and properly. Also, it is a steal at the price given that it has ~135 x 10mg doses in one bottle if I am not mistaken.

Edit: It could be stronger in LV form since (I think) the LV allows some of the compound to reach your bloodstream rapidly and possibly avoid first-pass hepatic metabolism. I could be wrong though, and if this happens, I don't know to what extent; just speculating. I'd start lower than normal on the LV dose and assess response to get a feel for it before increasing.
 
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