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Multi vitamins worth it?

R1187

R1187

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Trying to be a bit more conscientious about my money, and I think these might be the first to go.

I always took them "just because".

Anyone not take a multi and just eat food?

I've heard absorbtion is very poor with multis anyway, but I'm not sure if this is just bro science.
 
if you are getting your requirements through food then no not worth it, its just a supplement like everything else....
 
hvactech said:
if you are getting your requirements through food then no not worth it, its just a supplement like everything else....
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I understand where yo are coming from..but I disagree. It is rare that you eat everything you need from food, therefore you will most likely need a strong multi.
 
A quality multi is something that should definitely be around. I don't know anyone that has enough of a variety to take in what they need everyday. Plus for me Orange Triad helps a lot with my hands, which not only helps with lifting (as I can continue gripping barbells and dumbbells), but can be life or death when I'm out riding on my motorcycle.
 
A good multi is a must for me,non-negotiable,even when my diet is on point!Orange Triad is my go to multi!
 
whats special about "quality" its the same fricken chemical or vitamin theirs no such thing as quality its not a drug its a food type product
 
Multi, protein, creatine, fish oil = staples in my supplement regime. I'd look to cut anything else.
 
Everyone is different. I'm malnourished. Overweight {Very muscular}. Train three days a week, sometimes 6. Yet sustain strength levels where I have a 1475 RAW total. Maybe the multi would help but I don't come close to getting what most believe I should even eat. Maybe multi would help but I don't take them.
 
AE14 said:
I understand where yo are coming from..but I disagree. It is rare that you eat everything you need from food, therefore you will most likely need a strong multi.
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Each is their own.....
 
Aznmonk said:
whats special about "quality" its the same fricken chemical or vitamin theirs no such thing as quality its not a drug its a food type product
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There is a difference, if I recall correctly vitamins and minerals can be derived from different sources and some adsorb better then others. The pairing and amounts of vitamins is important also rather then trowing the kitchen sink in. Also something about mirrored isomers or something?
 
Aznmonk said:
whats special about "quality" its the same fricken chemical or vitamin theirs no such thing as quality its not a drug its a food type product
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Not sure "quality" is the correct term but most multivitamins contain cheap inactive forms that rely heavily on being metabolized to function. So if you want supra-physiological levels of your vitamins, for instance getting P5P and methylcobalamine over pyridoxine and cyanocobalamine is preferable.

But if you only want whats essential it wont be neccesary
 
I never have and never will spend money on a multi. Seems like a waste IMO. Eat a diet high in natural vitamins and minerals and you'll be fine.
 
A multivitamin is definitely a low priority. Most supplements can't simply be obtained via diet (e.g. ALCAR, BA, Agmatine) in appreciable quantities. However, a multivitamin is not only found readily in the food supply, but us Westerners usually crush our vitamin/mineral needs save for things like Vitamin E, Magnesium, and selenium
 
Multivitamins are extremely convenient (usually only 1 pill per day) and considering how deficient peoples diets can be they would seem like the logical choice to correct the deficiency.

Problem is they aren't too effective

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Ultimately, multivitamins are not the best way to relieve nutritional deficiencies. Instead I would 1) increase egg yolk, red meat, fruit, and veggie intake and 2) supplement with individual vitamins such as K2, potassium iodide, magnesium, copper, zinc, vitamin C, B-complex, etc..
 
JudoJosh said:
Multivitamins are extremely convenient (usually only 1 pill per day) and considering how deficient peoples diets can be they would seem like the logical choice to correct the deficiency.

Problem is they aren't too effective

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Ultimately, multivitamins are not the best way to relieve nutritional deficiencies. Instead I would 1) increase egg yolk, red meat, fruit, and veggie intake and 2) supplement with individual vitamins such as K2, potassium iodide, magnesium, copper, zinc, vitamin C, B-complex, etc..
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I agree with K2, D3, magnesium (unless you take alot of capped supplements), Zinc perhaps (diet depending) but b complex , arguably, is readily obtained through the diet.

A varied diet is the best way to cover your bases imo rather than rely on a multi. Some things, like a broad range of phytochemicals (and various forms on vitamins) are just not found in multis
 
Were just examples rather than suggestions but to respond to your statement Invalid Link Removed deficiency was observed in 12 percent of healthy persons and 33 percent of heart failure patients. Invalid Link Removed deficiency afflicts somewhere between 25 and 75 percent of the populationhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19631047Vitamin B6 deficiency was found in 38 percent of heart failure patientsA b-complex is fairly cheap (swansons) and toxicity risk is pretty low so my question is why not toss one in? Unless of course your diet is ample in veggies (peas, mushrooms, broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, potatoes, spinach, collard greens, avocado, sweet potatoes, brussels sprouts, cauliflower), fruit (bananas and oranges) and red meat, chicken eggs then your prolly covered. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S™II using Tapatalk 2
 
Jiigzz said:
A varied diet is the best way to cover your bases imo rather than rely on a multi. Some things, like a broad range of phytochemicals (and various forms on vitamins) are just not found in multis
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Ain't nobody got time for that!

I really envy you people that have the patience of cooking a varied diet to nail all the vitamins, specially while cutting.

Vitamin supplements are inferior in that department but they are also very time efficient :p
 
HokiePride said:
Everyone is different. I'm malnourished. Overweight {Very muscular}. Train three days a week, sometimes 6. Yet sustain strength levels where I have a 1475 RAW total. Maybe the multi would help but I don't come close to getting what most believe I should even eat. Maybe multi would help but I don't take them.
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This is def a solid source.
 
You buy cheap multivitamins, you get what you pay for.

Douglas labs athlete specific brand, klean athlete.
"Vitamins and minerals play a vital role for those of us who compete - from metabolizing fats and carbs, to providing fuel during training and races, to utilizing protein to restore muscle afterward.Containing a fruit and vegetable blend, Klean Multivitamin is specially formulated for the unique needs of athletes. Unlike many multivitamins that have too much magnesium and calcium, Klean gives your body the optimum balance of ingredients to stay healthy throughout your training. Bottom line? Optimal health and performance start here."

Or go for Douglas labs ultra preventative X multi, If you want the best.

If you consider yourself an athlete, you should def be using a multi.
If your a fat lazy weekend warrior, you probably will not want to be to serious about your nutrition and overall health.
 
nidhogg said:
Ain't nobody got time for that!

I really envy you people that have the patience of cooking a varied diet to nail all the vitamins, specially while cutting.
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its really not that hard..

For example:
• egg yolks for choline, folate, vitamin A, selenium, k2
• Dark chocolate for magnesium and zinc
• 1/ 4 pound of beef or lamb liver a week for copper, vitamin A, folate, choline, k2
• Fish, shellfish for selenium, manganese
• 1 tablespoon red palm oil for vitamin E
• Red meat for iron, selenium
• Drink milk or make bone broths for calcium
• Bananas, avocado, sweet potato, red potato, carrots, spinach, berries, tomatoes. asparagus for potassium, vitamin A, antioxidants and much more
• Go outside for vitamin D


Then if you want to supplement with vitamins you can easily add in vitamin D, K2, vitamin C, iodine, magnesium, zinc, a B-50 complex, pantothenic acid, potassium iodide and you should be pretty well covered without really that much effort
 
JudoJosh said:
its really not that hard..

For example:
• egg yolks for choline, folate, vitamin A, selenium, k2
• Dark chocolate for magnesium and zinc
• 1/ 4 pound of beef or lamb liver a week for copper, vitamin A, folate, choline, k2
• Fish, shellfish for selenium, manganese
• 1 tablespoon red palm oil for vitamin E
• Red meat for iron, selenium
• Drink milk or make bone broths for calcium
• Bananas, avocado, sweet potato, red potato, carrots, spinach, berries, tomatoes. asparagus for potassium, vitamin A, antioxidants and much more
• Go outside for vitamin D


Then if you want to supplement with vitamins you can easily add in vitamin D, K2, vitamin C, iodine, magnesium, zinc, a B-50 complex, pantothenic acid, potassium iodide and you should be pretty well covered without really that much effort
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Much rather swallow a few pills, thats way too involved bro. I have a job and two kids, i aint gots time for all that bone broths and red palm oil
 
Excuses

I work 12 hour days in an emergency room, am married with 2 kids (one is a 2 year old red head girl aka demon child) and am going to school. Its really not that hard to eat healthier but it is a conscious choice you have to make. Some rather roll the dice and risk it with their health but because of my family I rather not and I take the extra seconds to make my food rather than buying pre made food. To each his own I guess

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Not knocking what you do bro, just sayin its not for everyone. The multivitamin market is here to stay, they have a solid purpose in the supplement industry. Of course you can get all you need from food but its not possible for everyone.
 
jcesare said:
hey have a solid purpose in the supplement industry.
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Again, problem is they are ineffective
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42 percent of women who regularly used multivitamins had no difference in rates of cancer, heart attack, stroke, or mortality from those who did not take multivitamins in fact, the multivitamin users were 2 percent more likely to die!
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Multivitamin users had the same number of infections as nonusers

You might as well be taking sugar pills
 
JudoJosh said:
Again, problem is they are ineffective

You might as well be taking sugar pills
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Lol are you serious? Ineffective in what context? Vitamin supplements may not provide protection against said diseases, but that is because the protection comes from phytochems and not because vitamin supplements are not absorbed. It is definitely not like "taking sugar pills"

I, for one, consume multivitamin supplements to supply said vitamins for optimal metabolic function and not because i believe they provide cancer protection and whatnot. I am also pretty sure that without it i would not consume the RDI of all vitamins, mostly because i hate cooking and its just too inconvenient.
 
It will always be a debate to how much or how little they help. I prefer a well balanced diet. When I use Orange Triad I actually feel the befits for my joints.
 
JudoJosh said:
Were just examples rather than suggestions but to respond to your statement Invalid Link Removed deficiency was observed in 12 percent of healthy persons and 33 percent of heart failure patients. Invalid Link Removed deficiency afflicts somewhere between 25 and 75 percent of the populationhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19631047Vitamin B6 deficiency was found in 38 percent of heart failure patientsA b-complex is fairly cheap (swansons) and toxicity risk is pretty low so my question is why not toss one in? Unless of course your diet is ample in veggies (peas, mushrooms, broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, potatoes, spinach, collard greens, avocado, sweet potatoes, brussels sprouts, cauliflower), fruit (bananas and oranges) and red meat, chicken eggs then your prolly covered. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S™II using Tapatalk 2
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People are even more deficient than I thought/realised :D
 
nidhogg said:
Lol are you serious? Ineffective in what context? Vitamin supplements may not provide protection against said diseases, but that is because the protection comes from phytochems and not because vitamin supplements are not absorbed. It is definitely not like "taking sugar pills"

I, for one, consume multivitamin supplements to supply said vitamins for optimal metabolic function and not because i believe they provide cancer protection and whatnot. I am also pretty sure that without it i would not consume the RDI of all vitamins, mostly because i hate cooking and its just too inconvenient.
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Just curious, and am not bagging multi's but have you ever been tested for deficiencies while on a multi? I.e. in areas in which are both covered and not covered by the multi? Consuming them is one thing, absorbing them is another.

If you have and they are working to fill in the gaps then cool, thats what you want. Just never assume anything.
 
I've been taking Nature's Way Alive! which the ingredients come from whole foods. Comes out to ~$20 for a 180 count bottle that will last ~2 months. It's 3 horse pills but the ingredient profile is amazing and certainly worth a shot if you want to go for a more "natural" approach to getting your daily nutrient intake..
 
Jiigzz said:
Just curious, and am not bagging multi's but have you ever been tested for deficiencies while on a multi? I.e. in areas in which are both covered and not covered by the multi? Consuming them is one thing, absorbing them is another.

If you have and they are working to fill in the gaps then cool, thats what you want. Just never assume anything.
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I have not. There is just absolutely no reason to believe that multis consumed with food gets absorbed less than vitamins or minerals found in foods. I have atleast found zero evidence claiming so nor does it make sense in a biochemical POV. This claim fits right along with "organic vegetables" and other hippie crap
 
nidhogg said:
I have not. There is just absolutely no reason to believe that multis consumed with food gets absorbed less than vitamins or minerals found in foods. I have atleast found zero evidence claiming so nor does it make sense in a biochemical POV. This claim fits right along with "organic vegetables" and other hippie crap
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Yes, some vitamins absorption is enhanced when co-administered with food, but that same food may decrease absorption of other vitamins contained within the same multivitamin. Again, i'm not saying multi-vitamin supplementation is a bad thing, I like me some Orange Triad any day.

The one thing I don't like though is that certain vitamins interact with each other i.e. supplements that mix Iron and Calcium (luckily OT doesn't contain Iron) Invalid Link Removed

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nidhogg said:
I have not. There is just absolutely no reason to believe that multis consumed with food gets absorbed less than vitamins or minerals found in foods. I have atleast found zero evidence claiming so nor does it make sense in a biochemical POV. This claim fits right along with "organic vegetables" and other hippie crap
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There are tons of reasons to believe this. Multivitamins are an agglomeration of some 20-30+ compounds, all with different solubilities, compacted into a dense core with minimal added excipients. Unlike food, a large bolus of vitamins and minerals is rapidly released from the MV, and they compete for intestinal transporters and intra-enterocyte transport/export/metabolism, which further worsens the situation.

Note: Proper dissociation and exposure of microparticles to binding factors (i.e. b12-intrinsic factor) and the absorptive mucosa of the gut is kinetically limited and imprecise. There is good reason to believe that MVs have poor dissocation characteristics, and the data supports this (rather overwhelmingly).

There is good reason that pharmaceutical companies haven't really pursued the multivitamin market. Getting FDA approval would prove...difficult.
 
Shhh.. ain't nobody got time for all that pesky science mumbo jumbo.

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liftin4fun said:
It will always be a debate to how much or how little they help. I prefer a well balanced diet. When I use Orange Triad I actually feel the befits for my joints.
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It helps my joints too. Also, I feel less bloating/heart burn and my BMs are more regular (TMI?)

Multis are definitely worth it.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Note: Proper dissociation and exposure of microparticles to binding factors (i.e. b12-intrinsic factor) and the absorptive mucosa of the gut is kinetically limited and imprecise. There is good reason to believe that MVs have poor dissocation characteristics, and the data supports this (rather overwhelmingly).

There is good reason that pharmaceutical companies haven't really pursued the multivitamin market. Getting FDA approval would prove...difficult.
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You are basing this on the assumption that all vitamins are kinetically driven. Other then retinol and cobalamine, all other vitamins are perfectly capable of diffusing through the small intestinal membrane. Actually "a large bolus of vitamins" would be preferable over a small stream because you would like to exploit maximal absorption during the time food passes the small intestine.
Minerals are highly competitive but the same principal follows consuming food, with the exception that you consume a little every meal instead of consuming a large chunk.

There is nothing special with MVs, its the same stuff you are going to find in food. The fact that its very cost-efficient and convenient makes it a perfectly reasonable choice for someone who does not care enough for a varied diet.

And pharmaceutical companies do not pursue MVs because its not possible to patent the involved compounds. They may only patent formulas and synthesis pathways which its not worth the time nor the money.


You want to provide me that overwhelming data?
 
nidhogg said:
You want to provide me that overwhelming data?
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How about instead of asking for a negative to be proved, you provide some evidence that demonstrates the efficiency of a multivitamin?



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JudoJosh said:
How about instead of asking for a negative to be proved, you provide some evidence that demonstrates the efficiency of a multivitamin?



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Dont be a smartass. Evidence is provided to disprove general consensus. Not the other way around.
 
nidhogg said:
Dont be a smartass. Evidence is provided to disprove general consensus. Not the other way around.
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Nope. Evidence is the responsibility on the one making the positive claim, in this case that multivitamins are an efficient way to get your daily vitamims. Asking us to prove a negative, in this case that multivitamins are inefficient is like asking us to provide evidence that the easerbunny isn't the love child of Santa and Rudolph. Burden of proof falls on you buddy

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JudoJosh said:
. Asking us to prove a negative, in this case that multivitamins are inefficient is like asking us to provide evidence that the easerbunny isn't the love child of Santa and Rudolph. Burden of proof falls on you buddy


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Great logic. If the majority believed that the easterbunny was the love child of Santa and Rudolph, and you suddenly appeared and claimed the opposite, the burden of proof would fall on YOU. Just as i can guarantee that most people here consume MVs because they believe it provides them the daily requirement and someone stating the otherwise would have to prove their claim.
 
nidhogg said:
Great logic. If the majority believed that the easterbunny was the love child of Santa and Rudolph, and you suddenly appeared and claimed the opposite, the burden of proof would fall on YOU. Just as i can guarantee that most people here consume MVs because they believe it provides them the daily requirement and someone stating the otherwise would have to prove their claim.
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Just because the majority of people believe something doesn't make it true. A majority of doctors think Bacon and whole eggs (dietary fat) are bad for your health but as we know this is not true.

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But that fallacy aside, burden of proof still falls on you

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Multi's are simply an "insurance policy" in case you DON'T get enough vitamins from food, and as much as I eat it's still impossible to get enough vitamins. If your serious about bodybuilding, vitamins are a must and staple supplement. I previously purchased the expensive Gaspari and Orange-triad vits, but I read multiple studies basically saying even the cheaper Shop rite grocery store brands are about as good as the other
more expensive brands. Most of the ingredients are sourced from the exact same supplier, so the same ingredients in Gaspari vitamins are probably the same stuff in the Drugstore brand.

As it's been said before, the "normal" dietary vitamin requirement is based upon a "normal" person who probably does not heft 100lb dumbbells, so
I can't see a huge guy like Ronnie Coleman or P. Heath NOT taking a multivitamin to support all that mass. I would feel as though I am not getting the most out of my workouts and plan if I did not take a multi, and they are so cheap that NOT taking them as insurance is not wise, in my opinion.
 
nidhogg said:
Dont be a smartass. Evidence is provided to disprove general consensus. Not the other way around.
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General consensus where? On this board or in the real world? People in my daily contact have little belief that multi-vitamins work to correct deficiencies or to meet adequate RDA for all nutrients found within the capsule, so in that case your viewpoint goes against general consensus.
 
i used to take multi vit/min now i do things a little different.

i have b complex, coq10, vit c, multi mineral blend, magnesium, calcium, vit D.

just have to figure out how and when to dose what n makes it fit into ur schedule.

this is off topic but getting adequate sleep i think(i feel) is much much more crucial.
 
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