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monsterbox
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I really don't know my exact BF, but Id guess Im around 9-11% based of people that I know, that have been tested. The strange this is I feel like the seperation in my triceps isn't enough for my body fat percentage guess. Ill probably get a comp done soon.
I have tiny bit of fat around my lower sides but thats about it. Theres pics in the beginning of the thread.
monsterbox
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well, I was gaining weight and fat. Then I cut for winter break and dropped from 187-184.5..loosing fat and gaining a little bit of muscle/loosing some on my arms.
I just entered a bulk again, except with phera. I dropped down to 180-181 because I stopped the creatine mono when I began phera, and since phera doesn't work for me......that water is lost and not brought back by the phera, get what i'm sayin? As soon as I get back on creatine monohydrate I'm guessing it will shoot me back up to a bloated 185lbs.
You might be right about me not eating enough above maintenance, but regardless, I should otherwise be leaning out like a mofo, getting some insane pumps/vasularity, body heat, and powerfull workouts, even if I dont gain any weight.
People cut and eat way below maintenance with phera/SD and still have intense as sides/pumps/strength.
Let me just go out and say something. I've VERY sensative to drugs. 20mg of Epi blew me up. Creatine bloats me/makes me strong. 1 loratab phucks me up. A hit of weed will make me high as a kite. I normally have all the side effects in the book lol.
Well I've taken 50mg of "P-Plex" and haven't experienced a single side effect since the anxiety (related to l-dopa i believe). I dropped hawthorne berry a few days ago along and my BP still hasn't changed. 122/55 the other day. No oily skin, no acne, no itchy hair line, no androgenic sides at all. Only thing I notice is maybe increase in sex drive/hunger from trainer harder because I should be "on"
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Just to get caught up on the thread, I am not going to go back and make a hundred replies to everyone that has posted, so I will be glad to take further questions from this point.
That was a huge batch that was made. It was the last batch that was made at the time that people were thinking that that compound was going to be pulled. My point is if it was bad, you would see hundreds to thousands of bad reports instead of a couple. HOWEVER, the batch was tested at Proviant (PA's company) and the raws were tested at 100% before going into encapsulation. Then, after capsulation tested again for correct mg per cap.
We have had a situation like this before where people questioned batches even though we had them tested by both Proviant and RTP twice each. There is nothing more we can do to appease people than that. Our standard procedure is to test raws before they go into encapsulation and then again afterwards. To appease this issue, we are going to order a bottle from a retailer, have it sent to the testing facility and see if it tests the same as the other times its been tested thus far.
There are a ton of possible reasons that people may or may not respond to certain ph's, or respond better to them at some points in time that others. Use myself for example. Remember the original 1AD - never got a thing off it. Does that mean it was bad? Nope. M1,4ADD - and not by us, the original back in the day ones I used SNS's and DS's and never got the fluid retention that alot of people speak of, but best ph I have ever used for strength. P-Plex - never had BP issues, never had any sides off it, but good results. Moral of the story is that just because something reacts differently doesnt mean its bad.
That was a huge batch that was made. It was the last batch that was made at the time that people were thinking that that compound was going to be pulled. My point is if it was bad, you would see hundreds to thousands of bad reports instead of a couple. HOWEVER, the batch was tested at Proviant (PA's company) and the raws were tested at 100% before going into encapsulation. Then, after capsulation tested again for correct mg per cap.
We have had a situation like this before where people questioned batches even though we had them tested by both Proviant and RTP twice each. There is nothing more we can do to appease people than that. Our standard procedure is to test raws before they go into encapsulation and then again afterwards. To appease this issue, we are going to order a bottle from a retailer, have it sent to the testing facility and see if it tests the same as the other times its been tested thus far.
There are a ton of possible reasons that people may or may not respond to certain ph's, or respond better to them at some points in time that others. Use myself for example. Remember the original 1AD - never got a thing off it. Does that mean it was bad? Nope. M1,4ADD - and not by us, the original back in the day ones I used SNS's and DS's and never got the fluid retention that alot of people speak of, but best ph I have ever used for strength. P-Plex - never had BP issues, never had any sides off it, but good results. Moral of the story is that just because something reacts differently doesnt mean its bad.
monsterbox
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Well then,
Thank you VERY much for the clarification. This is the answer I've been waiting for. Im probably just a piss poor responder to 2-ene itself. I'm going to give it a few more days at a higher dosage and then try M-Drol.
BTW is there any relation between 3AD and Phera..they are both pheramone based or something, but I threw out 3AD because It did absolutely nothing but kill my sex drive.
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monsterbox
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hahaha what a cluster f*ck of bullsh*t this log has become..
Anyhow,
Do you guys think a PCT/time off is necessary before trying out M-Drol or just bridge right into it?
Anyhow,
Do you guys think a PCT/time off is necessary before trying out M-Drol or just bridge right into it?
Silver3CSRT8
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I would personally say bridge into it if your Phera sides are low and you don't have shutdown. I would hate for you to do a Mini PCT + an additional 4+ weeks off before running another cycle.
nickrut
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alot of people run p-plex directly into Sdrol. As long as your supports are in place, you should be okay doing that.
What you gonna dose Sdrol like?
mixedup
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Since you didnt' have any sides etc i would keep up your supporting supps and go right into m-drol when do yo plan on having it?
Silver3CSRT8
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Have you checked out Dymethazine? It is pretty new, but might be a great compound for you.
monsterbox
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I ordered it this morning ground shipping from Discount Anabolics.com...how quick are they? I don't know...since phera isn't working i'm hoping it hasn't shut me down in disguise. How can I asses shutdown on an Androgenic compound? My nuts seem the same size I guess, sex drive through the roof, no lethargy..but then again test will do that too even if you are shutdown.
And for the people that do no believe I can't eat alot..
Tonight's Meal Post-Workout
2 Slices of Pork Tenderloin
2 Servings of Mash Potatoes
1 Bowl of Chili
2 Hamburger Patties
1 Turkey, Ham, Tuna Sandwich on Wheat Bread Slices
1 Banana
1 Glass of Chocolate Milk
If anyone has a Moe's Southwest Grill Chain/something Like Quedoba. I normally order two homewreckers.
Yes, I've read about it. There are no finished logs out and I don't trust anything new for a good while. 3ad had a bunch of logs claiming tons of weight gains....turned out to be pure sh*t for me. I'm going to give the ole M-drol a shot...we can call it Monster's Monster-Drol. I am terribly afraid of heavy shutdown, but I will have Toremifene, Nolvadex, Reversitol, Ejaculoid, Tribulus, and Maca Powder on hand.
Finally, something to clean up this terrible, argumentative, beat-around-the-bush, log
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monsterbox
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TimberLakers
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Bridge... You've only been on 2 weeks and change.
do a 18 to 21 day M-Drol... start at 10 - evaluate 20 around day 7 to 10.
monsterbox
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my main reason for using PP was the wetness to support my joints.
Epi at 40mg wrecked them and I was using 2 pill/day of Super Cissus.
I now use bulk cissus 6gram/day, Glucosamine, 10g Fishoil. I feel decent right now, is there anything else I can do to keep them lubricated on Superdrol? This is my only reason for not running already.
How do you compare super/epi in terms of dryness/joints.
UnrealMachine
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If you are set on bridging into SD just go straight into it... people bridge from Phera to SD all the time.
Man I hope you like Superdrol the way I do. I can't even recall any cases of people not responding to legit SD... u should be goooood...
Man I hope you like Superdrol the way I do. I can't even recall any cases of people not responding to legit SD... u should be goooood...
TimberLakers
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Fish oil and super is the right direction. I would also use some Tiger Linment pre-WO.. that is actually my best weapon against dry joints. Get's the blood flow rocking in the shoulders / elbows (wherever you apply it)...
I haven't heard complaints from myself or others about terribly dry joints on SD... Epi is a bit more severe in this regard being a seroidal AI... by definition that is going to dry you out considerably. SD has some AI properties, but its classification is a progesterone. I actually plan to run a low dose AI (ATD) while on super the next time around.
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The relations seems to be more in terms of structure than actual effects.
CompEdgeLabs
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The most common bridge between the two is:
Week 1: P-Plex 20 to 30 mg
Week 2: P-Plex 30 mg
Week 3: P-Plex 30 mg; M-Drol 10 mg
Week 4: P-Plex 30 mg; M-Drol 10 mg
Week 5: M-Drol 20 mg
Or alternatively, if you go off the P-Plex early, you may can dose the M-Drol a little higher.
I got so lost in the clutter I lost how long you'd actually been on P-Plex
guapitomark
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I take Move Free Advanced Triple Strength manufactured by Schiff- you preload 4 caps/day for 2 weeks, then take 2 caps/day.
I also take 2caps/day of Arthenol from HealthLogics.
I take 10g fish oil/day too.
I run 7 miles, twice a week and no knee pain. The only time I experience a little knee pain is when I go heavy on the squats.
monsterbox
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i have pain because I have rough cartlidge and a bone defect (hole) in my right elbow...the pain is always there, its just a matter of whether the compound causes it to swell to disability or not.
Do i really need to bridge? Can I just drop phera and start super...I mean super kicks in quick and phera is worthless to me right now.
Do i really need to bridge? Can I just drop phera and start super...I mean super kicks in quick and phera is worthless to me right now.
pistonpump
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well if the phera is legit and dosing is legit but effects just arent showin up then you wouldnt want to stop the phera right away. Id run it for at least 4 days with the superdrol.
mj34
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Just curious I have been cycling and been on TRT for around 4 years now and just recently ordered some PP and Havoc. I finsihed a long bulker which I then tapered back into TRT. I did however; finish the last 6 weeks with Dbol and I have been off for 4 weeks now. My question is this, I have no exp with using designers just with AAS and what I wanted to know is that I plan on running one of the two while on TRT dose, however; because they are methalyted I wanted to know, should I take the same time off from orals like Dbol, say six weeks and then start the pp? Thanks and sorry if I hijacked your thread I just had a simple question to ask.
Regards, MJ34
pistonpump
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just to butt in... Mj you did 6 weeks of dbol with 4 weeks off i think its ok to go on another 4 weeks at moderate doses. As long as you arent taking abusive doses and are still taking some time to rest your liver you should be good to go back on another methyl imo
repmks
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use desginers like any other methyl AAS. dbol is methylated too....you know.
also i wouldnt go 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and on again for a long time with orals. just do 2 oral cycles a year if that. especially since you have the luxurary of pinning.
mj34
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Yeah, I normally dont run much orals I guess I'm just curious or maybe a lttle impatient,lol to see what and how these DS hold up to the AAS. Thanks, yeah even on Dbol I only went up to 30 I dont need more than that even 4 years later because like I said the only orals that I do like are anavar, proviron and winny. Maybe it was a misprint on Patrick Arnolds behalf but he mentioned that Phera could hold its own against the big boys and its not so toxic. Thanks I appreciate the help in this world of DS.
mj34
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No, I'm not even a big fan of orals and thanks for the heads up but I'm very aware of what I put in my body and I know Dbol is a 17aa, I did extensive research before I even went on TRT as I had no desire to use AAS a while back it just happened that I had low t-levels and well it went from there. I use long estered injects as the base of my cycles and I'm on Deca and Test year round as part of a HRT protocol. Like I mentioned in the above post Anavar is bar far the best oral IMHO, strength gains are better than Dbol when used at doses of 80mgs and what you gain you keep. And yes, you are correct no more than 2-3 orals cycles per year. I use respective moderate doses and dont go overboard on them anyways. See, I wont even touch SD because of the feedback that I have gotten from it, it far surpasses Dbol in terms of toxcicity and I was just wondering how rough PP was on the body, havoc would be similar to Var in toxcicty, perhaps? Thanks for the the feedback.
Moster, I'm sorry for posting my own questions and I will leave it at this.
Respect,
MJ34
nickrut
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Yeah...won't hurt anything. Especially since you've only been on phera for ~2 weeks. People just bridge to cut down on the time on methyls and so that you give a chance for the SD to kick in.
Since you feel like the phera is doing ~0, I'd drop it and look at something like 10/20/20 for the mdrol.
TimberLakers
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I would not advise dropping PP until you have SD in hand...
monsterbox
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Yes, I will not come off PP until I have taken SD...just wondering if I should actually bridge them or not.
This phera may be working SLIGHTLY, that is why Im afraid of quitting it while waiting for SD to kick in...
I do feel a very mild fullness feeling today, but its probably from all the carbs I loaded up on last night.
mixedup
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Like Piston said you can probablly get by on a mini bride say 4 days s-drol will of started to kick by then
pistonpump
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midget wife? :think::lol:
monsterbox
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mixedup
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oops mini bridge
mj34
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If you are not getting results with the DS bump it up anotch and run a 10-12 week cycle of long estered Test (Test E/Cyp) at 500mgs and you will put on some solid weight and with proper PCT you should be able to keep a large percentage of those gains.
monsterbox
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now THAT sounds like some fun.
However, I think it would be terrible for me to pop my Pins cherry right now...I want to save it for when I really NEED it. Like 2-3 years down the road when my diet/training may have slipped up. Right now I'm fine with short, safe, sane, DS bursts. Dont tempt me, Id love to run an Anadrol Kickstarted/Test E cycle!
UnrealMachine
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A long test cycle is safer/saner than short oral bursts though.
mj34
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Ok, I respect that. Yeah, plus if you are younger than 21 I would realy wait because of all of the natty test that u already have bro. You may have better luck with Drol than I did, I would recommend Dbol first but either or would be sufficient. Good luck and I'm sorry to hear about your bad run with p-plex. I have onl;y used AAS for the past 4 years so I'm wondering what to expect from the DS but I have some p-plex and havoc and will give it a shot. Good luck man!
monsterbox
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well Ill tell you right now, Havoc was absolutely, positively, no joke for me bro. This is why I'm positive i'm a non-responder to phera.
My first run, I weighed 160lbs 6%bf and ran 10,10,10,20,20,20/20/20/30/
Day 4 was the most rediculous pump of my entire life at the point...by the 2nd week I was absolutely insane in the gym. Pumps were so inhumane! I was extremely red, looked like a severe sunburn and I literally was exploding. I remember veinage like never before. I gained at least 12 solid pounds of that cycle and about 50lbs on my bench press. I started off repping 175 (too early I know) but finished easily repping 215.
Theres no doubt in my mind that the Epithio compounds WORK.
The second time around I ran it 30/30/40 and put on an EASY 5lbs. The joint dryness preventing me from working out hard. I didn't even set any PR's and still gained 5 noticeable lbs along with stretch marks. I kept ALL of it in PCT, without even working out for the first 2 week (tending to the elbow).
Definitely give havoc a shot. If you can handle the dryness, jump to 40mg ASAP.
Can't wait for the drol baby!
mj34
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Sounds good. Yeah, the havoc/epi seems very similiar to Winstrol so it ought to be good and with the results that u and so many others have posted its really hard to dispute this. Being an AAS user for quite a while now its hard for me to not try them when even friends who use AAS are making decent to pretty good gains from Phera, SD, and Havoc. Its kind of weird that you didnt respond to Phera. Either could be a bad batch or the fact that everyone responds differently to compounds and what may work for one, may be garbage for another. Anavar is a great example, I love Anavar for the strength gains that it produces and in my exp I have recieved better strength not size gains from Var over Dbol. The quality of gains are lean and not much, however; they are really easy to keep and another thing that I noticed was after I stopped the Var I still continued to make great strength gains even a while after. Others I have talked with havent recieved these benefits like I have so many times. The biggest downfall with Var however; is it's cost. For me to run a decent cycle, just the Var nothing else it would cost me roughly 360.00 bec the doses I run are around 75-80mgsED. Havoc sounds like the strength gains are kind of similiar to Anavar and just like with Anavar and Havoc both it takes up to a couple of weeks to get going great with it. A good run with Anavar for me is about 10-12 weeks, its a relatively safe drug but can be somewhat harsh on lipids. Well, I wish you the best of luck and just be patient with the AAS cycle as times goes by relatively quick and it seems like your making decent gains outside of the phera, so before you know it you will be doing cycles of injects and oral AAS, just keep the orals to a minimum and primarily use them to kickstart or end a cycle, they both work great like this. I do respect your decision to wait till you get a bit older before plunging into AAS. Just do lots of research so you know exactly what you are putting in your body and just ask a lot of questions if you are unsure about it. Remember the only stupid question, is the one you didnt ask. Good luck and I hope you reach your goals.
Respect,
MJ34
repmks
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SD gave more sides than PP. the gains were leaner on SD but i gained noticeably more strength on PP.
Nothing safe about short ds bursts. a low dose test cycle is much safer. something like 250mg/wk for 15 weeks is a perfect place to start.
agreed.
mj34
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Good to hear about the Phera decided to run it during TRT. Thanks
mj34
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Oh, so true! That is why I keep orals to a minimum
mj34
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I find myself reviewing this post over and over!
mj34
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From my understanding isnt SD even harsher than Anadrol?
monsterbox
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Harland
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me too
UnrealMachine
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Anadrol is usually associated with greater water retention than SD though, that's a lot of the "mass."
Toxicity between the two is difficult to compare. I've heard of Anadrol being run for 10 weeks. I don't think you should do that with Superdrol. Some people say Anadrol is toxic just because it makes them feel bloated, lethargic, and never hungry. But a lot of people get those same things on SD clones too.