pistonpump
Banned
right. do it with as much people who have the same batch with no results as well. bring back up lol
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repmks
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everyone who got bunk call cel. demand refund or another batch of p-plex. try to get the lab report also. as for your hpta and liver. sides are usually proportionate to gains. so no gain probably no sides.wont even need pct. are you noticing major shrinkage?
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
My results on Pplex were weak but definitely there. When i last ran it on a recomp i was up a few pounds in the first few days, and by day 4 or so my muscles started feeling harder and more pumped. You should always get that hard, more pumped feeling from steroids that work.
monsterbox
Well-known member
No shrinkage...and I had some on havoc both time.
No dehydration or thirst.
My muscles are always hard, but nothing new...like no cramps like hardness or anything.
Feels like sugar
No dehydration or thirst.
My muscles are always hard, but nothing new...like no cramps like hardness or anything.
Feels like sugar
mixedup
Well-known member
the only other thing is that you could just be a non responder to plex. i mean it can happen. unreal gained like 20lbs on s-drol but epi and plex etc did nothing for him. You gained 30lbs on havoc so some people's body respond differently. you might have to chalk it up to non responder
lowboy
New member
I don't blame anyone for being upset after putting out the money on a product that fails them but do you really think a company such as CEL would sell a bunk product? They test all of there products now before putting them out so I don't see how this could happen. I have the same batch # stockpiled for someday when I get to that point so I hope this all gets figured out as well.
JKurz802
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monsterbox
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um...they released a batch with 20mgs accidentally instead of 15mg as advertised. Im not saying they aren't a quality company I'm just saying its entirely possible that it could be a batch. Its one of the newest new 10mg batches out.
If i'm not mistaken, they once had a bad m-drol.
JKurz802
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monsterbox
Well-known member
go to the CEL website, go to the Contact Us and write to them about this. Give batch number and a link to this page.
Thats what I just did....ask for lab results etc.
Thats what I just did....ask for lab results etc.
monsterbox
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:zx11pissed:
mixedup
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monsterbox
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so should I just go ahead and stop using it now? Its been 14 days and its not doing jack sh*t.
I hope its not like 5mg per cap and its shut me down without any benefits. Should I PCT with something?
I hope its not like 5mg per cap and its shut me down without any benefits. Should I PCT with something?
mooch2321
Well-known member
its a regional product called magnadrol, you will find it down here in texas and thats about it i think...from bosc industries...each pill contains
10mgs-pplex
30mgs-prostanzonal
mooch2321
Well-known member
i would keep running it...cel reps would probably claim that you stopped taking it after 14 days and thats why you didnt make any gains...keep it up...keep your log going...
monsterbox
Well-known member
Day 14
The problem is I'm kind of in a tight squeeze for hormonal time. I want to get a cycle done at least by middle of febuary. I have spring break middle of march, and I want to have the PCT done and be fully recovered by then.
I just don't want to waste my natural test levels on P-Plex thats not working. I mean are results/sides directly related to suppression? Meaning will I need to PCT after 28 days are up and I have NO results? I'm not seeing this going anywhere and Id rather jump into another brand and/or Superdrol.
BTW: Today is day 14
Chest - no PR's, actually felt worn down and tired, no energy or lessened recovery time. I feel worn down and verge of overtrained. I've been pushing as If i'm on Gear, but I'm running out of steam because the lack of gear.
The problem is I'm kind of in a tight squeeze for hormonal time. I want to get a cycle done at least by middle of febuary. I have spring break middle of march, and I want to have the PCT done and be fully recovered by then.
I just don't want to waste my natural test levels on P-Plex thats not working. I mean are results/sides directly related to suppression? Meaning will I need to PCT after 28 days are up and I have NO results? I'm not seeing this going anywhere and Id rather jump into another brand and/or Superdrol.
BTW: Today is day 14
Chest - no PR's, actually felt worn down and tired, no energy or lessened recovery time. I feel worn down and verge of overtrained. I've been pushing as If i'm on Gear, but I'm running out of steam because the lack of gear.
monsterbox
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now someone's going to say your not eating enough. :laughing:
I'm experiencing the same thing...I upped my cals and protein along with my workouts. My body can't make gains because the gear isn't working and so I'm just tearing down faster.
I'm now positive its either one of two things:
1. Non-Responding
2. Bunk Sh*t/WAY Underdosed
I'm really thinking about ordering some original phera just to be 100% sure about this...I really don't want to wait 2 months for lab testing/etc to get compensated.
TimberLakers
Well-known member
I think you... and that 160 pound kid should just relax and perhaps eat more.
This thread is turning into a girls locker room.
No offense of course.
TimberLakers
Well-known member
I think you should probably check yourself before saying its whack or underdosed... CEL are good people - and they have their sh*t tested at one of the best labs around - and have always posted results. They are even working on a site to get your lab results on a batch per batch basis. Not many other companies do that.
Furthermore, if you were suck a great respondant to Epi / Havoc... why didn't you just run that again instead of going with P-Plex? This isn't a dessert bar - why do you think you need to try everything out there?
Furthermore, if you were suck a great respondant to Epi / Havoc... why didn't you just run that again instead of going with P-Plex? This isn't a dessert bar - why do you think you need to try everything out there?
monsterbox
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First of all I didn't claim it was wacked/underdosed. I just said it COULD be one of two things. Maybe I just don't respond to this stuff. I have arthritis in my elbow. Havoc is too dry. Phera is wet and supports joints..If I eat any f*cking more I'm going to have a six pound gut hanging from me. Id rather wait to hear what CEL says/try another bottle then pay $$$ for a blood test.
mooch2321
Well-known member
first off...the only reason cell is resorting to such lengths is because they have had so many questionable batches....a company with a solid record would not have to do this...thats why no one else is doing this...not because their such a respectable company...any company that actually makes otc oral is working in a grey market....thats like saying you really trust your crack dealer...hes respectable...lol
mw1
Sponsor
It sounds to me from some of your posts that you are exp. some lethargy which can be common w/ Sd or PP. And you complained that you did not hit any PRs today,; i hope you dont think you SHOULD pass PRs on every cycle. I only hit 1 PR on my PP /Estane cycle but it was still one of the best I've had ...w/ very minimal sides..
I have not gotten a PM from you about this but If i did i would have gotten you the lab results . I only come around here maybe twice a week and i would have been glad to help u w/ that if you would have contacted me.
That batch was one of the last 2 and was tested pre and post capsulation.
TimberLakers
Well-known member
I was referring to eating more to the other guy...
I would advise to bridge into epi since it worked so well for you. Add in some fish oil and cissus for joint support.
If youre a non-responder, no need to beat on your liver for another couple weeks... Just don't blame the compound when CEL is more than happy to provide test results for you. If the batch is whack, then feel free to bash and b*tch.
guapitomark
Member
Man, that sucks! Too bad it isn't working out for you.
My Hdrol cycle was so - so. I bumped up the dose to 100mg/day and that seemed to be better. Have you tried bumping the dose up?
I'd be frustrated too. I can't believe some people on here are calling this "a girl's locker room - wtf?" Don't forums allow feedback and free expression...geez!
TimberLakers
Well-known member
Obvious that you aren't a huge fan of oral designers, which is cool... However, there are plenty of people that do use them, and having a company produce "generics" at a low cost is OK by me. Just because you don't agree with their industry at large doesn't mean they don't have a right to operate in it and make some money. You sound like a bible thumper hating on Budweiser or something... I know you are a bit crass and arguementative - so I'm just going to leave it at that...
monsterbox
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I'm telling you, its no working. I'm not tired at all throughout the day..I know what lethargy feels like from Epi. I experienced lethargy at 30mg on Epi. I have NO lethargy, No pumps, No water retention, No shrinkage.
So now I'm thinking is it really going to make any difference to continue another week or bump up the dosage? Maybe I should try 60mg/day. Seems like I should at least have 1 definite sign to tell me its working. I ran epi at 20mg/day and noticed the most insane pumps of my entire life by day 5 each time.
If the batch was tested then I'm surely a non-responder to the fullest extent.
I did not blame or bash CEL, I simply suggested that there COULD BE a possiblity of a bad batch. This is why QUESTIONED about it...it didn't make any absurd claims. And I always use cissus, glucos, msm, chondrot, fish oil. Doesn't do too much for 40mg havoc.
I've simply been saying the sh*t isn't doing anything for me to all the people saying eat more, relax more, and wait more.:happysad:
Now what do you guys think I should do...
1. buy another brand like Iforce pheraflex and keep going on it?
2. keep going on what I have now? UP the dosage to 50-60mg.
3. try something new like M-drol/Methyldrol
4. PCT for 2 weeks and then try something new?
johnny411
Member
everyone that had that same # on the bottom of the bottle all said the same thing. you gotta admit thats enough reason to cause some concern to the client's. i dont want people to think CEL's trying to do them, i want them to see what kind of company CEL is, one that aint gonna leave ya hangin
TimberLakers
Well-known member
If you're a Phera non-responder... don't you think it sounds stupid to run a different brand or UP your dosage??? Silly man...
Bridge to something that works for you and call it a day.
Bridge to something that works for you and call it a day.
UnrealMachine
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I wouldn't conclude being a nonresponder after trying 1 clone. I didn't respond to M-Drol but respond wonderfully to Superdrol... what's that say... If i didn't question the validity of the clone, i would have never found out that real Superdrol works so goddamn good for me.
Monsterbox my advice to you is this: up the dose, keep running it, order another clone and bridge into that asap, keep the doses high. If you still notice nothing then just can everything. Assess shutdown and do a truncated PCT.
I know you want to have all the cycling done before spring break but who cares... You can get through spring break without drinking. I get through parties all the time without drinking. Next time you're at a party, try bringing a protein shake in a mixer bottle with some BCAAs and stuff... get high, sip that, find a safe spot for it. Finish that, drink water.
Drinking destroys my gains utterly, the next day my lifting always sucks, it makes me SO dehydrated, my veins shrink and i look weak and flabby.
So, so what if you have to push your next "real" cycle back because this one got F'd up, you can be on cycle for spring break, just get over the peer pressure of people wanting you to drink. Of all the drugs I've tried I think alcohol is the worst by a long shot. I can't emphasize enough how much I feel it destroys my gains. To me a night of drinking is about -2 days, I.E. it will take about 2 days of proper training/eating to get back to where I was at. A night of smoking weed usually guarantees a caloric excess, just try to aim it at the right foods and don't eat too late at night.
Monsterbox my advice to you is this: up the dose, keep running it, order another clone and bridge into that asap, keep the doses high. If you still notice nothing then just can everything. Assess shutdown and do a truncated PCT.
I know you want to have all the cycling done before spring break but who cares... You can get through spring break without drinking. I get through parties all the time without drinking. Next time you're at a party, try bringing a protein shake in a mixer bottle with some BCAAs and stuff... get high, sip that, find a safe spot for it. Finish that, drink water.
Drinking destroys my gains utterly, the next day my lifting always sucks, it makes me SO dehydrated, my veins shrink and i look weak and flabby.
So, so what if you have to push your next "real" cycle back because this one got F'd up, you can be on cycle for spring break, just get over the peer pressure of people wanting you to drink. Of all the drugs I've tried I think alcohol is the worst by a long shot. I can't emphasize enough how much I feel it destroys my gains. To me a night of drinking is about -2 days, I.E. it will take about 2 days of proper training/eating to get back to where I was at. A night of smoking weed usually guarantees a caloric excess, just try to aim it at the right foods and don't eat too late at night.
monsterbox
Well-known member
I completely hear you about drinking...its not that.
I'm going out of town for spring break for a family reunion and I won't have time to work out, and I dont want to worry about being lethargic/shutdown and with possibility of gyno/things like that. Bringing nolva on the plane ETC.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
i would totally just be on cycle and take some pills and cycle support on the plane, all legal "supplements" but that's just me.
But don't stress it yet, one thing at a time.
But don't stress it yet, one thing at a time.
monsterbox
Well-known member
well heres the deal then
Order some I-Force Phera-Flex which was tested by PA and it 15mg/cap for 24 bucks or buy some I-Force Superdrol Clone?
nickrut
Active member
If you aren't afraid of superdrol and want a shorter cycle, i'd get the methadrol. Can go for like 3 weeks and see 10-15 lbs...
pistonpump
Banned
post up your diet i seriously bet you arent eating enough. And dont try to make sh1t up to prove me wrong.
If i was in your shoes, honestly i would have bumped the dose up a few days ago. Do that and if you dont notice anything then get on some superdrol compound asap as it works fairly quick.
im leaving the girls locker room now...... :ntome:
If i was in your shoes, honestly i would have bumped the dose up a few days ago. Do that and if you dont notice anything then get on some superdrol compound asap as it works fairly quick.
im leaving the girls locker room now...... :ntome:
repmks
Member
i liked phera way more than super but,..... your in situation is weird. i def got more sides on super. i just feel like **** in general on super.
pistonpump
Banned
same here. last time i ran super just on workout days at 10mg while on a test cycle and didnt feel like sh1t
monsterbox
Well-known member
My diet isnt always the same but heres an average day...
9:00am - Meal 1
4-5 eggs
toast
weight gainer shake w/ 2% milk (900 cals)
11:00am - Meal 2
banana, protein bar/nuts or small snack
1:00pm - Always Gigantic Lunch
4 hamburger patties, 2 servings of rice, kidney beans, collard greens, mashed potatoes, slice of meatloaf
3:00pm - Pre-Workout - 2 bananas, weight gainer shake (900 cals)
5:00pm - Post-Workout - Gigantic Never Ending Meal
4-5 hamburger patties, 2 serving of rice, 2 chicken breats and leg, 3 peices of pizza, bowl of chilli, salad, bowl of cereal, glass of milk
9:00pm - Weight Gainer Shake (900 cals) before bed.
I really dont think I need to sit here and count to decide if this is why phera is working or not...if i'm not eating enough then I should be dropping BF like a motherf*cker.
rob561
Member
thats ALOT of food in the never ending meal!!:dump:
mixedup
Well-known member
Actually with that amount of calories you should be gaining regardless of Phera Because your diet does look ON. I'm really going to have to go with your body hit a set point that is going to take awhile to get through as alot of people said 30lbs in the last year is alot. your body may just not be ready to put on more weight right now. I know it sucks but look at this your goal was around 200lbs right that would be 50lbs in less than 2 years. If everybody could hit 50lbs in less we'd all be pros if you hit 200lbs at 5ft 8 and 10% bf you could easily cut to 5% and step on stage at 190lbs and 5% that's national level. you got to put it into perpspective
pistonpump
Banned
i gotta throw up the fckkn :bsflag:
monsterbox
Well-known member
Its absolutely not B.S...I can really and truly eat that much. The hamburger patties are small like mcdonald size patties that my dining hall provides. I live on a college campus with all you can eat dining halls.
You can say whatever the f*ck you want...I gained over 30lbs this year of lBM and i'm probably still under 10%, and not with long 12 weeks test/deca cycles, explain to me how that would be possible without this much food.:nono:
I dont ingest that much EVERY day, more like on workout days only as you can see the never ending meal is AFTER a workout, but that is my goal and I eat that much a few times out of the week.
I haven't quite been able to get up to that this semester but before my cut I was definitely eating that much almost every day, minus a weight gainer shake here or there.
I dont understand why some people can't understand that its NOT diet thats the problem.
And yes I sh*t 2+ times per day.
If you dont want to help me figure out if my phera is bunk then please leave.
monsterbox
Well-known member
Day 15
Morning Weight: 181
Took 30mg this morning and 20mg this afternoon.
Ordered some M-Drol.
1st - bumping up dosage to 50mg for 2-3 days
2nd - if nothing I'm bridging into m-drol for 2 weeks, maybe 3.
I will up the dosage of Glucosamine/Cissus/Fish-oil if I bridge.
Morning Weight: 181
Took 30mg this morning and 20mg this afternoon.
Ordered some M-Drol.
1st - bumping up dosage to 50mg for 2-3 days
2nd - if nothing I'm bridging into m-drol for 2 weeks, maybe 3.
I will up the dosage of Glucosamine/Cissus/Fish-oil if I bridge.
crowpass
Active member
cycles can do that to you. i dont have the steroid experience you have, but that is a side effect ya know. now for your current cycle, send it back along with the other guys and bug the crap out of the company who sold you BUNK gear.
mixedup
Well-known member
Monster I have said in the past that it very well could be bunk and I believe you on the diet but thing is I believe you have lost weight since starting correct? Your diet looks well above maintenance? Even without PHERA or BUNK PHERA if your 500above maintenance a day you should gain approx 1lb per week. So MAYBE since your not gaining your Maintenance is ALOT higher than you think?? I know Russianstar is under 6% bf and his Maintenance is something like 5500 cal a day. I'm trying to help you figure out ALLLL the possibilities. I know you want to pin it on the PHERA but like alot of us have said you may have to come to grips with the fact you hit a sticking point that is going to take TIME to break no matter what you are on